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topic 7846

PVD coatings: color control

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A discussion started in 2001 but continuing through 2019

2001

Q. I would like to know a PVD process for depositing coatings in different colors (red, blue...). Which is the best PVD process to make it? Which materials could provide the different colors?

Charo Fernandez
- Valladolid, Spain


2001

A. Gold and brass colors are usually formed from zirconium nitride with small admixture of carbon. Chromium nitride yields silver. I don't know of any commercial work in red and blue, but would assume one can get blue by depositing titanium oxide. Erbium oxide yields a pinkish gray. The most common deposition process is by cathodic arc. Coatings are very thin -- around 200 nm.

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Jim Treglio
PVD Consultant - San Diego, California


2001

A. I've some PVD plated steel samples that are in blue, black, grey and bronze colours, but I'm not sure the composition of the layer. Some French and Taiwanese platers can achieve those colours.

I've also read on the web that purplish red can be achieved by plating TiAlCN. You can surf the web for details. The plating is applied on tooling for wear resistance and high temp properties.

WY Wong
- Hong Kong


2004

A. Silicon nitride is bright blue. Also oxides can be deposited (or metals such as niobium can be anodized) that give a red or blue appearance. You just have to ensure the oxide thickness is uniform to give a homogeneous colour.

Best regards,

Mark Jarratt
PVD - Worcester, UK


June 3, 2008

A. We can get violet to red colors in TiCN by varying the Methane to Nitrogen gas ratio. Ratios are preferable like Methane:Nitrogen = 1:5 Red-ish yellow, like 1:4, 1:3, 1: 2, 1:1(gray color).

YV Sambasiva Rao
- Chennai, India



PVD in Tungsten Rings - How to get the right gold color

November 29, 2015

Q. Hi dears. I've been importing tungsten rings from China for a year. I know that in China they make a kind of PVD; the color is good but the plating is a kind of "flash", and fades within 1 year. I'm trying to make the PVD with many companies here in Brazil, but they are not finding a good color for jewelry (gold color). Although they are international companies, they specialize in tools, car parts, etc., so, its been very difficult to get the exact color. How can I get this color? Is there someone who has a kind of % of TiN or other elements to get this color? Someone can help me? Thank you so much.

ANDRE L [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- SAO PAULO, BRAZIL


November 30, 2015

A. Andre,
As you might have already figured out, there are companies that specialize in functional PVD coatings and those that specialize in decorative PVD coatings. Decorative PVD coatings are very commonly deposited on faucets and door hardware. As gold PVD is pretty common in the faucet business, replacing gold plating, look for a company in Brazil that makes high end faucets. They either do the PVD coating themselves, or can lead you to their PVD coating supplier.

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Jim Treglio
PVD Consultant - San Diego, California



December 28, 2016

Q. This was also my question and I could not find any answer. I have read on the web that coated layer color depends on some factors such as target material, substrate material, layer thickness and .... I am interested in knowing about controlling these factors to make different colors. Is there any resource which provides details on how these factors can be controlled to make different colors?

Sara Qazvini
- Tehran, Iran


January 4, 2017

A. PVD color depends primarily on the target material and the reactive gas mix. For example, you get yellow gold with a titanium target and nitrogen gas. Adding methane or acetylene darkens the finish, going to reddish gold to gray to black. There is no general recipe, just recipes that work for a specific PVD system design.

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Jim Treglio
PVD Consultant - San Diego, California



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July 20, 2017

Q. I'm from VietNam. We are very new in PVD industry. My customer ordered polished stainless steel PVD champagne rose color (not gold base); it looks like "coffee color". What kind of target, gas, could we do to get this color?

TRAN TRUC
T&D International. - Ho Chi Minh, Viet Nam


July 28, 2017

A. Specifying a coating only by colour is risky not least because colour perception is rather subjective. Coffee (is it with or without milk ?!) comes in different tastes and colours. Apart from colour the user would be having other expectations from the coating. Some form of TiCN or TiAlN may serve the purpose. It would be best to have a joint discussion with the machine supplier and your client.

H.R. Prabhkara
Bangalore Plasmatek - Bangalore, Karnataka, India



August 17, 2017

Q. I am having trouble with a couple of my PVD finishers who say we must lacquer or clear coat "to prevent oxidization".

Done properly, would a PVD finish done on SS require a lacquer or a clear coat?

Allen Jubin
- Morganton, North Carolina, USA


August 2017

thumbs up sign Hi Allen. Are we talking architectural building panels, or plumbing faucets, or wristwatch dials? My belief is that gold colored PVD coatings are generally a final finish, but unfortunately, I think people would need to know a lot more about what you are doing before they could say whether your finishing shops are doing something wrong and trying to talk you into putting a bandaid on it.

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live Aloha


September 7, 2017

Allen,

PVD is a somewhat generic term, and includes deposition of hard coatings as well as metals. If your PVD finish is a hard metal nitride, oxide, or carbide, or some combination thereof, it should not require a top coat, assuming that you are using a 300 series stainless steel. If it is just a metal coating -- say nickel -- it probably needs a top coat.

Jim

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Jim Treglio
PVD Consultant - San Diego, California



Exact way to get Rose Gold pantone color 10155C with PVD

December 8, 2017

Q. Hello and Greetings. I am getting a bit frustrated with trying to achieve a Pantone shade of 10155C with PVD. I have spent thousands of dollars trying to achieve this and coming up empty-handed. Does anyone know the secret? Please help! Material used is a 420-j2 stainless steel.

Brint Fanizza
tool maker - Gainesville, Georgia USA


December 2017

thumbs up sign Hi Brint. You're certainly welcome to ask. But people who have achieved success at it are also welcome to retain that know-how to further their own business interests. So I don't know whether any answer will be forthcoming :-(

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live Aloha



May 27, 2018

Q. Hello and Greetings,
I deposit TiN thin film on faucets and steel dishes.
TiN color is golden, but when titanium target was finished, I mounted new titanium targets … all parameters were the same, but color was very pale. Does anyone know why the TiN is colorless?

z vahedi
- tehran, iran



Copper colour PVD

July 25, 2018

Q. My situation: I have done several tries to get copper colour in PVD, though I succeeded in getting that colour through copper targets, but it gets tarnished after some time is there any other way I could achieve copper colour or a colour near to that of copper

Gagandeep Singh
- Delhi,India


July 30, 2018

A. I don't know of anyone who has had success producing a copper finish by PVD other than depositing copper. Many have tried.

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Jim Treglio
PVD Consultant - San Diego, California


November 9, 2018

A. Hi guys

I work for a Mexican factory and we make Gold PVD using TiZr targets with Nitrogen gas, the key to get a good color is proportion of gas and adjust bias control to get very stable coating.

Jesus Uc Gonzalez
- Merida, Yucatan, Mexico



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January 1, 2019

Q. How to Make Pink Color in a Physical Vapor Deposition?

Rakesh Kaushik
Student - Bhiwani, haryana, INDIA



January 8, 2019

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Q. I want to know the process to get golden color plastic beads by using PVD and other colors like blue, green, pink, red please help!

Tej singh rathod
Karni mata plastic - India,maharashtra


January 2019

A. Hi Tej. The easiest way is to just vacuum metallize with aluminum and tint your top coat instead of leaving it clear. Cracker Jack toys and children's toy finger rings sold for 5¢ in gumball machine have been made this way for decades. Good luck.

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live Aloha



PVD deposit is perfect bronze red, but just gold in deep holes

February 27, 2019

Q. Hi,

Anyone know how to solve pvd deposition with Ti targets and bronze red colour TiCN. Problem I have is that colour not getting deep enough . In deep holes about 4 cm and 8 in diameter I get just gold colour, while outside it's perfect bronze red.
Thanks for answer.

Alan Kos
- Italy


March 5, 2019

A. Hi Alan,
you can try to increase your deposition time; also you can try to modify your fixture for a better deposition rate.

Saul Sanchez
R&D Helvex - CDMX, Mexico



August 13, 2019

Q. Hello,

I brought a machine for PVD coating when doing golden color on glass bracelets the color sometime come black sometime rainbow and rose gold and gold all mixed.

I have been doing TIN coating on glass substrate the problem it that it looks very good the time it is completed but after a day the same coating becomes very dull and dark. What are the possible reasons and how to solve?

Kushal Tayal
- India firozabad Uttar pradesh


August 16, 2019

A. As for the color change with time, TiN has a greater coefficient of thermal expansion than glass. As the component cools after coating, the TiN will try to shrink, adding tensile stress to the coating, opening up the structure and darkening the coating. I would look at going to a pulsed bias power supply on your substrate to increase ion bombardment during deposition, improving coating adhesion, providing better coating consistency, and, hopefully, adding enough compressive stress in the coating to overcome the tensile stress associated with the mismatch in thermal expansion.

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Jim Treglio
PVD Consultant - San Diego, California


August 23, 2019

Q. Thanks For Your reply.
However, the biggest issue I am facing is that I am doing TIN at temperature of 220 degrees.
The glass bracelet looks very good after coating is done and The coating does not fade away the time it is done.
But overnight the whole coating fades away, and peels off like powder.

I have been cleaning them very properly; still they fades away overnight.

Regards

Kushal tayal [returning]
- Firozabad uttarpradesh india


September 14, 2019

A. Kushal,
220 °C will give you pretty high compressive stress in TiN. Suggest you look into ZrN coating instead. A lot less stress at low temperatures. To get the deep gold color add a bit of acetylene to the gas mix. If you stay with TiN, reduce the coating thickness. Might also try coating with a pulsed bias.

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Jim Treglio
PVD Consultant - San Diego, California



September 13, 2019

Q. Is it possible to Know Standard Color Codes For Ion Plating (PVD process) for Watch Cases? Especially Black, Gun-Metal & Rose Gold and their Variants?

Narasimha Narasimha
Conzumex - India, Karnataka & Bengaluru


September 2019

"Gold Plating Technology"
by Reid & Goldie
from Abe Books
or

A. Hi Narasimha. According to Reid & Goldie there are color codes for gold plating in the watchcase industry, namely NIHS 03 SO, DIN 8-322, and CETEHOR 07 70 (that book was published in 1974, so ISO standards may supersede these). Whether these color codes also apply to PVD processes, or whether there are different color standards for PVD I don't know.

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live Aloha

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