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"Hard chrome plating: Volts, Amps, Anode-to-Cathode Distance"

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Current questions and answers:

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January 14, 2022

Q. At the shop we do hard chrome plating plunger. When we have a problem the plunger we plating results in a broken or burnt. What is the cause?

Azwadi Rohansyah
Shop employee - Palembang, Indonesia
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January 17, 2022

A. In the photo, the part is after immediately after chrome coating (why is the insulation so clean from below), or after working in some kind of unit? Please describe the problem in more detail. The composition of the bath, application modes preparation.

Nik Erm
- Nizhniy Novgorod, Russia
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March 25, 2022

The insulation looks clean because after the chrome coating we flush it with water.

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The process is as follows :
Etching ; Current Density 30 A/dm2
Ampere 4500 A
Temperature 51 °C
Time 40 s

Cr Plating ; Current Density 30 A/dm2
Ampere 4500 A
Temperature 51 ° ~ 53° C
Time 15 Hours

Before hard chrome, the workpiece is ground first.

Plating tank shape : 1000 W x 2000 L x 2000H
Plating solution qty : 1000 x 2000x 1800 = 3600 litres,
chromic acid input : 900 kg & sulfuric acid input : 9 kg

Azwadi Rohansyah [returning]
Shop employee - Palembang, Indonesia
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March 25, 2022

A. A visual inspection of the provided blanks revealed non-coverage in areas with low current density. On the protruding parts (high current density areas) of the part, shiny chrome is deposited. At the same time, roughness is present on some of the surfaces where chromium has deposited.
This defect is known and its occurrence usually occurs when the covering power of the chromium plating electrolyte decreases or when the current source (if the current source itself is in good condition) cannot maintain the specified current due to the high resistance of the electrolyte.
A decrease in the covering power of the electrolyte is possible due to its contamination with iron ions, trivalent chromium, etc., with an increased content of sulfuric acid or a low content of chromic anhydride.
Also, ion contamination with ions of iron, trivalent chromium, etc. increases the resistance of the electrolyte and maintaining a given current (30A/dm2) requires more voltage than the current source can produce. For example, a current source can deliver 12 volts, and in order to maintain the desired current (30A / dm2), with a high electrolyte resistance, 15 volts are required, since the current source cannot give them out, it will reduce the current (for example, to 15 A / dm2) and the blanks will not be covered.

If you have a Hull cell (you can make it yourself), then the problem can be quickly identified and subsequently eliminated.
If the hiding power is reduced due to an increased content of sulfuric acid, then it can be precipitated with barium carbonate by determining its required amount from the result of the analysis or by selecting this amount using the Hull cell.
Sulfuric acid is precipitated with barium carbonate according to the reaction H2SO4 + BaCO3 = H2O + CO2 + BaSO4,
based on 1 g of sulfuric acid, introduce 2.012 g of barium carbonate.
If the hiding power is reduced as a result of the increased content of trivalent chromium, then the electrolyte needs to be worked out.
Working out should be carried out with an anode area 5-10 times larger than the cathode one (the part for working out should have an area ten times smaller than the anode area, but not less than 10 dm2). The study must be carried out with periodic stirring of the electrolyte so that trivalent chromium ions are constantly present in the anode layer. Current strength 10 -30 A / dm2. The duration of study is 24-72 hours (depending on the amount of trivalent chromium accumulated in the electrolyte). Efficiency should be controlled according to the readings of the voltmeter; in the process of working out, a gradual decrease in voltage should occur. This measure will increase the covering power and reduce the stress on the bath.
If the hiding power is reduced as a result of contamination with iron or copper ions, then a reduction in its content is required. Of the possible ways:
Diluting the electrolyte by 2 times with water and adding chromic anhydride there (the effectiveness of this method is first checked by the Hull cell).
Addition of complexing agents that bind iron and copper ions into complexes, which are partially deposited on the bottom of the chromium plating tank, and partially leave them in the electrolyte in complexes that do not affect the course of the chromium plating process
The use of special membrane plants that allow you to clean the electrolyte.
To determine the correct solution to the problem, first of all, it is necessary to conduct electrolyte studies on the Hull cell.

Nik Erm
- Nizhniy Novgorod, Russia
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Previous closely related Q&A's, oldest first:

1998

Q. Please tell me more about hard chrome plating, for example the ideal current density, voltage, temperature, solution percentages, etc.

I'm starting a hard chrome plant for rollers and plastic molds.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Remberto Brito
Reproqui S.A. de C.V.
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"Hard Chromium Plating"
by Robert K. Guffie
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1998

A. Hi, Remberto. We're always delighted to answer questions here, but you should probably start your investment in your chrome plating operation with the purchase of some books on the subject because a few paragraphs will prove a poor substitute for the broad knowledge you will need to bring to the enterprise.

"Hard Chromium Plating" by Robert K Guffie is certainly the indispensable premier resource on this subject, but "Chromium Plating" [affil. link to book on Amazon] by Weiner & Walmsley is very valuable too. For general historical background "Electrodeposition of Chromium from Chromic Acid Solutions" [affil. link to book on Amazon] by George Dubpernell is interesting reading although I have come to personally feel it tends to overstate the importance of M&T Chemicals folks and understate the contributions of everyone else :-)

1). There are at least three very different general types of plating baths based on their catalysts (1. sulfuric acid - the traditional 'Sergeant' bath; 2. fluoride - such as the 'Self Regulating High Speed' bath; 3. proprietary catalysts - such as the High Efficiency Etch-Free bath). Please see letter 35184, "Hard chrome plating catalysts" for an introduction to that topic.

2). A large range of chromic acid concentrations are employed from about 28 oz./gal to 54 oz.gal.

3). A number of different general approaches are used, for example, tank plating with stick anodes vs. Peger's reversible rack system.

4). Rollers are sometimes plated vertically, and sometimes plated horizontally, while slowly rotating, with the bottom half submerged and the top half above solution level.

For these reasons,
- the ideal current density may range from a low of about 1-1/2 amp/in^2 to at least twice that and more.
- the voltage is closely proportional to the anode-cathode spacing and solution conductivity, so it might actually be only 3-4 volts with a clean solution and close spacing or it might be 12 volts (maybe even more) in some cases.
- the temperature is usually between 130 and 140 °F, but again it can depend on the other factors.
- the concentration of chromic acid is usually, as previously mentioned 28-54 oz./gal. with 32 oz./gal. probably being most typical. But there will always be catalysts in the general range of 1% of the chromic acid concentration.

You might get hold of old issues of Metal Finishing magazine and read what Clarence Peger -- a strong proponent of reversible rack plating -- has to say. Best of luck!

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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"Chrome Plating Simplified"
by Clarence H. Peger
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1998

A. In addition to looking at past issues of Metal Finishing magazine for Clarence Peger's articles about chrome plating, get a copy of Clarence Peger's books about chrome plating.

Hard Chrome Plating Simplified (CPSR) - a manual that consists of basic, simplified, hard chrome plating information to help you make greater profits; with over 200 illustrations and photographs; also includes 32 blue prints. 382 pages.

Hard Chrome Fixtures II (BLFT) a manual consisting of 80 full-color photographs of chrome shops, racked work, and other related images, 15 black-and-white photographs, 8 line-drawings, 5 papers, back issues of Hard Chrome Plating news letters, and other informative articles. Each photo has a commentary. 300 pages.

All of the information in these two manuals is based on a proven high-speed chrome plating method that produces even deposits at 0.006 + per hour plating rates. These manuals have been called the Hard Chrome Plater's Bible and the Cook Book of Chrome. If you hard chrome plate, you must have these manuals!

The manuals are available from:

Hard Chrome Plating Consultants , Inc., Cleveland Ohio

Mary Peger
Cleveland, Ohio
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(2008)

Q. Hi guys, Can anybody give me some hints of the operation costs of running a chrome plant?

Rolando Riley
- Panama
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A. Hi, Rolando.

As with many businesses, labor cost is surely the biggest single item. It takes several hours (occasionally several days) in the plating tank, and hard chrome plating jobs often require careful masking, building of specialized auxiliary anodes and thieves, etc.

Electricity costs can be substantial: look into Faraday's Law to estimate electrical usage based on the amount of chrome you will deposit, remembering that the chrome is in hexavalent form, and deposition efficiency is probably only about 12 percent. The air exhaust system also uses substantial energy.

The chromic acid itself is a fairly minor cost, but it can be expensive to manage the handling of chromic acid (hexavalent chromium) to avoid worker exposure and pollution of the environment.

Although it might not be easy, or even possible, it would be best if you very clearly understand chrome plating from visits to several chrome plating shops. Before you try to estimate the operational cost, it's useful to know what operations are actually involved and in what proportion. There are many plating shops which make good money ... but there are no plating shops which produce substantial rejects and make money. Good luck.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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To minimize search efforts and to offer multiple viewpoints, we combined previously separate threads onto this page. Please forgive any resultant repetition, failures of chronological order, or what may look like readers disrespecting previous responses -- those other responses may not have been on the page at the time :-)



June 7, 2009

Q. We plan to install 10000 amps RECTIFIER for HARD CHROME PLATING
I am confused whether to select 0-8V or 0-12V output voltage
Please advicse

MIKKI MAYAKANI
PLATING SHOP EMPLOYEE - KOLHAPUR, MAHARASTRA, INDIA
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June 11, 2009

A. Hi, Mikki. If you have experience in this and you never use more than 8 volts, you should get an 8-volt rectifier. Simply, there is no value at all in oversizing a rectifier :-)

If this is a new installation and you are asking how much voltage an unspecified part will require, no one can answer exactly. But essentially the required voltage is proportional to the anode-cathode distance. If you use only very closely spaced conforming anodes, 8 volts is probably enough; if you do 'tank plating' with the anodes the better part of a foot from the part you are plating, it is probable that you will need 12 volts (maybe even more). The referenced book by Guffie suggests thinking very carefully before considering 9-volt rectifier because real-world contaminated plating solutions will require more voltage than new solutions. Good luck.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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To minimize search efforts and to offer multiple viewpoints, we combined previously separate threads onto this page. Please forgive any resultant repetition, failures of chronological order, or what may look like readers disrespecting previous responses -- those other responses may not have been on the page at the time :-)



Anode cathode distance in hard chrome plating

December 16, 2010

Q. I find that the closer the distance between the anode & cathode (the work piece), the lesser is the required current (Amps/dm 2) to plate a particular thickness for a given surface area.
Could you help me to understand the theory behind this.

Srivarma Shetty
Electro Plater - Bangalore, Karnataka, India.
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simultaneous December 16, 2010

A. Other than you have to add 6 electrons for every chrome atom deposited, you have a very inefficient bath. Since the voltage is above both the hydrogen and oxygen overvoltage potential, you will use a good bit of electricity to have that happen. Next, the solution will generate a lot of heat, which is more lost electricity. When you move the part closer to the anode, you will generate less heat. If you turn down the voltage to lower the amperage, you will generate less hydrogen and oxygen. Result--You use less amps to plate the same thickness.
When you use conforming anodes, you can reasonably go to 1/2" spacing. This requires that you use a "mesh" type anode. This increases the solution flow over the part. Drilling holes in sheet lead will work, but not as well. Also, the mesh type anode is easier to remove a bit here and there to even out the plating thickness as in lessening the dog bone look at the end of a cylinder. It also makes it a bit easier to add lead wire to get more throw in a recessed area.
I takes luck or a lot of trial and error to get it right, but excellent and fast plate is the result. Heavy build at over a thou an hour per side of hard bright chrome. Over 2 thou per side on some parts.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida
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December 18, 2010

A. RESISTANCE OF HARD CHROME PLATING SOLUTION IS VERY HIGH.

Muhammad Umair Kahan
- Lahore Pakistan
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April 18, 2013 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. I have a Cylindrical part OD 38.50 mm & Length 205 mm. I have problem in chrome plating. I have No Idea For JIG & FIXTURE Design for this part.

When I try to do plating to this part/job down side is thickness variation. Suggest me how to do plating on this Part.

Gopal Jograna
- Gujrat, India
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April 23, 2013

A. Hi Gopal. Are you racking this part vertically or horizontally? If vertical, it's possible to arrange anodes in a ring around the part and get reasonable consistency of thickness. Anodes shorter than the part may help avoid dog-bone effect.

When you say you have "no idea" I'm not sure how literally to take that. If you are an experienced hard chrome plater looking for a tip based on this one particular shape of this part, hopefully someone can help you. If you literally mean that you have no knowledge at all of jigging & fixturing for hard chrome plating, you'll need to read some books or attend some classes as that would be way beyond what anyone can tell you via a public forum posting. Good luck.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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April 24, 2013

Q. Dear sir

I set job in Vertical & I have already 1 plant.; this is my second plant. I purchased this plant for this job: it's automotive part used in heavy truck; it's called KING PIN.
I need thickness 75 micron per side total 150 micron ovality & taper maximum 30 to 40 micron.
When I try this job for chrome plating and after checking this part, Ovality & taper 80 to 190 microns.
Thanks & Regards

Gopal Jograna [returning]
- Gujrat, India
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May 11, 2013

A. Hi Gopal: It is kind of difficult to help you without seeing a diagram or something about the part, but I am going to give you a few hints based on my experience. Hard chrome plating is a very tricky business, it is very complex and the bath is very poor in throwing, for every 100 amps you are "really" using 12 to 14 amps, with your bath in top shape. You should use 2 to 4 amps per square inch of surface to plate well.
Put your part vertical in the tank ; jig it up with heavy copper bar or hook; hopefully you have threaded holes on both ends of your part; use a stack of steel washers or nuts (to thieve the high current density of both ends, so you can get better distribution of the layer of chrome); Like Mr. Mooney said, set your anodes in a circular way around the part (use a heavy copper ring for your cell) and keep your part in the center about 3" from the anodes. Make sure your cleaning and activation process is good, good rinsing and give it a shot. This the best I can do for you. Good luck.

Nick Cordero
- New York, New York
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Chrome plating draws too little amperage

November 1, 2013

Q. Hello, I have a question concerning hard chrome plating. Over the past summer I have experienced a gradual loss of amperage on large parts. Example, if my part called for 10500 amps at 15 volts , I have slowly lost amps and am now around 7000 amps at 15 volts. My chemistry checks out good and temperature is good too.
Now here is what puzzles me. Through the summer I had slightly strengthened my chrome from 23-24 oz per gal to 26-27 oz per gal, disassembled mostly all copper contacts to clean mating surfaces and put in new anodes.
Now I thought this would give me an increase in amps but the decrease occurred. Does this mean that it now takes less amps to achieve the same end result? Or should I be looking into a problem in the rectifier?
Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Pete Salazar
chrome plating dept. - Chesterton, Indiana, USA
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November 6, 2013

A. It's highly unlikely that anything you did reduced the required amperage because that is dictated by Faraday's Law. With half the current, you'd put on only half the chrome, and I think you'd have noticed that thinness ... so I suspect the rectifier readings. The first and easiest guess about the problem is the ammeter and shunt leads.
The ammeter on your rectifier doesn't really measure amperage :-)
What actually happens is that there is a precisely sized block of copper alloy in your bussing called the shunt. When current flows through the bussing there is a voltage drop across the shunt just like any of the other bussing -- except that the shunt was sized to have a fixed voltage drop, usually 50 mV, when the rectifier's maximum current is flowing. At half current the voltage drop will be 25 mV, etc. So your ammeter is actually a 50 mV voltmeter. If that voltmeter is defective or the shunt is the wrong size for the rectifier rating or the meter, or even if the shunt wiring is loose or the connections dirty, the ammeter can read wrong.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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November 8, 2013

A. Hi Pete,
I agree with Ted on his suggestion.
However you did not comment on the condition of your part.
Is the result same in same time or do you observe a difference? To my guess check your rectifier for a broken carbon leading to less current. Moreover in case you have a broken carbon it means that you are working on 2 phases which could harm the rectifier and the deposit too.

ALL THE BEST.

vikram dogra
Vikram Dogra
Irusha India - Chandigarh, India
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July 14, 2017

Q. Hi

We have water-cooled IGBT based rectifiers for our automatic hard chrome plating line -- 12 V and 18000 A.

ACRONYMS:

IGBT = Insulated Gate Bipolar Transistor

Over the past six months, whenever the demand of parts current exceeds 70 - 75% of the rectifier current capacity, fluctuation of current happens and also the actual current observed at that 70 - 75% limit is 500 - 2000 A less than the set current.

The rectifier manufacturer says that constant current output should be obtained @ 85 - 90% of the rectifier capacity but is unable to diagnose the problem.

Our chrome plating bath uses HEEF-based chemistry, with chrome concentration of 250 gpl and trivalent chrome - 7 gpl, Fe - 9 gpl. Operating temperature is 60 °C and current density is 50 ASD. We use 2.5 meter length lead-tin anodes. We have checked the busbar connections from rectifier to tank and is ok.

If rectifier is the problem, what are all the variables to be checked, to confirm problem with the rectifier.

Thanks for your assistance.

Ezhil Thangapandi
- Bengaluru, Tamilnadu, India
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"Hard Chromium Plating"
by Robert K. Guffie
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A. Hi Ezhil. If this problem developed as the plating solution aged, please consult Guffie for detailed comments on why this may happen with plating solutions as they accumulate impurities. An oscilloscope will show the actual voltage being delivered, and when sync'ed to your 50 or 60 Hz power, it can be very helpful towards revealing whether the rectifier is malfunctioning (these days some high-end digital multimeters can simulate an oscilloscope, plotting the waveform of the output voltage on an LCD display).

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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March 24, 2021

Q. How to calculate amperage and voltage for hard chrome plating?
I want to run a small shop of hard chrome plating in guns barrels and other part of guns.

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Anyone there who can help me I will be very appreciative.

aziz ullah
- peshawar pakistan
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March 2021

A. Hi Aziz. Chrome will not deposit at all at low current densities and will burn at too high a current density. You will probably want to size things for around 250 to 500 Amps per square foot (25-50 Amps per square decimeter), although these are not firm limits.

Voltage is not an independent variable. It is whatever value is required to deliver that amperage under the actual conditions of anode-to-cathode distance and solution conductivity. Relatively small parts usually means relatively close anode-to-cathode spacing and relatively low voltage. A 9-volt rectifier is probably safe if parts remain small and anode-to-cathode distance remains short. But it is better to find someone who is doing a similar job and doing it in a similar way, and find out from them what voltage they have found necessary than to try to guess :-)

Luck & Regards,

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March 27, 2021

Q. Hello sir again
How to hard chrome plate inner surface of guns barrels? I am using lead antimonial rod coated with oxide in inner side of guns barrels -- is this okay or not?
How many ampere and volt rectifier will be used if the distance of anode and cathode is 0.5 inch and cathode surface area is 18 square inch to 40 square inch?

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For small guns barrel (9 sq inch) is working but not for large (28.8 sq inch).

aziz ullah [returning]
- peshawar pakistan
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March 2021

A. Hi again, Aziz. I have no personal experience in chrome plating of gun barrels and can only report 'book knowledge'. Guffie says 2-4 Amps per square inch, which would mean 18-36 Amps for the small gun barrel and 57-115 Amps for the large. He also suggests that while 9 volts is usually enough, 12 volts is rarely not worth it.

But what he also makes a big point of is that the anode area should be as large as possible or the anodes will passivate and simply stop plating. That sounds like maybe that's a problem for you on the larger barrels.

Luck & Regards,

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May 31, 2021

Q. Help me in the following problems:
Temperature requirement for hard chrome?
and the relation between current and temperature?
Why does the surface become dull not shiny?

aziz ullah [returning]
- peshawar Pakistan
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"Chromium Plating"
by Weiner & Walmsley
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May 2021

A. Hi Aziz. The most common hard chrome plating temperatures is probably 130 °F / 54-55 °C.
The allowable current density increases at higher temperature, but unfortunately the efficiency decreases, so changing the temperature isn't usually much of a strategy. Weiner & Walmsley has dozens of graphs covering the interaction of all the variables if you find it in a library.

Luck & Regards,

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October 11, 2021

Q. We are using constant voltage rectifier for hard chrome plating with the output current capacity of 8000 Amps; however, the current creeps up causing extra chrome being deposited onto the surface.

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Any pointers on what could be the possible cause?

Hassan Bin Mazhar
- Bury, Manchester, England
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October 2021

A. Hi Hassan. Are you using only tank anodes? If so, my first suspicion would be that something is wrong with the rectifier or its gauges.

But A = V / R, and the bulk of that R is solution resistance across the gap from anode to cathode. So I suppose if you are using conforming anode surfaces very close to your component it's vaguely possible that as the surface of the plating grows closer to the anodes the resistance is being reduced by enough to affect the current.

Luck & Regards,

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October 18, 2021

Q. Thanks a lot for the reply Ted. We did check our rectifiers and turns out they are not stabilizing the voltage efficiently and there is a lot of ripple.

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Are there any dampers that we can use to stabilize the output from the rectifiers?

Hassan Bin Mazhar [returning]
- Bury Manchester, England
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December 2021

A. Hi again, Hassan. Yes, external devices have been used on plating rectifiers to stabilize the voltage for decades. But don't use the word "damper" in your search, do a google search for "filter chokes for plating rectifier ripple"

Luck & Regards,

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December 21, 2021

Q. Hello,
I am an employee of a cylinder fabrication and repair factory.
We have 2 chrome baths:

• one using old 20000 Amp rectifier
• new one we are using 8000 Amp rectifier.

The first issue on new one is that when I set the current (for example to 1000 Amps) its withdrawal more the 2800 amps (using 25 current density and try to keep temperature on 52 °C).

Another issue is that the chrome layer is reaching 20 microns in only 10 minutes which is too high compared to the old one.

I have the option to use voltage control on the device. Can I use that and which formula can be used?

Ammar mukhtar
employee - jeddah, Saudi Arabia
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December 2021

A. Hi Ammar. I don't fully understand what you are describing, but if you are using the same chrome solution in both tanks, one is not plating much faster at the same amperage ... it sounds like your rectifier or meters (or the way they are installed) is wrong.

Yes you can "plate by voltage", many people recommend it, but the required voltage will depend upon the anode-to-cathode distance, which may be different for different size cylinders.

Please read the rest of this thread, then get back to us with more detailed questions.

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
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December 22, 2021

Q. Mr.Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Appreciate your swift reply.
I have two rectifiers, one is old - other is new with thyristor type. My issue whenever I set to desired amperes still shown on screen more [for example I have Rod dia 90 L:1400 A/dc I use 30 A/dm^2 results is about 990 Amps - bath temperature is 50-52 °C - when starts THE RECTIFIER IS TAKES MORE THE 2700 Amps] and platings gives 20 micron on 10 mints - the FINISH IS NOT SHINING AT ALL its milky color

Ammar mukhtar [returning]
employee - jeddah, Saudi Arabia
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December 2021

A. Hi Ammar. I don't know what else to say :-)

You already knew the amperage was too high; but you know it's too high a second time from thickness measurements because it's plating too fast, and you know it's too high a third time because you are seeing 'burning'. We can't troubleshoot your rectifier from here but it's obviously the problem.

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
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December 28, 2021

Q. Sir
I am having some difficulties on my chrome plating plants -- today I have noticed that the chrome does not hold/stick on the rod at all.

Ammar mukhtar [returning]
employee - jeddah, Saudi Arabia
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December 29, 2021

Q. Hello Sir,
thanks.
I am using formula L x D x 3.14 x 25 as current density, so for the chrome rod I need to plate is 900 Amps with temperature 52-56 °C degrees - voltage is fixed to 15 V.
Am using ampere control.
The chrome chemical test results are:
1. Chrome Acid 104.4 g/l
2. Ferric content 4.12 g/l
3. Density 16 baume [1.13 g/cm^3]
I did add the cleome ^chromic acid to reach the standard 280 g/l,
am not adding catalyst.

Ammar mukhtar [returning]
employee - jeddah
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January 2022

A. Hi again, Ammar. I apologize but I cannot understand your 4 postings at all. You were trying to chrome plate with a chromic acid concentration of 104.4 g/l when you know it's supposed to be 280 g/l? You are trying to chrome plate without any catalyst?! You know that your rectifier meter readings are wrong but you are using them anyway. I'm sorry but we are not even agreeing about what our words mean :-(

Luck & Regards,

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