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Why must Copper Bus Bar be Tin Plated?



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A discussion started in 2005 but continuing through 2019

February 11, 2016

Q. Hi,

I have question about oxygen free copper, specifically about C10100 (Cu-OFE) and C10300 (Cu-PHC) ? Do they need to coated/plated (tin,nickel ...) to prevent oxidation? some sources state they don't.

Ivan Barbaric
- Zagreb, Grad Zagreb, Croatia


February 2016

A. Hi Ivan. High purity copper is quite corrosion resistant, and I'm quite familiar with applications where bus bar is not tinned. But it seems that it would depend both on the specific application and any standard codes that apply. Good luck.

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38265extB
February 18, 2016

A. This post is in response to the many questions regarding bus bars and which type of plating is best for the application.

I have worked for several large electrical equipment manufacturers over the years and there is no simple answer to which type of plating is best; however, there are only two which are exclusively accepted for electrical distribution: tin and silver.

Electrical equipment is installed indoors and outdoors and subject to moisture, salts, and reactive atmospheres; so, many years have been devoted to failure and cost analysis, and a lot of trial & error. Each has its merits and shortcomings and so knowing the environment in which the equipment is to be installed is of paramount importance.

I would suggest reading Data Bulletin 0100DB0401 "Electrical Equipment and Components in Adverse/Corrosive
Environments" published by Square D =>
It is a comprehensive examination regarding choice of plating materials and would likely answer many of your readers questions.

Another document worth mentioning is Data Bulletin 0108DB0602, "Thermal Aging Study of Tin Plating on Aluminum" =>

Most of your major manufacturers have tomes of white papers and publications regarding electrical equipment design and failure analysis and offer a wealth of information at the click of a button.

Regards,

Scott S [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
Large Manufacturer - Austin, Texas


February 20, 2016

A shop dating back to WWII that I worked at put a sheet of aluminum foil between the copper layers of bolted joints.
It seemed to work quite well and was certainly low cost.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida


February 2016

thumbs up signThanks Scott!

Very interesting, James, but I don't understand what that is supposed to do or how it's supposed to do it :-)

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July 23, 2016

Q. Please, what does it take to De-oxidise Bus bars and what are the steps to do it?

Charles Emmanuel Ngozi
- Lagos Nigeria


July 2016

A. Hi Charles. Although "De-oxidize bus bars" means "remove oxidation from bus bars", it may not be possible for anyone to answer that question except the customer who requested it :-(

It MIGHT mean lightly sand the joint area and apply anti-oxidation compound, but it might not. We'd need to see it in context.

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Black-green deposit on automotive copper terminals

September 27, 2016

Q. We are facing a problem in car head light switch. There is blackish green deposition on the copper terminals (only the terminals connected to battery ground, the rest are OK). During EDX analysis of copper we observed the deposition of potassium and sulfur. Can there elements come from battery or is this related to environment or something other. Please help.

Dheerendra Singh
Automotive (car) switches manufacturer - Gurgaon , Haryana , India


September 29, 2016

A. That sounds like a reaction with pollutants in the air, likely SO2. "Blackish green" sounds like a mixture of CuS and other Cu compounds.

How's your local air quality? Perhaps you could install some kind of air filter.

dave wichern
Dave Wichern
Consultant - The Bronx, New York


October 9, 2016

Q. Thank you Mr. Dave
I also think same this is like CuS, but this deposition is only on three terminal rest are OK, we have received almost 50 defective parts all have same pattern only three terminals which are connected to the battery ground have the deposition , if the cause is polluted air it should be on entire all Cu terminals.

Dheerendra Singh [returning]
Automotive (car) switches manufacturer - Gurgaon , Haryana , India


December 19, 2016

Q. Good Morning all!

Dear sir,

I have a doubt which type of insulation we have to provide in tinned copper busbar cutting edges whether we have to do tin coating again?

Please give a suggestion.

Regards

Sriram R.
electrical Industries - Muscat, seeb, oman


December 2016

A. Hi Sriram. It is possible that a given customer spec or industry standard requires replating of the ends. If you find no such spec, I guess my feeling would be that if only the contact ends of the bar are tin plated, there would not seem to be any reasonable need for plating the cut ends; but if the whole bar is tin covered end-to-end, and you have now exposed copper by cutting it, aesthetics or the possibility of galvanic corrosion might necessitate plating of the ends depending on the circumstances.

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December 20, 2016

Q. Dear sir,

Thanks for the reply.
Sometimes it may not be possible to re-Tin busbar edges. I think there is no tin sprays are available in the market. Whether zinc coating is advisable for the edges?

Regards,

Sriram R. [returning]
electrical Industries - Muscat, seeb, oman


December 2016

A. Hi again. Sorry, but zinc plating of the cut ends sounds to me like a terrible idea.

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January 1, 2017

A. Dheerendra,
An undercharged battery can cause this. I would suggest a protective coating for the Cu.
Sriram,
The thing to do, in my humble opinion, is to cut the bus bars and then tin them. The bus bars should be completely coated.

blake kneedler
Blake Kneedler
Feather Hollow Eng.
Stockton, California



December 27, 2016

Q. Are there any methods available for tin plating over aluminium bars by spray plating method??

dhanus mohan
- Coimbatore,Tamilnadu,India



February 20, 2017

? Why would you need tin plating if there is the use of a suitable oxide-inhibiting compound between the joints to stop oxidation? Yes, the exposed copper will discolor; however, that won't limit its ability to conduct 600 A or greater.

keith Gosh
N/A - Boulder, Colorado USA



June 15, 2017

Q. If said Tinning will not increasing Ampere rating, some cases using Uniniven cables for higher current applications please clarify

HARSHA KUMAR
Powertech Industires - Ajman UAE


June 2017

? Hi cousin Harsha. Google comes up empty for "Uniniven" -- perhaps it's a typo.
This thread now contains more than 80 entries; to further 'clarify' the claim that tinning improves the reliability of an electrical joint but does not necessarily increase its ampacity, we would need you to take a couple of paragraphs to carefully detail your situation so we can present a detailed defense of what has been claimed. Otherwise, I don't know how to 'clarify' something which I've already repeatedly tried to make clear, when I don't even understand your posting :-(
Thanks for your understanding.

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November 9, 2017

Q. Dear Sir,

As you said low frequency current will not pass on outer surface of the conductor rather its core. My question is we are making tin coating on the copper conductor, while making the joints(as you explained in drawing) surface of two tin material is touching if this is the case current is flowing on the surface of the conductor. kindly brief me if I am wrong (resistance of tin and copper is different, tin will affect current carrying capacity of copper) .

Regards,

Jack

Jalal Mohamed [returning]
- Dubai, UAE


November 2017

A. Hello Jack. Please imagine for a moment that you were trying to connect copper bus bars to carry current, but someone had inadvertently painted those bus bars, so they had a layer of paint on them which was interfering with a proper connection. You would need to remove that paint in order to make a good connection.

All metals except precious metals like gold & platinum react with the oxygen in the air to "paint themselves" with non-conductive oxide (tarnish) surfaces. Depending on which metal we're speaking of, this naturally forming oxide can be thick, highly insulative, and a serious problem; aluminum is an example of that, and it can never be used as a contact surface. Sometimes the naturally forming oxide/tarnish is quite thin and doesn't present much of a problem for most circuits; for example, nickel is a fine contact surface almost all the time because it's oxide/tarnish is very thin; but extremely low power & low voltage digital circuits must be gold plated so there is absolutely no oxide (tarnish). One reason that copper is plated with tin is because the oxide/tarnish which forms on tin is not as insulative and problematical as the oxide/tarnish which forms on copper. So it is not the case that the current flows only on the tin surface, but that the tin plating help avoid the formation of a heavy insulating oxide on the copper so the current can more can easily flow into and through the copper core.

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November 26, 2017

Q. Dear Sir,

Thank you for your concise explanation. I am an Electrical Engineer working in Dubai UAE.

I have gone through a google search to understand de-rating factors on conductors with respect to temperature (heat vs current). I have a question regarding the current carrying capacity of copper bus bar related to an ambient temperature and temperature rise. How the current carrying capacity of copper has been designed at any ambient temperature. Was there any limitation?

If you brief me with your knowledge and experience, it will be helpful for your student.

Regards, Jack

Jalal Mohamed [returning]
- Duabi, UAE


National Electric Code
from Abe Books

or

November 2017

A. Hello again cousin Jack. I am not an electrical engineer so my knowledge of this subject is limited. The resistance to electricity flow in metals increases as the temperature rises, and therefore the allowable ampacity of wiring may vary depending on ambient temperature, how many wires are in a conduit, whether bus bars are in the open air vs. enclosed within a bus duct, etc. In the USA we adhere to the NEC (National Electric Code) which has tables for a number of different situations. But I do not have such stuff committed to memory.

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February 12, 2019

Q. Can we raise copper current carrying capacity by using tin plating? I found ABB make McCabe spreader link Tin plated and it carries more current than copper bus bar!

Sandip Goswami
Electrical panel - Baroda Gujarat India


February 2019

A. Hi Sandip. Your thought process in claiming that the spreader link carries more current than the bus bar isn't clear to me. But the plating on bus bar is so thin that I would expect its current carrying capacity to be negligible.

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March 15, 2019 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. What is the minimum Requirement of Plating? 10 Micron is enough? Are there any world standards for min. plating requirement for Copper Busbars?
Thanks in advance.

Asit Rathod
Hitachi Hirel Power Electronics PVT LTD - Sanand, Guarat, India


April 11, 2019

A. Hi Asit,
Usually 8-15 µm tin deposit is good enough for copper busbar to withstand tarnish/corrosion, improve electrical properties at high frequencies and solderability.

Regards,
David

David SHIU
- Singapore, Singapore



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