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Current Density Meter? Calculate/measure current density in electroplating?


A discussion started in 2005 but continuing through 2018

(2005)

Q. We are going to plate (Ni + Au) parts of very complex shape and need to determine current density during plating with good accuracy. Is there any method or device to determine current density (or surface area of complex part, where there is difficulty to simply calculate it from dimensions)?

Thanks.

Frantisek Haas
PRECIOSA - Jablonec n.N. , Czech Republik


(2005)

A. Hello Frantisek. Your options might include current density meters from such suppliers as Industrial Instruments Inc., or electrochemical software designed to model complex electroplating situations.

Or ... you can determine the surface area by performing some process which coats the surface with a uniform thickness coating -- such as immersion copper plating, electroless nickel plating, anodizing (if the substrate is aluminum), or electropainting -- and determine the volume of coating applied (such as by a strip-and-weigh) operation. Obviously, if you can apply 2 or more of these methods you will increase your confidence level. Good luck.

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Need real-time current density meter

January 10, 2007

RFQ: Is there a commercial plating current density meter available that will measure current density on my parts real time?

thomas c [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- new bern, North Carolina
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(2007)

Q. Dear sir,
We are doing non-cyanide cadmium plating on steel parts as per 15-5 ph steels as per BAC 5701. The quality assurance parameters says that cathode current density should be 2-20 ASF.The anode current density should be 5-45 ASF (amperes square feet). We want to know how to check these current densities. Can anyone guide me in this regard?
thanx,

IFTIKHAR ALI
PROJECT ENGINEER - Karachi, Sindh, Pakistan


(2007)

A. You can set the required current density by knowing first the area of the cathode (or anode), then multiply it to your desired current density. The product would be your current setting.

Franz Cantillano
- Philippines



May 30, 2015

In a chromium electroplating process it says the cathode current density is 20-30 A/dm2. Does that mean I use 20-30 Amps per dm2? That seems too high if I have to use a 1/1 cathode anode ratio for the size bath I'm using.

Damian Gruenberg
- Woodlake California



Current Density Meter for Anodizing

June 18, 2015 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. Good day.

This is a question for all you avid readers/contributors to this great site.
I am looking for a current density meter to measure ASF for anodize/electroplating. I did find a contact.

"I3's CD200 Current Density Meter allows electroplaters to know exactly where on the work piece the material is being deposited, as well as the rate of deposit. A small toroidal current probe is placed inside the plating bath near the work piece. A digital display on the instrument indicates the current density at that point in A/ft2 or A/dm2. By Faraday's Law, this current density is directly proportional to the rate at which material is being deposited on the work piece."

The concept is wonderful, in that the test rack of known area and the ammeter are NOT required for ASF determination.
If something seems too good to be true - it usually is!
The fly in the ointment is - I am not getting any response from this contact.

Does anybody have ideas as who else to contact? I have tried as many as I could think of, all to no avail.
Looking forward to replies.

Regards,

Eric Bogner
Lab Tech - Whitby, On., Canada.


June 2015

A. Hi Eric.

I3 (Industrial Instruments Inc.) was a husband & wife business, and a supporting advertiser of finishing.com. The wife became seriously ill in 2007. I, and apparently everyone else in the industry, quickly lost contact with them. Many people have been looking for them since 2008 and, to the best of my knowledge (which I would be delighted to update), the company does not exist. Further, to my knowledge, no manufacturer of current density meters of this sort for electroplating and anodizing exists in the world. Good luck.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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June 19, 2015

Q. Good day Ted.

Thank you for your very timely response. I have procured a listing of 22 potential suppliers, and have received 11 replies as negative. There was a firm, Amptron, who did indeed manufacture a meter, albeit an ammeter configuration, but, they too, also are no longer operating.
I am focusing on I3, as where was the origin of manufacture?
Thank you for your input.

Regards,

Eric Bogner
Lab Tech. - Whitby, On., Canada.


June 2015

A. Hi Eric. I3 was run by Fred and Catherine Dyer and operated from Newport News VA and subsequently from Tazewell TN. It was apparently a successor to or a re-naming of QCI. I don't know whether the instruments were actually manufactured in the USA or imported.

Regards,

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June 19, 2015

A. Although I've had no personal experience with this equipment, I am very familiar with the vendor. You could try the Pas II~III sold by Anodize USA

www.anodizeusa.com/anodizing-systems-pas23.php

Marc Green
Marc Green
anodizer - Idaho


June 22, 2015

thumbs up signGood day Marc.

Thanx for the contact. I am using a rack with test panels of a known surface area and measuring with an ammeter to determine ASF. It is cumbersome to measure off the rack with the "clamp" while ramping, so I ran a lead to ramp control to measure off the lead as I am ramping.
I really liked the I3 meter, as the panels and ammeter are not required. Also I could use it for tin, cad, copper, etc., plating.
Thank you for your input Ted And Marc.

Regards,

Eric Bogner
Lab Tech. - Whitby, On. Can.



May 15, 2018

Q. Hello,
I wanted to design an inside cathode for our sulfuric acid anodizing bath by adding new cathodes. As you know, knowing the current density on the cathode is an important aspect in order to estimate the cathode surface area.

Can I ask what should be the normal current density on the cathode?
And should I consider the surface area of the whole package? (new cathode + old cathodes together) for estimating the new cathode surface area regarding the current density?

Best Regards
Payam

Payam Ajami
- Bielefeld Germany


May 2018

A. Hi Payam. When you are trying to design auxiliary cathodes for better coverage in recesses, I don't think the correct order of things is to first determine the desired cathode current density and then try to make cathodes with the appropriate surface area. I think the correct order of things is to start by designing cathodes of the optimum size and shape to improve coverage in those recesses.

Unless you are planning on separate isolated power supplies for the main cathodes and the auxiliary cathodes (which sounds complicated, perhaps unnecessarily so), you would need to consider the total cathode area.

Electrochemical modeling software does exist which (as I understand it) uses finite element analysis to estimate the current density everywhere on the anode and cathode, but predicting what those results will be would require that analysis software :-)

We appreciate the information provided, which gives us a good general understanding of what you are up to, but additional info about what problem you are experiencing and trying to address might be helpful. Good luck.

Regards,

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