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Dishwasher ruined shiny aluminum

Quickstart: Scrubbing with cream of tartar [on eBay or Amazon affil links] seems the most reliable fix when dishwashers turn aluminum gray & spongey.
Ketchup, lemon, & vinegar were partially successful, and there are reports of success with: metal polish, ammonium citrate, Glass Cooktop Cleaner, Barkeepers Friend, Silvo, and Brillo, The Pink Stuff, or switching to Mrs. Meyer dishwasher detergent.

Arthur Court measuring spoons 2 Arthur Court measuring spoons 5


Feel free to add your method. (For questions about the safety of aluminum, please see threads 8962 & 22551 instead.


Q & A's:

Q. My mom's gas stove burner plates are supposed to look like this:

stove burners good

I sent them through the dishwasher and they were totally corroded. In an effort to clean off the corrosion, I tried boiling them in lemon juice and cream of tartar, I used baking soda, vinegar, the Pink Stuff, Barkeepers Friend. I tried heating them back up, Comet, hydrogen peroxide, etc. I ended up sanding them. So, I believe I got the corrosion off but I also took all the coating off.

stove burners bad

Is there a way to restore them or put the finish back on? Please help!

Laurie Kinsman
- Florence, Arizona
June 13, 2023

Gas Burner Heads & Caps on eBay or Amazon

A. Hi Laurie.
If you don't want to replace them, I think you can paint them with silver colored stove paint [on eBay or Amazon affil links] . You may not find the perfect color but it should be pretty good. You may need a pin or toothpick if you get any paint blocking the holes.

Leave the exhaust fan on the first time you fire them up.

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey






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Nambé

The Pink Stuff
pink_stuff
on eBay or

Amazon

(affil links)

A. I thought I ruined a Nambé butter dish by running it through the dishwasher and I tried all the suggestions with no success. Then, I tried The Pink Stuff [on eBay or Amazon affil links] .
It brought it back to beautiful again!

Liz DeGroot
- St Augustine, Florida
February 18, 2023


Nambé on eBay or Amazon (affil. link)]
Nambé Polishing Kit
nambe_polish
on eBay or

Amazon

(affil links)

? Thanks Liz. Other readers should know that although Nambé is a brand name, it is also actually an alloy of other metals, not aluminum. Folks can read more about Nambé on thread 38754.
Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




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Aluminum Meat Mallet

Q. I recently placed a new shiny aluminum meat-mallet (tenderizer) in our dishwasher. It came out almost black and looks terrible. Can I do anything to restore the original finish or at least a clean looking finish. What would have caused this? Was it anodized or something? Could anodizing be removed simply by washing in a dishwasher. Was there a chemical reaction or dissimilar metal issue?

Any advice appreciated as my wife wants to kill me for damaging it. She may even use the meat tenderizer to do it! I would at least like to be killed with a clean, shiny object :-)

Gary Cay
Plastics - Sydney, Australia
2006


A. Metal polish; most likely you managed to oxidize the surface of the metal. Just use whatever metal polish you have handy to remove the surface oxidization, if you don't have any, try toothpaste.

Marc Banks
Blacksmith - Shawboro, North Carolina


thumbs up signTake the easy way out. Sneak out and buy an identical one. Rub it a tiny bit with toothpaste, give it to the lovely lady and tell her that you "polished it" No lie, but not the whole truth either.

P.S., keep this one in the hand wash category.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida


Cream of Tartar!

A. Try making a paste of water and cream of tartar [on eBay or Amazon affil links] (available in the spice aisle at the grocery store, if not already in your kitchen cabinet). Use either a clean cotton cloth, or in this case, an old tooth brush, nail brush or sponge, and work the paste until the shine has been restored.

Kim Pace
- Fort Worth, Texas
February 15, 2011




Dishwasher caused white spots on aluminum cake pans

Q. I ran my 9 inch round aluminum cake pans through the dishwasher and they have a few white powdery spots on them. My questions are:
1) what are these white spots and what causes them?
2) does this mean that my pans should be tossed out? (they are pretty old - they belonged to my grandmother who was born in 1908.)
3) should I avoid putting these and other aluminum baking pans in the dishwasher?
Thank you

Marjorie Moats
bake for fun when I can - Cleveland, Ohio, USA
May 16, 2010


A. Dishwashing detergent is quite hard on aluminum pans that have not been anodized. They have an oxide layer that allows the pan not to corrode. Clean with a plastic sponge scrubber in warm water, coat the pan with a Light coat of oil and bake at 350 °F for an hour or so. Let it cool down in the oven. Should work fine.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida


Q. Wouldn't the handle of the aluminum pot be damaged in an oven?

Emilie LaFave
- Gastonia, North Carolina
January 26, 2023


A. Hi Emilie,
Sad to say we haven't heard from James in a very long time and you aren't likely to :-(
But it probably depends on the handle -- old fashioned bakelite handles are good to 300 °F continuously, but way more than 350 ° in the short term (more like 550 °F) ... but Marjorie was inquiring about cake pans.
Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


A. Marjorie,
Aluminum is sensitive to harsh detergents. Most dishwasher detergents are alkaline in nature. The good news is, the white spots can be removed. Buy a small jar of cream of tartar [on eBay or Amazon affil links] in the spice section of the supermarket. Mix in a small amount of warm water to form a paste. With a medium coarse rag rub the paste over the whole pan in a circular motion giving added time to the white spots. Rinse well with warm water and towel dry. You may have to repeat the process. I would use a mild dish detergent and wash pans by hand from now on.

Mark Baker
fellow plater - Syracuse, New York


A. Hi Marjorie,

This sounds like the aluminum was oxidized during the wash phase. Are you even supposed to put aluminum in a dishwasher?

Okay, so here's what's happening:

Your dish-washing detergent contains alkaline phosphates. At high pH, the 'passive' aluminum surface dissolves as Na2Al(OH)4 (sodium aluminate). This reveals 'active' metal underneath, which reacts with the phosphates in the water to form aluminum phosphate. Sodium aluminate reacts with sodium phosphate to form sodium aluminum phosphate. Sodium aluminum phosphates precipitate out of the water, and deposit onto the sites along the surface of the aluminum cookware, leaving these powdery spots.

Sodium aluminum phosphate isn't dangerous if you accidentally consume. It's often used as a leavening agent for baking. If you scrub the surface with a Brillo [on eBay or Amazon affil links] pad, this should be fine to use again.

In the future, try to clean baking sheets by hand; dishwashers provide a corrosive environment for aluminum.

Robert Kinner
- Toledo, Ohio


A. The aluminium that the cake tins are made from is probably being attacked by the dishwasher powder. This is starting to cause corrosion which is the white spots. My advice would be to clean the tins with some of the more abrasive pan scourers to remove the corrosion, rinse well. Put a light coating of vegetable oil on the pans with kitchen roll before putting them back into your cupboard. From now on only hand wash them.

Ciaron Murphy
- South Wales UK




Aluminum meat grinder parts washed in dishwasher turned gray

Q. A friend borrowed our meat grinder and washed the aluminum parts that are not dishwasher safe in the dishwasher! The once pretty shiny silver looking parts are now dark gray and leave a black tarnish on your fingers. How can I clean it, to get it to the point where it will be safe to use again?

Tawny Dunlevy
Homemaker - Sitka, Alaska, USA
November 4, 2010


A. Hi, Tawny

I think it's safe to use, and I believe if you look it up in authoritative places you will find the same opinion expressed by the Alzheimer's Association, EPA, etc. But that black smut is unappealing and if you can get rid of it temporarily, do it.

I used your inquiry as a teachable moment for myself, taking an old aluminum ice cream scooper that has been in the dishwasher a hundred times and seeing what I could do with it. Rubbing it with a cloth soaked in vinegar [in bulk on eBay or Amazon affil links] took off loads of the black smut, but was generating it almost as fast as it took it off :-)
After I rinsed it, not much further black smut came off, and it was darker in color because I had dissolved any white corrosion products. I then tried a sulfamic acid metal polish and the experiment went pretty much the same. Not having any Mothers Mag & Aluminum Polish [on eBay or Amazon affil links] at hand, I tried rubbing compound [on eBay or Amazon affil links] (by hand), and the result was slightly better.

Moving on to conjecture, I think you could brighten it up and remove the black smut if you buff it with a power tool (a buffer [on eBay or Amazon affil links] , a Dremel [on eBay or Amazon zaffil links] , or at least a buffing pad [on eBay or Amazon affil links] on a battery operated drill [on eBay or Amazon affil links] ) and the Mother's. But I think once the anodized coating is gone, it's gone, and it won't stay shiny for long. Sorry.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


"The Surface
Treatment &
Finishing of
Aluminium and
Its Alloys"

by Wernick, Pinner
& Sheasby

pinner
on AbeBooks

or eBay or

Amazon
(note: this book is two volumes)

(affil links)

A. It has been a while since I've read through it, and I don't have my copy handy, but I recall Wernick Pinner and Sheasby
stating that you could get really good corrosion resistance by submerging aluminum in boiling water for 24 hours but that it wasn't economical for most manufacturing purposes. In this case however, if you CAN brighten it back up (even temporarily), if you have a way to boil it for long enough it MIGHT stay that way. Mind you, I've never personally tried it.

Good Luck!

Jim Gorsich
Compton, California, USA


thumbs up signGreat idea, Jim, thanks!

Readers: I see graphs in that book showing that the oxide film does continue to grow for 16 to 24 hours in boiling water before it tops out. Some other pages seem to indicate that deionized/distilled water is very important, so try boiling in a very clean enameled pot (or a pot lined with a pot liner or at least a plastic bag), and maybe change out the deionized/distilled water a couple of times.

If anyone tries it, please let us know how it goes :-)

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




Q. I washed my aluminum pressure cooker in the dishwasher. The manual says not dishwasher safe on it; however, I did not see that until later. Instead of being shiny silver it is now dull and has a pink/purple/green tinge to it. Is this safe to use again or should I discard it?

Cat Welz
- Vernon, Connecticut, USA
December 8, 2010


A. Hi, Cat.

I'd guess that the pink/purple/green tinge is a diffraction pattern caused by the very thin last of the anodized coating (sometimes you see automobile headlights shifting color as they approach you if they have anodized reflectors). With a ruined pot, this sounds like the perfect time to try Jim's proposed cure of boiling distilled water in it for 24 hours. Please let us know what happens!

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




A. There IS hope for dishwasher discolored aluminum items. My beautiful Arthur Court Measuring spoons were accidentally washed in the dishwasher. I researched on-line and decided the "least likely to do more damage" approach would be the Brillo pad [on eBay or Amazon affil links] solution. IT WORKED! I rubbed & scrubbed with a blue filled pad until they were covered in blue goo. This is going to take serious rubbing! Then I used a soft bristle brush & warm soapy water to briskly brush them repeatedly to remove all tarnish and blue goo. I used a little more dish detergent & clean warm water to brush them again and rinsed in warm water. Then I dried them with a soft clean towel. Never underestimate a Brillo Pad & elbow grease! Amazing! I am submitting photos.

Arthur Court measuring spoons 1 Arthur Court measuring spoons 2 Arthur Court measuring spoons 3
Arthur Court measuring spoons 4 Arthur Court measuring spoons 5

Amber Miller
- Iowa City, Iowa
January 26, 2013


Arthur Court measuring spoons on eBay or Amazon [affil links]

Q. Hi I want to try using Brillo & blue goo. Trying to fix up Arthur Court salad serving tongs. What is the blue goo?

N Murphy
- Alpharetta Georgia
February 16, 2024


A. Hi N,
I believe that Amber was referring to the soap that is already in the steel wool pad.
However, what might be confusing you is that I beleive the soap is actually pink in Brillo [on eBay or Amazon affil links] pads; it's SOS pads [on eBay or Amazon affil links] where the soap is tinted blue :-)
I doubt that it makes much difference which brand of scrub pad you use.
Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




Q. Hello. I have 2 vintage aluminum (I believe cast) decorative bowls, one of which is a Royal Hickman RH7 Signed Bruce Fox Aluminum Leaf Tray. After a party, my husband put them in the dishwasher and they now have lost their luster and there are darker streaks and spots. Is there a way to restore them?

Karen Caldwell
- Sonora, California
November 24, 2013


Royal Hickman Leaf Trays on eBay [affil link]



Glass Cooktop Cleaner

A. I sought this site because of discolored aluminum.

After reading some of the answers I picked up the sponge that I had just used with a preparation to clean my glass stove top. I spread it on the 50 year old "Wearever" Aluminum chicken fryer that had belonged to my mother. To my surprise, when I came back 10-15 minutes later, a lot of the discoloration was removed, I applied more and let it sit with a good result. Now I am treating the bottom of the pan.

It is identified as Weiman Cooktop Cleaner [on eBay or Amazon affil links] .

I haven't tried my cake pan yet.

Karen Kettleson
- Crosslake, Minnesota USA
February 26, 2015


thumbs up signDiscolored aluminum cake pan
This is an endorsement to Karen Kettleson's post dated 2/26/15. Weiman Cooktop Cleaner [on eBay or Amazon affil links] applied with a scouring pad and wiped off with paper towels did the trick for me. It took three passes but the pan was very heavily stained and is nearly spotless now. Note: please wash off the cleaner thoroughly before using your cookware. Thanks for posting, Karen.

Lydia Wiswell
Curexo Tech/ThinkSurgical - Cupertino, California, USA
January 31, 2016


thumbs up signAffirming the use of cooktop cleaner. The brand I used was Cerama Bryte [on eBay or Amazon affil links] and it almost completely restored the aluminum lid to my coffee urn. Yay!

Heather Alexander
- Wenatchee, Washington USA
February 24, 2016


A. Used Cerama Bryte [on eBay or Amazon affil links] and yellow scrubber that came with it and it removed all the white residue and most of the black from my cookie sheet. Thanks for the glasstop cleaner tip.

Michele acker
- Columbus Ohio usa
November 20, 2016


A. Based on other suggestions here, I used #0000 steel wool [on eBay or Amazon affil links] and glass stovetop (paste) cleaner, and it completely restored knives and other pieces that had been "ruined" for years.

Allyson Saaf
- San Antonio, Texas, USA
January 13, 2019




Barkeepers Friend

A. I was bummed to find my retro cake cover discolored from putting it in the dishwasher. Found the recommendations here and modified (can't help it, I'm a guy) some of the suggestions and results were spectacular.

I took damp paper towels folded X3, wrapped them around the cake cover; drizzled white vinegar [in bulk on eBay or Amazon affil links] atop the cover to seep into paper towels then put it in plastic shopping bags to soak. Removed them and made a paste out of Barkeepers Friend [on eBay or Amazon affil links] and water and scrubbed some with a scrub sponge.

Cleaner than it's ever been. Still some slight telltale signs of discoloration but I'm a happy guy; my cake won't go stale.

doug deane
- hyannis, Massachusetts
March 16, 2015


A. Try Barkeepers Friend [on eBay or Amazon affil links] . I made a paste and rub most of the grey off easily. soaked in water with some of the barkeepers friend for about 10 minutes, grabbed a scotch brite pad and with very little effort in less than 2 minutes it was like new.

Chad Wilkinson
- Sherburn, Minnesota
July 20, 2016


A. I read many of the responses, then combined all the knowledge gathered, along with what I had on hand, and discarding anything remotely dangerous, I came up with an amazing result. I tried it again & again with the same results.

aluminum sieve

My dishwashing disaster was a very old aluminum sieve that I loved. Here's what I did: I applied Barkeepers Friend [on eBay or Amazon affil links] , smeared it around with a folded wet paper towel, and let it sit for 5-10 minutes. Then I used the same wet paper towel to rub briskly back and forth over the area. I rinsed it well and the area was cleansed of the blackish mess! But it wasn't bright, as noted by others that had used that technique. But here's what I did differently: I topped it off with a very light rub of Brillo. Now it was shiny! And it didn't take hard and lengthy scrubbing/rubbing, and no scratches. (The scratches in my photos go back many years)

Renate Shanahan
- Edison, New Jersey, USA
November 7, 2017




Q. Hey everyone,
I was a goof this last weekend and washed my girlfriend's Starbucks stainless steel cups in the dishwasher. I just saw a sink full of dishes and a pile of clothes by the bed and did them all before I picked her up from work for dinner, but I might have ruined her favorite cups. She says the water she drinks from them tastes funny now. Is there any way to save the cups that she absolutely loves?

Thanks everyone!

Ken Newton
- Lake Stevens
February 8, 2016


A. Hi Ken. You're sure they are stainless steel rather than aluminum? I'm very surprised that a dishwasher would have such an effect on stainless steel cups. Stainless flatware goes into hundreds of millions of dishwashers every day. But if they are aluminum, this page is full of ideas for you :-)

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




Q. We rented our house and someone put aluminum pans in the dishwasher. I cannot get the black out of my dishwasher. HELP. Martha

Martha Dixon
- Bluffton South Carolina
August 13, 2016


? Hi Martha. I've heard of dishwashers damaging aluminum but I've never heard of aluminum damaging a dishwasher. Can you point us to any reference that leads you to believe this is the cause of the blackening? Are the surfaces in question plastic, or stainless, or what? Thanks!

Regards,

pic of Ted Mooney
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


Q. I got a new dishwasher with a stainless steel interior. It does all pots and pans, but two cake pans, turned dark gray and mottled. Could it be a chemical reaction between the stainless and the aluminum? They weren't affected in porcelain lined dishwasher. Any suggestions?

Kathy Britten
- Karlstad, Minnesota USA
May 5, 2017


A. Hi Kathy. The kind of reaction you are envisioning is electrochemical, and can only happen when there is actual physical contact (electrical continuity) between the aluminum and the stainless.

Whether the problem was some other stainless item touching the pan, a change to a more alkaline dishwasher detergent, or just gradual wear of some clear coating on the cake pans, or the higher temperature than newer dishwashers usually use, the thing remains: aluminum doesn't belong in a dishwasher which is using the conventional extremely alkaline dishwasher detergents; they destroy aluminum regardless of any other factors.

Regards,

pic of Ted Mooney
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey




Garlic Press

A. I tried using the cream of tartar [on eBay or Amazon affil links] and water paste since I had it on hand. It worked out pretty well I spent less than 10 minutes and may have achieved better results if I put more effort into it. I used it on my aluminum garlic press that went through the dishwasher: wiped for about 30 seconds with the paste then rinsed under cool water.

Amber Clark
- PORTERVILLE, California, USA
January 10, 2017


thumbs up sign  Thank you for this site! I had no idea my mother's 1950's garlic press was supposed to look this good!

garlic press

Now to tackle the antique 21.5 All American pressure canner I was just given.

Catherine Bradford
- Saint Louis, Missouri USA
August 24, 2017

Vintage Garlic Presses on eBay



Immersion in Heated Cream of Tartar solution

A. I just tried all the above suggestions on a formerly shiny, now tarnished, aluminum bowl. Forget the glass top cleaner, the lemon & salt, the lemon, the vinegar [in bulk on eBay or Amazon affil links] & baking soda.

After wasting 1 hr scrubbing, forget everything except: in a large pan add water & cream of tartar [on eBay or Amazon affil links] (I did about 2 T); heat to just below boiling; let pan/bowl/item sit until color changes to normal -- about 30 minutes. If you have a large bowl you will need to rotate it as the color changes. It's a lot easier than scrubbing for a long time.

Jo Polst
- Price, Utah USA
June 5, 2017


A. Hello,

A video on the laziest method to clean aluminum after dishwasher, no scrubbing needed -- Oven, roasting pan, and cream of tartar [on eBay or Amazon affil links] .

Enjoy!

Andrew Terrence
- Chicago, Illinois
June 18, 2017




Stove Burners

A. Hi I have a SMEG oven and decided to put the burners in the dishwasher. After 10 mins they looked like they were ruined. I searched to find a way to rectify this - I tried vinegar, coke, polish etc. Nothing worked until I found Silvo tarnish guard [on eBay or Amazon affil links] . I polished for ages and voila they are shining again. I am in England if that makes any odds

discolored gas stove burners from dishwasher 15155-3c   discolored gas stove burners from dishwasher 15155-3a   discolored gas stove burners from dishwasher 15155-3e   discolored gas stove burners from dishwasher 15155-3d   discolored gas stove burners from dishwasher 15155-3b  
gas stove burners cleaned with Silvo

Jackie Cayless
- south ockendon essex
November 20, 2017

Gas Burner Heads & Caps on eBay or Amazon

A. Have similar SMEG cooker with similar burners which also turned black in the dishwasher. A Brillo pad [on eBay or Amazon affil links] removed this and restored back to a shiny finish in minutes.

Jon Pearce
- London, England
November 26, 2017




Q. Bought a set of Mid Century aluminum canisters. One was dark and spotty so I got some metal polish and worked on it. It is still much darker than the rest. Is that fixable? or do I need to just, well, find another one that matches :)

Victoria Henderson
- Ozark, Missouri
January 22, 2018


Ammonium Citrate

A. Try ammonium citrate 5% pH 7 solution (dissolve 50 gms citric acid [on eBay or Amazon affil links] in 1 lit water and add some ammonia [on eBay or Amazon affil links] until pH is 7). Hope it helps and good luck!

Goran Budija
- Cerovski vrh Croatia


Q. My jumbo Bialetti espresso pot (cast aluminum went from shiny and smooth to charcoal-black after a wash with Cascade Platinum.
I tried scotch-brute scrub, brillo scrub, cream of tartar in boiling water soak for 6 hours. Pot is brighter but remains dull and black smudges appear if I use a paper towel to wipe it. I'l try buffing next, but I can't easily buff the interior. Has anyone tried the ammonium citrate method suggested above (from Zagreb, Croatia) ??

fred buehrer
retired - Manchester, New Hampshire
July 16, 2018

Ed. note: Goran is a metals conservator for a museum; as far as we're concerned, anything he suggests is virtually guaranteed :-)



Does Dishwasher Detergent or Dishwasher's Stainless Interior Cause It?

A. My experience with Cascade Platinum [on eBay or Amazon affil links] is that it takes off the metal from utensils and pots & pans, and makes spoons black. I have no idea what causes this, but as far as a dishwasher detergent, it's the best out there and works exactly how they describe it. So keep the metal out and you will be okay.

J. Miller
- Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
March 27, 2018


Q. The aluminum corrosion problem with our new Bosch dishwasher is that anything aluminum is just plain eaten up: measuring spoons, garlic press, and, aluminum bottoms of otherwise stainless steel Farberware pots and pans. Nothing like this has happened in the 40 years of washing the Farberware in dishwashers. On the pot bottoms, it can start off with a coppery/bronze tint but progresses to pitting. This is our first stainless-steel-interior dishwasher, and it no doubt runs at the highest temperature in our experience. No change in detergent (Cascade Platinum, 15X Power). I get that there's chemistry going on, but why now? And what can be done to stop it from happening? The wife will not wash the pots by hand (I do most of the cooking).

Richard Kerr
- Bethesda, Maryland, USA
April 18, 2018


A. Hi Richard. I have a Bosch dishwasher with stainless interior as well, but we don't put aluminum in the dishwasher; it's just a bad idea. Personally I don't think the stainless interior is the problem, but you may be on the right track with the water temperature. Maybe you can turn down the water heater as long as the clothes washer keeps working.

Regards,

pic of Ted Mooney
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


A. With more research and a bit of experimentation, the appearance of aluminum corrosion with a new dishwasher can likely be attributed to a combination of:
previous removal of phosphates (which had some protective effect) from dishwasher detergents;
the addition of more corrosive agents to detergents to make up for the missing phosphates;
the higher water temperature of the new dishwasher;
the higher concentration of detergent in a more water-efficient dishwasher;
and the longer contact time of the new dishwasher.

Switching from Cascade Platinum (15X) to plain old Cascade (10X) helps a good deal but does not eliminate corrosion. Aluminum-clad pots will have to endure it; the rest of the aluminum will be replaced with stainless steel.

Richard Kerr [returning]
- Bethesda, Maryland, USA


Q. Back to the Farberware and Bosch dishwasher discussion ... I also have 40 year old aluminum-clad Farberware that I've been washing in the DW all along. Suddenly the aluminum bottoms started turning white and chalky. I cleaned them with SOS pad [on eBay or Amazon affil links] successfully. What has worked for me is changing detergents. Mrs. Meyer's pacs [on eBay or Amazon affil links] are the only detergent I have found that don't make the aluminum white. Must have a different chemical formula. We do have a lot of lime in the water here, but have a softener, and that has not changed.

Kathy Miner
- Madison Wisconsin
October 3, 2020




Meat Grinders

Q. So I just washed my new meat grinder in the dishwasher, and got the same effect... boil it in water for a day to get rid of the grime? Or just buy new from the manufacturer? Totally not worried about it being shiny. Just want to make some sausage.

Matt Kohser
- Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania United States
December 30, 2018


A. Hi Matt. Sorry about that. The manufacturer should probably have warned you. I personally like the cream of tartar [on eBay or Amazon affil links] answer the best if the grinder is made of aluminum (I think most are actually steel or iron with tin plating -- check it with a magnet).

Regards,

pic of Ted Mooney
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


Q. Hi I just put my meat grinder parts in the dishwasher and all came out grey. Black just kept coming off, I read on Pinterest about ketchup cleaning aluminum, it worked great [they say], just coat the pieces , let sit for 5 min. wipe with lots of paper towels, repeat if you need to, then rinse with water. I haven't used it yet. Can I still use the parts even though they aren't shiny?

Dorothy Turner
retired - RR#1 Dashwood canada
August 29, 2019


A. Hi Dorothy. I am not familiar with the use of ketchup on aluminum (cream of tartar seems the most highly suggested fix on this site). But if the ketchup solves the problem, great. There is no need for aluminum to be shiny for it to be safe and usable. Good luck with it. However, again, are you sure those parts are aluminum rather than tin-plated cast iron or steel?

Regards,

pic of Ted Mooney
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


Q. @ Matt_Kohser Mine came out the same, dark grey/black but still shiny black, almost like enamel and the black doesn't really come off. Is it safe to use it for grinding meat or should I throw it away? Did you get any results from anything you tried?

Thomas Murphy
- Honolulu
March 30, 2022


A. Hi Thomas. You directed your question to Matt, who was speaking of his new meat grinder, and it looks like you are referring to a meat grinder as well? The problem here is that you/he/we seem to be assuming these grinders are made of aluminum, such that the procedures used for repairing aluminum finishes should be used -- but I don't think they are :-)

Does the weight of your unit lead you to believe it's made of aluminum (aluminum is 2-1/2 to 3X lighter than most other metals). Have you checked it with a magnet to make sure it's not cast iron or steel? Was it originally a shiny chrome-like look (perhaps stainless steel), or was it a softer, very slightly whitish or slightly yellowish color (perhaps tun plated)? I am not certain, but I believe most older hand-operated meat grinders were actually made of tin-plated cast iron (tin plating is not only corrosion resistant but extremely food-safe). That might be what you have. If so, I think you'll find topic 5106 more informative and helpful than this one about aluminum.

Luck & Regards,

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Protecting Aluminum by boiling again?

Q. Good morning, been searching around for answers and most have linked me back to this page. Nice work by all.

My situation/ Question:

Purchased a used dirty/moldy electric food slicer. Cleaned most by hand. In a weak moment, I put the food carrier portion in the dishwasher, thinking it was stainless. Needless to say it was aluminum and it came out oxidized and ugly. Tried lemon juice, vinegar, barkeeper's friend all with varying results. Ended up hitting it with a 320 grit 3M scotchbrite pad [on eBay or Amazon affil links] and it evened up the finish and gave a slight shine.

"The Surface
Treatment &
Finishing of
Aluminium and
Its Alloys"

by Wernick, Pinner
& Sheasby

pinner
on AbeBooks

or eBay or

Amazon
(note: this book is two volumes)

(affil links)

Now on to protecting it. It's the actual food carrier so chemicals are out. I read a few posts referring to "Wernick Pinner and Sheasby"
-- don't mind buying or checking out a book, but I'm afraid this one would make my head hurt. The process referred to was to boil the Aluminum parts for 24 hours in distilled water & doing that "will put a thin but highly protective coating on the aluminum". But the posts were not followed up with results. Someone also mentioned "If you plan on using these mugs for drinking, thin coat of sulfuric anodizing should suffice. Just seal in DI water" but not sure of that process.
I have a 15-gallon stainless brew kettle with a stainless heating element that would be big and powerful enough to do the boil. Which leads me to two questions:
Has anyone done this successfully?
Will the Distilled water harm the stainless kettle during the process?
Do you have any other recommendations for my situation that would be "food safe"
Thanks!

JAMES TONELLI
Hobbyist - Woodbridge, New Jersey USA
February 5, 2020


A. Hi James.
Hundreds of millions (if not billions) of people have boiled water in aluminum and/or stainless steel for many generations, so it's certainly 'food safe' as far as most people view it (some, of course, feel that cooking in aluminum pots or high quality stainless is dangerous).

Although it is not impossible to do sulfuric acid anodizing at home, this is a multi-step process involving acquisition of equipment, chemicals, and knowledge that you are not going to want to learn, practice, and do for the sake of a pot or tumbler or two.

As for "has anyone done this successfully", no one has responded in this forum yet, but this is the back story: Aluminum is a very active metal that oxidizes instantly, automatically leaving a very thin oxide coating on the surface. Sulfuric acid anodizing is an approach that employs electricity and acid to engineer that oxide coating to maximum thickness, utility and corrosion resistance. Boiling in D.I. water for up to 24 hours is a compromise between doing nothing and sulfuric acid anodizing.

I think authoritative sources like Wernick Pinner and Sheasby indicate that it can be of some value and that the thickness will continue to build for up to 24 hours. It's perhaps possible that scholar.google.com might locate a controlled study if you're more patient than me, but the book you referenced is internationally accepted by professionals in the aluminum treatment industry as the absolute authority on aluminum treatments :-)

Regards,

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A. There are many chemical oxidation processes for aluminum; try USPTO gov website (expired patents). Sodium aluminate, potassium ferricyanide, ferric citrate, or potassium permanganate and calcium hydroxide based are just some of them ... Hope it helps and good luck

Goran Budija
- Zagreb,Croatia




Wire brush inside of aluminum pot

Q. I have used a circular wire brush in a drill to clean my 40 year old aluminum pot. Is there any problem with this? Was pot likely coated? Is brushed surface going to allow metal particles to now be combined with cooked foods?

David Preddy
- Henrico, Virginia
February 13, 2020


A. Hi David. The Q&A immediately above yours seems applicable. This site has, without exaggeration, hundreds of references and opinions covering both sides of the question of whether aluminum is safe. Please search the site with the term "safety of aluminum" if you have time to spend on the question. If not, all I can say is some people (including me) think it's safe, based largely on the fact that hundreds of millions of families have cooked with it for generation after generation and no 'smoking gun'; some think it's not safe and you'll even find "aluminum-free" underarm deodorant for sale.

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
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Rust Spots

Q. I pulled out a pie dish I use infrequently and saw that there appeared to be some minor rust spots on it. I washed it with a scour pad and dish soap without results so I decided to give C-L-R a try. This was a mistake and I appear to have stripped the shiny finish off the dish. I've tried googling to see if this would affect the safety on the dish but haven't found any results. I don't expect to be able to restore it because this isn't the black dishwasher stains described in this thread but rather the CLR that has stripped the metal itself. Thoughts?

Vanessa Peter
- Toronto Ontario
December 27, 2020


A. Hi Vanessa. When you mention "rust" the first thing we need to confirm is that you're talking about aluminum because it can't rust -- it can never get that orange-brown stuff because there isn't any iron in it to produce rust. Please test with a magnet because aluminum is non-magnetic.

I suspect you have a tin-plated steel pan, but let's confirm aluminum vs. steel part first. Trying to figure out how to repair a material by following instructions for repairing a different material is to follow the will-o'-the-wisp into the marsh :-)

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
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Percolator Parts

Q. I have a vintage Pyrex stove-top percolator and ran the guts (glass basket and stem, and aluminum, I assume, top and bottom strainer) through the dishwasher. I'm not happy at what happened to the two aluminum parts, but can live with it. What I'm wondering is, will it be okay to use them, as-is, from a health perspective?

Linda Linder
Retired - Livonia, Michigan
January 11, 2022


A. Hi Linda. It's safe enough to suit me and many others, but some people think any aluminum at all is unsafe -- the deodorant shelf at the drugstore now has brands prominently labeled "Aluminum-Free!"

Please see discussions of aluminum safety on thread 8962 or 22551. Good luck.

Luck & Regards,

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thumbs up sign Thanks, Ted! I'll try both strings you mentioned. Take care...

Linda Linder [returning]
- Livonia, Michigan




Dishwasher Tarnishes Pots & Pans

Q. How do you prevent the dishwasher from tarnishing my aluminum pots and pans?

Trapper Harms
Retired - Coon Rapids Minnesota
April 19, 2022


A. Unfortunately you don't. Unless you have new pots with specially designed coatings labeled as dishwasher-safe, the alkalinity of dishwasher detergents will tarnish them or worse.

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
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Whink Rust Stain Remover

A. For aluminum discolored by running thru the dishwasher I've had good luck with a product called Whink Rust Stain Remover [on eBay or Amazon affil links] . (1.5-3.5% hydrofluoric acid). Use the non-scratch abrasive dish sponges (the blue or white ones) and apply a little bit, it doesn't take much, and rub gently. I'll then rinse, apply some Barkeepers Friend [on eBay or Amazon affil links] , make a thin paste and rub gently with the same non-scratching sponge for a couple minutes or you can let it soak and come back after a few minutes for a rinse, re-wash and dry.
Try it. You may be surprised.

Andrew Klakken
- Graham, Washington
wikipedia
Hydrofluoric Acid

16370_HF_burns
"HF burns, not evident until a day after"
by Dr. Charles Eaton

(http://www.handcenter.org/resumee/resumee.html)

A. Hi Andrew.

Whink contains hydrofluoric acid (HF), as you mentioned. Concentrated HF is life threatening, and although the concentration in Whink is quite low, I urge readers to get the Safety Data Sheet for Whink and to fully investigate HF's hazards before using products which contain it. At the least, wear disposable latex [on eBay or Amazon affil links] or nitrile [on eBay or Amazon affil links] gloves; personally I wouldn't use HF in any concentration without calcium gluconate neutralizing gel [on eBay or Amazon affil links] on hand in case there is skin contact.
Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
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Stained Hands from Gray Ice Cream Scoop

Q. Hello
I have an Arthur Court Cow Ice Cream scoop that is made of an aluminum alloy and it is leaving gray marks on my hands at this point. I didn't know not to put it in the dishwasher, so I'm sure that is the problem. All the posts on sites talk about how to get stains off, but my problem is not stains on the scoop, it's on my hands. Is there a way to stop the finish from coming off on my hands?

Thank you!

Paula Coughlin
- Homer Glen Illinois
October 25, 2022

Arthur Court Ice Cream Scoop on eBay

A. Hi Paula. I think it's actually the same problem, i.e., loosely adherent oxides. I think the cream of tartar scrub will solve the problem, and thereafter only hand wash it.

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
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thumbs up sign Thanks, I will try that!
Paula

Paula Coughlin [returning]
- Homer Glen Illinois
October 27, 2022




Q. I've ruined my vintage juicer container in dishwasher :-(
I put two parts of my juicer into the dishwasher. They were shiny now they are gray and the surface feels matte. There was powder on it when I got it out of the dishwasher.

vintage juicer 41066-8b   vintage juicer 41066-8a  

What can I use to restore the shine? A magnet will not stick to the pieces.

Jennifer Nicholson
- London, Kentucky
December 22, 2022

Juice King Vintage Juicers on eBay

A. Hi Jennifer. Dishwasher detergents are strongly alkaline, and aluminum cannot take that alkalinity. As you can see from this l-o-n-g page, you're far from the first to have put aluminum in the dishwasher.

My feeling, from my own experience and having read a lot of postings and watching a number of videos, is that the cream of tartar [on eBay or Amazon affil links] polishing is the most reliable solution, but you might try a Brillo pad as suggested by Amber M if you have one handy.

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
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