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How to make potassium gold cyanide



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A discussion started in 1998 but continuing through 2018

April 6, 2013

Q. I want to set up manufacturing unit of GPC. Please help me with some standard good quality machine manufacturers.

Rohit Agarwal
- Hyderabad, India


April 8, 2013

!! Hi Rohit. If any readers offer any manufacturer names, we'll post them here. But testimonials about "how good the quality is" aren't compatible with an essentially anonymous public forum. Sorry.

Regards,

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July 14, 2013

Q. I want to know if there is hydrogen cyanide released when pumping air into potassium cyanide solution when gold is being dissolved? Is there hydrogen cyanide released when gold plating if there is still free cyanide in the solution? If gold is dissolved by potassium cyanide solution can the solution be used to gold plate? Does gold have to be electrolysed into the solution or is this an alternative method to a gold plating solution? It's a bit confusing. I have also read that hydrogen peroxide speeds up oxygenation in gold cyanidization -- is there any truth to that? Thank you.

Does the process that Walther Grot describes release dangerous hydrogen cyanide? I have done similar but with cyanate and the results were incredible BUT it rubs off. Yes, it rubs off with ammonia base Brasso cleaner.

Dennis Courvier
- Detroit, Michigan


October 9, 2013

Q. Dear author
We have done all the steps mentioned above and we reached a yellowish salt and we think that it contains some amounts of chloride. What should we do to reach to PGC?
Can you tell me more about the washing step?
Thank for your help in advance.
Regards
iman

Iman Zandi
- Tehran, Iran



November 30, 2013

Q. These posts are very helpful for the processes, but I can't find anything about what amount of KCN to water to use for making the solution. Does anyone know?

Eliana Ismé
- Amador City, California, USA


December 5, 2013

A. Hello Eliana,
Your question is how much KCN is needed to add to water to make the solution? Or is it potassium gold aurocyanide you are talking about? If it is PGC you are asking about, you can't just add it to water and expect to plate with it. Please be more specific with your question.

Mark Baker
Process Engineer - Malone, New York, USA


December 5, 2013

Q. May I pose an ethical question?

Should we be encouraging people who obviously have no knowledge of even basic chemistry to handle seriously toxic materials? In most parts of the world, cyanides are simply not available to the general public and I know of universities that will not allow degree level students to use it.

Before using cyanides, or any other chemical, you should be able to answer the question - Do I know what to do when (not if) something goes wrong?

With cyanides there may be no second chance. This area should be strictly left to the professionals.

geoff smith
Geoff Smith
Hampshire, England


Hi Geoff. We actively discourage amateurs on this and dozens of very similar threads. We remind them that the internet, like a library, is a one-room schoolhouse where they will read about stuff they can't safely do. We suggest books, and we explain the need for hands-on haz-mat training and chemistry knowledge, etc. When they read your response (from someone who is a true cyanide expert), I hope it completely dissuades them! Still, people sometimes cannot be dissuaded.

I think it is an excellent idea to keep telling people "Don't attempt this at home", but I don't find it realistic to believe that erecting a wall of silence can sufficiently deter them as to make the world a safer place. If they simply google "how to make cyanide" there are instructions with no warnings at all written by deliberate troublemakers. We have several threads here on "gold recovery" where we are criticized (even by trained first responders!!) for not providing enough detail to untrained amateurs, thus (per their claim) encouraging people to experiment with no knowledge instead of with some knowledge. We can't win :-)

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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September 25, 2014

I think cyanides could be handled safely by an informed layman. One just must never, ever, forget what one is dealing with.

dave wichern
Dave Wichern
Consultant - The Bronx, New York


Hi. I have to disagree with you Dave.
When I taught safety in plating, I tried to draw interest by starting with this question: "A person who is well trained in safety [will / will not] sometimes do unsafe things?"

It usually took some in the class a while to get on board with the right answer, but when they did they realized why we need disciplinary rules for not wearing PPE, for working alone, for not ticking the checklist, etc., because someday somehow they absolutely will "forget what they are working with". I don't think anyone has the necessary self-discipline to work safely 100% of the time on their own when the dangers are that omnipresent :-)

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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September 16, 2014

Q. Dear Anton, could you please inform the percentage (ratio) of concentrate KCN solution? How many gram KCN in how many ml water? Thanks.

Can Gokten
- Istanbul, TURKEY



August 29, 2016

Q. We are doing gold recovery process from plating impurity. When we manufactured gold potassium cyanide based on the instruction above, we get salt with good purity. But, the salt becomes yellowish color after 12 hours of storage.
Can you tell us the reason for this and what mistake we would have done, during our manufacturing process?

ragu elango
- chennai tamilnadu India


August 31, 2016

A. Hello, are you using plain ammonia or ammonium oxalate? What is your drying process? Vacuum drying is a necessity.

Mark Baker
Process Engineer - Phoenix Arizona


Preparation/Extraction of Potassium Cyanide

December 2, 2017

Q. I am a research student and want to extract gold for which I require potassium cyanide. How can I prepare/extract potassium cyanide? From which source will the extraction be fruitful? What is its cost per gram?

Sana Shaikh
- Mumbai, Maharshtra, India


December 2017

A. Hi Sana. You should probably buy the potassium cyanide rather than attempting to make it. But check that your research facility permits the making or using of potassium cyanide and that you have the proper safeguards on hand, and have received hands-on haz-mat training first. If you must make it, a google search will instantly reveal a number of troublemaker sites which teach how to make cyanide and even worse poisons at home; you start by making ferrocyanide.

Regards,

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December 19, 2017

Q. Thank you Chris Owen,
Not only answering my question (on letter 7022,"How to strip plated silver off copper") but giving me some more knowledge about metal recovery.
From what I am gathering by now I think I am in the right company to ask a question which I tried to find answers on the net. Unsuccessful.
I know it takes one gold molecule and two Cyanide molecules to dissolve gold.
How does this equate to weight.
How much weight of cyanide is required to dissolve one troy ounce of gold?

Thank you for your help.

Alfred

Alfred Fischer
- Canberra Australia


December 25, 2017

A. Alfred,

Theoretically, it would take 98.04g of sodium cyanide, NaCN, or 130.22g of potassium cyanide, KCN, to combine with 196.967g of gold to form either NaAu(CN)2 or KAu(CN)2. In practice, since cyanide chemicals are fairly unstable and due to the fact that there are several chemical steps in the process, it will probably take some extra cyanide.

Chris Owen
- Benton, Arkansas, USA


December 28, 2017

A. Hi Alfred
Chris has answered your direct question but don't think that simply adding gold to a cyanide solution will result in potassium gold cyanide.
The actual result is wet, and now toxic, gold.
Gold is extracted from ore with cyanide but it is in a finely divided state and oxygen, usually from air, is needed for any reaction to proceed. Commercial GPC is commonly produced electrolytically.
Your probability of success is low and the probability of losing much of your gold is high, not to mention the hazards of the operation.
Your most profitable, and safest, strategy would be to sell your gold to a supplier of plating salts.

PS Please don't even think of using hydrogen peroxide to provide oxygen to the cyanide. The smallest splash on the skin is incredibly painful. It is the only time I have witnessed pentathol administered for pain -- and it was only partly successful.

geoff smith
Geoff Smith
Hampshire,
      England



February 6, 2018

A. Potassium cyanide kill a person.

Simi harkesh
SimKnn - Pali ,rajasthan,india



February 5, 2018

Q. Hi,
We manufacture Gold and Silver plating Chemicals. I want to know how can we remove the chloride content from the final output, or alternately, how do we manufacture chloride free GPC?

Harish Shetty
- Bangalore, Karnataka, India


February 21, 2018

Q. Dear All,
I have a mixture of Potassium gold(III) cyanide and Potassium Chloride (KAu(CN)4+ KCl).
How i can separate Potassium gold(III) cyanide from Potassium Chloride solution?

Jalal Jafari
- Isfahan, Iran



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