topic 21693
Sealing Aluminum to prevent oxidation?
Some clearcoating solutions (adv.)
A discussion started in 2003 but continuing through 2019
2003Q. I am a manufacturer of custom machined aluminum parts, both polished and brushed aluminum, and I would like to know the most economical way to prevent oxidization and keep a long lasting finish on the product. All of the parts that I make are for automotive detail/finishing for either engine compartments or interior such as radio trim pieces, speaker grilles, sill plates, radiator covers, etc.
Kyle Williams- Omaha, Nebraska, United States
2003
A. Hello, Kyle. The two common alternative approaches would be anodizing or clear coating (which in turn can be one part or two-part, applied by spray or brush, or a powder coating). They are all rather different, and it may depend a bit on the look you want as well.
Multiple approaches exist because there is no one best approach for all conditions. It may be that anodizing is appropriate for some of the parts and different types of clear coating for the others ... but since you asked for "most economical", a one-part spray-on or brush-on clearcoat will surely win by that measure.
Good luck
Ted Mooney, P.E.
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"
2003
A. I've been using a spray clear coating on architectural aluminum for 2 decades with wonderful results.
Bruce Smith
metal refinisher - Hayward, Wisconsin, United States
2006
Q. Please tell me more about chemical that can be used for sealing of aluminum material.
Thanks.
- Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
May 30, 2008
Q. How can I find the spray on sealer for Aluminum?
Thanks Rob
- Embudo, New Mexico, USA
May 2008
A. Hello, Nguyen, Hello, Kyle.
One-part clear coats for aluminum are available from many sources including Everbrite [a finishing.com supporting advertiser]. Two-part clear coats are available as "automotive clear coat"; these cure by chemical reaction (like epoxy) rather than by drying, so they typically use professional spray equipment, but they can apparently be done with specialized aerosol cans which spray both components at once =>
Good luck.
Ted Mooney, P.E.
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"
November 17, 2010
Q. What clear topcoat (brand) is best to protect brushed aluminum? I have used Rolite Premium polish and sealant that wipes on and off with some success, but I want to retain that bare, metallic look so am looking for the optimum sealant/protection.
Tom PopeFinisher - Clearwater, Florida, USA
November 16, 2010
A. Hi, Tom. Sorry, but we only talk technical issues here, comparing types of clearcoats and their technologies, not specific brands (why?) :-)
But Everbrite [a finishing.com supporting advertiser] is certainly a reputable brand.
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E.
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"
January 18, 2012
Q. What can I use for sealing edges of anodized aluminum weldment? I'm trying to seal the unwelded portion. Corrosion is starting to leach out. Clear or dark gray caulking sealant?
armando amoranto- Seattle, Washington usa
January 20, 2012
A. Hi, Armando. The best surface protection would probably be chromate conversion coating followed by a 2-component or powder coated clearcoat on any surface that isn't anodized.
But when you suggest caulk, it sounds like you are talking about a capillary crevice, such as between two sheets in a stack. Sealing in the remnants of acid doesn't sound promising to me, but better rinsing during the anodizing process (hot & cold, and including a dilute nitric acid or sodium bicarbonate dip) usually helps. Alternately, sealing the parts with an anaerobic adhesive before anodizing may work too. Good luck.
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E.
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"
May 19, 2016
Q. What would you recommend for cast/extruded aluminum materials, to protect the powder coating from oxidation or fading?
Paulena Jaks- Toronto, Ontario, Canada
A. Hi Paulena. The substrates must be properly pretreated before powder coating, which probably means a chromate process or tri-chrome process (please see Mil-DTL-5541 [link is to free spec at Defense Logistics Agency, dla.mil] for this). Then a polyester powder coating rated for UV resistance.
If you can offer details of your situation, you can probably get specifically targeted advice rather than just truisms :-)
Luck & Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"
June 5, 2016
Just saying thanks for the info. It really helped.
- Mechanicsville Virginia USA
July 6, 2016
Q. Hi. Just read your responses to the clear coating of aluminum.
I am working on restoring lawn chairs which have tubular aluminum legs and arms. Some I am replacing while others will be re-used. Some of those have marks, grime, pits and stains. I have burnished with 000 steel wool. Is there any recommendations for a layperson? I was wondering if a 'dry lube' could work but would prefer a clear coat?
Your thoughts?
Mike
- Cleveland Hts, Ohio
August 11, 2016
Q. Please advise if there is a product to seal painted aluminum soffit to slow or stop the growth of mildew. I really don't understand what is happening, on the front of my garage, one side of the soffit is clear of mildew but at the seam it starts to mildew and follows that piece the rest of the way across. there are other places that do the same thing. Looking for a solution and thank you for any light you can shed on the subject.
dee moore- savannah, Georgia USA
February 5, 2017
A. Dee,
Your paint supplier can sell you specialty primers and paints designed for this particular problem. A couple of ideas: Check gutters and moisture sources to be sure excessive moisture is not affecting the problem areas. Frequent power washing and scrubbing may be needed. Mildew hates hot dry sunlight so maybe it's time to trim some tree limbs.
Feather Hollow Eng.
Stockton, California
December 20, 2016
Q. Hi,
I recently polished the wheels and front forks, etc., on my 1998 Honda F6 motorcycle and wanted to protect the shine and more so to stop oxidation. The original aluminum was protected by a clear coat which the manufacturer applied. Can I apply a one or two part clear onto the parts? Will it adhere. I have spray equipment.
- Galway, Ireland
Repairing oxidation (and protecting) aluminum garden stools
February 27, 2017Q. Hi,
I recently purchased these aluminum garden stools for outdoors =>
after a few days in the rain, they oxidized and have spots all over them! :(
I didn't exactly think that one through, as there has been a lot of rain in my area recently.
I purchased Star brite Aluminum Cleaner, which I noticed has sulfuric acid in it.
My questions...
- will Star brite (I hope) repair the oxidation?
- after removing the damage from oxidation, I'd like to protect it from further incidents.
I'm planning to use Rust Oleum 280702 American Accents Ultra Cover 2X Spray Paint, Gloss Clear by Rust-Oleum to seal it. Will this work well to protect it during rain, and from oxidizing?
Should I polish it before I seal it, say with Mothers Mag & Aluminum Polish?
Thank you for your help! :-D
Laura
- Huntington Beach, California
Q. I work for a group that travels with horses. Several stalls are partially aluminum and wham the horses run on them (scratching themselves) they tend to get aluminum dust stains. This is lousy before a show on white horses.
What would be a suggestion to safely seal the stalls?
Safe for the animals in case they lick it.
Thank you so much.
Odysseo - Portland, Oregon USA
Clearcoat for deeply brushed aluminum
May 1, 2018
Q. I am trying to put a protective sealant on some aluminum patio furniture. It is a brushed aluminum, but with a very deep grain. I bought Everbrite ProtectaClear for the application. This is actually the third time I've used their products. I have always had good success with them. But this time when it dried there is a definite roughness which, even with light strokes, causes it to flake off. Previous applications were on smooth metals without a grain.
I followed the directions, cleaning off the new metal with denatured alcohol and then applied two coats with over a 1 hour drying time in between.
I believe the grain of the brushed aluminum is so deep that as it dries between the peaks and valleys it is causing this easily flaking result.
I am going to remove it with Xylene as per their website's recommendations. Will do a test spot to make sure it doesn't discolor the aluminum.
Any recommendations on either how to improve this application or do I need a thicker type of coating? One that would level out over the grain. Like a shellac for metal, if that exists. Would a spray on clear coating do better?
Any help would be appreciated.
- Staten Island, New York, USA
May 11, 2018
Q. I am building a hotrod, I'm doing fine with brushing and polishing all the aluminum parts. Now I need a clear finish that will withstand some heat. Any ideas?
Ron CorriganRetired - Holden, Missouri, USA
July 12, 2018
Q. I bought a highly polished aluminum propeller blade that I would like to install outside as a garden sculpture. What product will protect this from weatherization? A company recommended Protectaclear - would this work, and if so, can it be applied directly to the object without any advance surface preparation?
- Rochester New York USA
July 2018
A. Hi Anne. We don't post recommendations of one proprietary product over another (why?)
But, yes, Protectaclear from Everbrite [a finishing.com supporting advertiser] is a reputable product for the purpose. It would be unusual if your item were completely free of dirt and fingerprints; it probably should be lightly scrubbed with dish detergent before coating. Good luck.
Regards,
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"
April 7, 2019
Q. Hi everyone!
I make a polespear for lionfish out of type 6061 1/2" aluminum tubing and need to find a decent clearcoat for these shafts after bright polishing. Suggestions?
Keep in mind they are exposed to a lot of salt water and sunshine!
I'd love to hear any suggestions!
W
- Sidney BC Canada
April 13, 2019
A. Aluminum should not be in autoclave tanks, automobile bumpers, or anywhere near salt water -- use stainless steel tubing.
Robert H Probert
Robert H Probert Technical Services
Garner, North Carolina
and co-author of The Sulfamate Nickel How-To Guide
April 13, 2019
Q. Sir.
With all due respect there are dozens of aluminium boat manufacturers in the Pacific northwest these days! I am using the same grade metal in my product. Surely someone has a more positive response to my question! Thanks though ...
W
- Sidney BC Canada
April 2019
A. Hi Walt. If you go with aluminum, the best approach would be full proper pretreatment including alkaline cleaning, etch, de-smut, and Mil-DTL-5541 [link is to free spec at Defense Logistics Agency, dla.mil] chromate conversion coating followed by 2-part epoxy coating or other coating which relies on 'curing' rather than 'drying' (UV cured, powder coating, etc.)
Full mirror appearance may not be compatible with sufficient corrosion resistance, but you could try a single-component clearcoat like Everbrite [a finishing.com supporting advertiser] or a 2-part automotive clearcoat, with or without the chromate, and see if you are satisfied with either. Other readers are encouraged to suggest types and technologies of clearcoats or other corrosion resisting treatments, but there are dozens if not hundreds of individual brands and we cannot post testimonials to any specific brand or supplier (why?). Good luck.
Economics, weight, appearance and other factors may well demand that this product be made of aluminum! Still, Robert Probert is an internationally known expert on aluminum finishing. Finishing.com alone has sold well over 600 copies of his book without a single request for a return for credit -- so other readers considering other tubular products for salt water use may find his response quite valuable even if it's not a positive one for you. And since we have well over 100 readers of postings for every writer of one, his response certainly earns its presence here :-)
Regards,
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"
April 13, 2019
Q. That is all very helpful information!
You are right about economics and weight in regards to the polespears we're making. They are lightweight and fast which is what our customers appreciate.
And yes a single component clearcoat suits us better for economic and time constraint/production reasons. We currently use a product called 'sharkhyde' that does the job but I wonder if there is a better one to try?
I will look into Everbrite as you suggested.
Thank you gentlemen!
W
- Sidney BC Canada
April 2019
A. You're welcome, Walt, and best of luck! But we're not going to post any comments comparing different brands and proprietary products.
Regards,
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"
April 16, 2019
adv.
It is possible to anodize aluminum to what looks like ceramic or glass, super strong and corrosion resistant layer. It will definitely stand salt water conditions. Depending on aluminum alloy composition, the color can be glass-white, blue or greenish. The average thickness is 30-50 microns. See images attached.
(thickness of ceramic anodizing)
(pores)
Contact me for samples testing.
April 16, 2019
Thank you Anna!
That is definitely something we'll consider down the road.
I appreciate the advice!
Walt
- Sidney BC Canada
June 19, 2019
Q. I have a cast aluminum fountain which all the paint has flaked off due to corrosion underneath. How would I refinish this so the corrosion does not occur again?
Georgia Arriola- Tamuning Guam
June 2019
A. Hi Georgia. You should sand it as smooth as practical to reduce the number and depth of pits. Then, if you are an industrially qualified applicator, you should do cleaning and chromating (Alodine). If not, you can apply rust-inhibitor -- this is designed for steel, not aluminum, but it will at least etch the aluminum. Then you can apply a primer made for aluminum, and then top coats of whatever color and gloss you prefer. Good luck.
Regards,
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"
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