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topic 21436

Cleaning & Removing oxidation from Bronze Gravemarkers


A discussion started in 2003 but continuing through 2019

2003

Q. Trying to remove oxidation from bronze markers of family members graves, In the past several years I have used about every commercial cleaner on the market. None have solved the problem. Is there a chemical solution available to individuals that will remove oxidation from bronze?

Would sincerely appreciate any information you can give me to solve this problem.

Charles S [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- Satsuma, Alabama, USA


2004

Q. I am also looking for a product or a method which will allow me to clean and restore two bronze grave markers of the type given by the VA to veterans. One has been on the ground for 27 years, the other only 18 months, but is still deteriorating or dulling.

Walter M [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- El Dorado Hills, California, USA


2005

Simple Green Cleaner

A. After trying many chemicals, I tried Simple Green with much success. I sprayed it on full strength, used a stiff bristle brush and then rinsed thoroughly. After doing this twice, I am quite satisfied with the result. Not quite like new, but not bad.

Walter M [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- El Dorado Hills, California USA


2005

A. Well, one thing that I did that removed oxidation the best was a mixture of vinegar and salt together that makes a acid that removes the oxidation within a couple minutes. It worked great for me. Try it yourself =)
Sincerely,

Morgan Miller
- Chico, California, United States


2005

Vinegar and salt (or lemon juice and salt) is a reasonably strong acid that works fast. However, it can leave copper and brass rather raw and orange looking, and you may want to finish up with a commercial brass cleaner like Brasso [linked by editor to product info at Amazon] to give back that softer glow.

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2007

A. Addressing the issue of removing oxidation and discoloration from bronze grave-markers, if the problem is well established (a gray-green uniform coloration) your best bet is to consider having the marker sent off for reconditioning. Writer has recently tried "too many" web recommended products ranging from Simple Green, Whink, vinegar & salt, & Tarn-Away to Muriatic Acid [linked by editor to product info at Amazon], all with NO success ... indeed the markers looked better before with uniform deterioration. Internet research reveals there are a handful of companies that engage a process similar to sandblasting using tiny glass beads to do the cleaning and produce a product that looks like new. At which point unfortunately the decay process starts again but can be retarded by wax or a coat of polyurethane.

Skip C. Holmes
- Warner Robins, Georgia


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October 19, 2013

A. I am an owner of Gravestone Cleaning Service LLC located in the Panhandle FL. I would like to add a couple of simple methods to make this process for the owners life easier in maintaining their loved ones bronze memorial. We restore these markers from the worst condition in hours and you can too ...

First brush the marker off and clean away debris. For a single size marker: Put 1/4 cup sea salt in 2 cups of white vinegar and mix until salt has dissolved. Mix flour with the vinegar and salt solution until you have a paste (like peanut butter). Put this solution on the marker with a small inexpensive paint brush. Make sure you don't see any part of the marker thru the solution; cover with large plastic bag laying across the marker and let it sit for 2 hours. The discoloration you saw will now be in the flour mixture when you remove the plastic bag. The flour mixture (poultice) will have green in it. Scoop up the mixture from the marker and place in plastic grocery bag. Next mix a little Ivory liquid soap in a pan of water. Use a bronze brush (can get at any hardware store) to clean the lettering and design and a natural or brush to clean marker with some of the remaining flour mixture left on the stone and the soapy water. Rinse with water. You don't want to scrub the painted area with the bronze brush because it will remove the paint.

In our experience, Brasso will also take the paint off the marker. To make the marker shine and protect it, there are UV waxes sold commercially on line, haven't seen any in store. But, you can use Johnson's paste wax and it will clean some of the leftover darkness on the stone as well as put a shine back on the marker. When the paint is destroyed or lettering is still tarnished, there is another process the owner can do rather than spend lots of money.

Lucy Cook
- Youngstown, Florida, USA


November 6, 2015

thumbsdownThis is a lot of absolute nonsense! Don't waste your time. After more than 3 hours spent preparing the bronze memorial, mixing the salt, vinegar and flour, and applying the gook, then waiting the prescribed 2 hours, then removing it, nothing had changed!
At last I picked up a bottle of Brasso [linked by editor to product info at Amazon]. That, along with some rags and a little elbow grease, gave the results. I then applied a few spray coats of exterior gloss finish clear enamel.

Ted Ziegler
- Lincoln Park


thumbs up sign Hi Ted. Sorry that you put in a lot of time with the salt, vinegar and flour with no result; I'm sure it was frustrating.

Still, Lucy generously put in a lot of work with exacting details here, and even posted before-and-after pics proving it worked for her. So, "Didn't work in my case" is probably more appropriate than "This is a lot of absolute nonsense!" :-)

My guess is that the marker you were working on had a clearcoat (transparent paint) which prevented the acid and salt mixture from reaching the metal. Brasso has, in addition to its acid content, ammonia, stoddard solvent, and abrasives which means that there are conditions/situations where polishing with Brasso will be more effective.

Regards,

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Cleaning headstone Bronze Markers

November 20, 2016

Q. I downloaded 5 pages of cleaning bronze headstones. Claims I should use distilled water, 200 grain sand paper, brown shoe polish, wire brush, clean towels etc., etc. I tried sanding the markers but I was worn out only after a few minutes without much difference. Our Memorial Park suggested just spraying WD-40 and then they charged me $40.00 including cutting the grass around the marker. Yikes!!! I just ordered a drill which is battery operated to use with the sand paper and then just ordered a battery smaller drill for little jobs to sand the damages off. I have gone nuts trying to figure this out. Bought a book about cleaning things with Vinegar. I have well over $200.00 invested so far and still unhappy with my efforts. I have been quoted up to $500.00 to lift the marker and take it to a factory to refinish. My mom's marker is only 4 months old and turning already. I have faith the vinegar, flour and water will work. I am leaving CLR hard spot removed on the pictures on the headstones to remove the hard water spots. As a side note. At the house I'm going to change over to a soft water system to rid my home of hard water spots. I am that frustrated with this situation we face in 2016. If I win with satisfaction I will start a business for others who don't have the time but have the desire and money.

Nana E.
Family Member caring for bronze markers - Los Angeles, California


December 2, 2016

A. Grave markers, eh? That's a new one.

There are a few other threads floating around here for brass and bronze items, most of them beds. A lot of those folks have been pretty happy using a citric acid cleaner.

adv. (E.g. my product CitriSurf 77)

Given the specifics of grave markers I can't say for sure if that will be the best thing, but I suppose it's worth a try. Also might have to be careful with it depending on what the markers are mounted on, certain materials like concrete and limestone can be significantly attacked by exposure to acid.

ray kremer
Ray Kremer
Stellar Solutions, Inc.
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McHenry, Illinois
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December 4, 2016

A. We walk our dog in a nearby cemetery every morning. I've been interested to see the effect of aging on the bronze markers. Some appear as new for as much as 15-20 years, others weather to various brown and/or green colors within a year.

I haven't see any of them which look like they have been refinished, they have all been let to age naturally.

The ones which show age only after many years have some sort of clear coating from the factory, but I doubt it's anything you could do on site.

What I'm saying is this - I think your particular marker either originally had no clear overcoat, or it was a poor one which soon failed.

You *might* get it cleaned up using a battery-powered electric drill with some mounted buffing pads and buffing compound, but it will be a lot of work, and will soon weather again.

I understand your concern, but I don't think it's a problem you can solve.

jeffrey holmes
Jeffrey Holmes, CEF
Spartanburg, South Carolina


February 9, 2017

A. Bronze memorial markers have a clear coat lacquer that has been applied to keep the marker looking new for a long time. If you put WD-40 on a bronze marker you will remove this lacquer and the aging process will begin.

Maureen Walton
The Cemetery Exchange LLC - Lawrenceville, Georgia USA


March 14, 2017

A. adv.
Hi all. Aside from being the inventor of Scratch-B-Gone for Stainless steel and long time poster on Finishing.com, my company is a field service company specializing in bronze plaque refinishing. We manufacture a RIY kit called Restore Marker Care System from my early years restoring some and bronze in cemeteries. This is a DIY kit but we can also do it for you. Call to discuss at 760-804-5707

Barry Feinman

Barry Feinman
BarrysRestoreItAll
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June 24, 2018

Q. My dad's headstone has lettering and trim that used to be bright and shiny. I tried polishing it but I think it must have just had brass plating that has been polished right off.

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Is there a way it can be re-plated either professionally or on my own? Does the plating process require immersion of the item or can it be done on something like a headstone? Or would simply painting the letters and adding a sealer be a better option?

Tamara Forsyth
- Ogden, Utah USA


June 2018

A. Hi Tamara. I seriously doubt that the lettering was painted or plated, or that it's necessary to paint or plate it. We've appended your inquiry to a thread on the subject where a number of people have offered their ideas and successes.

For additional stories if interested, please see topic 22020, "Cleaning a military bronze cemetery plaque". Good luck.

Regards,

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October 5, 2018

I thought I had bought EacoChems One Restore but actually had Heritage Restorer. It did pretty good, but I'm going to get my hands on One Restore and try before I wax it.

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Pat

Pat Norman
- New Albany, Mississippi U.S.A


November 9, 2018

adv.
Tamara..it is beautiful thing you are attempting to do and we have made a kit for just this very purpose. The bright bronze/brass you seek and reference is just under the surface of the oxidation you see. The work is in removing the surface corrosion to expose the beauty below. Go to YOUTUBE and search 'restoring bronze grave markers' by Matthew McCauley where he uses our Cemetery Marker Rescue kit to do just this. The only thing you need to add is a can of lacquer to finish. Best wishes

Barry Feinman
Barry Feinman
BarrysRestoreItAll
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Carlsbad, California



March 28, 2019 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. I have a large bronze outdoor statue. It has mostly turned yellowgreen color. I would like take it all the way back to dark bronze. Scrubbed it with Ivory soapy water did nothing but make it clean yellowgreen.

casey smith
Custom Home Builder - Telluride, Colorado


April 2019

A. Hi Casey. Although your question is about a statue, it seems to be pretty well answered by these replies about bronze grave markers, so we appended it here. Good luck, and let us know how these ideas work for you!

Regards,

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April 23, 2019

Q. I purchased a bronze/marble marker for my husband. I received it in July of 2018. Here it is April not even a year later and there are areas of the marker that are dull.

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When you pour fresh water on it it begins to dry and is clean and bright looking then there are areas that are dull as if the glaze was not distributed evenly. I'm told this is because of the water the cemetery uses when watering. 1. this cemetery doesn't water, I've had to bring jugs of water and grass seed to actually get grass growing, they have had to repack dirt around it twice because of the sinking and casket outlining in the ground. Anyway, I don't buy it's the water.. not even a year old I know there may begin an oxidation but I know what that looks like from my step-daughter's marker. Any suggestions?

Tracy Hudson
Buyer/widow - Dallas, Texas USA


June 27, 2019

Q. My grandmother's grave marker is over 50 yrs old. I inquired at the cemetery how to clean it and was told that nothing will work but I could have it removed and sent away to be restored. She called it "Patina" (?)
Will the salt and vinegar solution work on a marker that is this old and green?
She also told me not to use WD-40, that it would ruin the bronze ... is this true?

Teri JOHNSON
- Fairview Park, OH


July 2019

A. Hi Terri. It may seem that a bronze cemetery marker is a bronze cemetery marker, but some are very old, some new, some have various clearcoats, others don't, and looking for consensus is like trying to herd cats. Maureen W. has told us that the problem with WD-40 is that it removes the clearcoat; whether this is true or not, it would seem to have no applicability to a 50 year old green marker; as an oil, WD-40 might give a little shine and help water roll off, but I don't think it will help with the cleaning. I would try the flour, vinegar and salt; if it doesn't work, then you'll need to either try Barry F.'s restoration kit, or have it sent away for bead blasting. Good luck.

(Decades ago I lived in a motel in Fairview Park for a month or so before finding housing for my new job in the Cleveland area.)

Regards,

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