Low pH Activation Bath: Smart Fixes for a Serious Problem

Summary for low ph activation bath Discussion

Very low pH in activation bath is the core issue in this tri-cationic phosphating thread. Babu Sankar said the surface activation bath total alkalinity was drifting low, at 1.2-1.5 instead of the 1.8-2.2 spec, and asked why. David Hall advised that the bath should be controlled by total titanium, filterable titanium, and pH, not alkalinity alone. He said a falling pH/alkalinity can come from contaminated or unsuitable replenishment water, suggesting de-mineralised water if town water is suspect. He also warned that phosphate solution may be spraying back from misdirected entry sprays or along the conveyor shroud, which can lower pH and worsen the problem. Hall further recommended asking the chemical supplier to investigate whether the product is wrong for the operating conditions. Later, Nikhil reported the same issue even with good DI water and no obvious contamination, and Ted Mooney asked for the titanium and pH readings and whether the supplier had been pressed to investigate.

Q. Sir,

We are operating tri-cationic phosphating. Our surface activation bath is deviating from the spec. in total alkalinity. It is very low in the range of 1.2-1.5 against 1.8-2.2. I will be grateful to know the reason.

babu sankar
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2003
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A. I would recommend that you control the bath using the following significant characteristics Total Titanium/Filterable Titanium and pH. If the pH/alkalinity is falling then you need to:

1) Check the water used to replenish the bath. You may need to use de-mineralised water if the town water is suspect.

2) Phosphate solution may be spraying back due to misdirected entry sprays or along the conveyor shroud. This will reduce the pH and cause greater problems if not fixed. You should also demand that your chemical supplier investigate the problem as you may be using the wrong product for your conditions.

Good Luck,

David Hall
– Melbourne, Australia
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July 16, 2018

Q. We are facing same issue although we are using good quality DI water & also there is no phosphate solution contamination. Please comment if anyone has any solution.

nikhil_singh
Nikhil Singh
Steel strips wheels ltd – Jamshedpur, Jharkhand, India
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July 2018

thumbs up sign  Hi Nikhil. Can you give us the “Total Titanium/Filterable Titanium and pH” which David suggested that you monitor? Have you made a “demand that your chemical supplier investigate the problem”? Can you tell us anything else?

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I know you’re only looking for quick help, but from doing the postings on this site for many years, I’ve observed that, unfortunately, if:
1. someone asks for help, and
2. someone offers it, then
3. a 3rd person says “I have the exact same issue and you were wrong, keep guessing” without offering any new data to evaluate, it rarely seems to work.

Best of luck, and keep your fingers crossed for a helpful reader :-)

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
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