Problems in White phenyl Manufacturing
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(2002)Q. I am a manufacturer of white phenyl but I am getting some problems. Some oils gets deposited on top. Slowly the color fades out. Can anyone please give some hint as what could be the reasons?
Rajeshwari- Mysore, Karnataka, India
A. It's a normal problem in manufacturing it; it's not a matter of worry. Please mix the water and concentrate very slowly; for example, if you are mixing one liter concentrate with 10 liter water then take one liter concentrate and add a few water then mix the concentrate very slowly again add few water and mix it properly then slowly add a little water then again mix the concentrate. You will get thick white color concentrate and then add water again; this is the procedure.
Prithwi Raj Biswas- Delhi, India
February 13, 2008
A. The response to the following query from Rajeshwari, Mysore:
You can add some amount of gum acacia and stir well during manufacturing of this emulsion. The deposition of oil on the top will be emulsified into the aqueous phenyl.
- Nashik, Maharashtra, India
December 11, 2008
A. Dear Sir
Reference Ms Rajeswari, Mysore, problem of oil separation.
Many manufacturers use various perfumery oils for this purpose; in most cases these oils are not emulsified properly to mix homogeneously into the solution.
As such, the oil separation.
- Bangalore, India
(2005)
Q. How to make it more dark? though I am mixing more amount of cutting oil in less water the phenyl is not getting darker. So any of you suggest me how to make it darker?
Srinivaschemicals - Hyderabad, Andhrapradesh, India
(2005)
Q. Dear sir ,
I made it but after adding perfume, I get smell of cutting oil.
What to add to avoid that smell.
- NAGPUR, India
(2007)
A. Do add pine oil 1 liter maximum in 200 liters of phenyl; there won't be a smell of cutting oil surely.
Regards
- New Delhi, India
(2007)
Q. Dear Sir,
If you can help me at what percentage of chemical should use to make 1 liter of white concentrate.
Thanks & Regards.
- Delhi, India
February 27, 2008
Q. Dear Sir,
Please tell how to prepare it and the chemicals used in preparation. As there is a preparation test for the B.Ed student.
Thanks
With Best Wishes
- Hyderabad, India
May 28, 2008
Q. I am a manufacturer of it but I am getting some problems, when I add water in concentrate some oil gets deposited on top; slowly the colour fades out, phenyl is not getting darker, I am mixing 1 liter TRO (turkey red oil) and 3 liter pine oil, please suggest.
Raju Upadhyay- Lucknow, India
September 17, 2008
Q. Problems in manufacturing: please let me understand what is gum agasia [ed. note: acacia?].
Kaushik Davehobbyist - Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India
October 5, 2008
i. White phenyl Compound:
It's a raw material for preparation of white phenyl. You can add 1 liter phenyl compound with 10/15 liters of water mixture.
- Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh, India
Alrighty then ... :-)
If the way to make "white phenyl" is to dilute "white phenyl compound" by 10 or 15 to 1, let the question be rephrased as "How does one make 'white phenyl compound' "?
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
January 17, 2009
A. Take 500 gram of castor oil, 500 grams of pine oil of 32% and mix both in a steel vessel, heat it with steam till till it gets very hot, take 10 grams of caustic and dissolve it in 100 ml water, pour the caustic solution in the mixture of castor/pine. heat it through steam until it turns dark brown and starts to become thick. Then let it cool down. Then add 200 grams of cutting oil and 100 grams of detol. The compound is ready.
najamuddin.hathiyari- rajkot, India
Thanks najamuddin!
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
April 17, 2009
Q. I am manufacturing it with out any mixer and packing in plastic bags (1 liter). After weeks storing became water-like or less white; please guide me how to overcome the problem.
Thank you.
manufacturer - Pune, Maharashtra, India
September 2, 2009
A. 1.First you test your water on water p.H. meter
2.Your water should be 80-170 in pH -- It is Hardness test [ed. note: there is an error here because pH scale only goes from 0-14; perhaps Satya means ppm, i.e., mg/l?)
3.If your water is hard you use PGN in Pine oil
4.1 liter 40 ml PGN
5.PGN works for softening the water, and create Hardness white phenyl.
6.Lastly I recommend please follow the formula a professional way.
With regards,
- Angul, Orissa, India
November 3, 2012
Q. WHAT IS THE FULL FORM OF PGN? AND Please SPECIFY THE QUANTITY WE NEED TO ADD IN ONE LITER COMPOUND TO AVOID OIL SEPARATION. IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY TO SOLVE THE OIL SEPARATION PROBLEM?
VISHAL SAXENA- BHARATPUR, RAJASTHAN,INDIA
November 4, 2012
A. Hi Vishal.
I can't answer your questions in full, but PGN is probably "Propylene glycol methyl ether acetate".
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
December 1, 2009
Q. Please tell me how to make a phenyl? I am looking to start a small business at home; please help me with details or just give a contact no. of a person to contact for the same.
lalit kansalrajdeep - pune, Maharashtra, India
Hi, Lalit. There have already been a good number of responses. Please try your best to cast your question in terms of what has already been said, so that the page doesn't just run in circles :-)
Sorry but this page is for public technical discussions; for a number of reasons we do not connect people commercially. Good luck.
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
January 23, 2010
A. It is indication of excess pine oil.
Take proper measured t.r.o 1 part and 3 part of pine oil. Shake it uniformly for 5 minutes, the mixture must be in proper ratio,
Wait for 3 days, you will get good result. Recently I heard there is one time introduced, if you have details, give full details
yellow oil on white phenyl - shimoga Karnataka, India
March 16, 2010
A. The Concentrate should be made with TRO not with cutting oil.The concentration of TRO and Pine/TOP should be clear.
Viral Gandhihome products - Mumbai, India
May 12, 2010
Q. 1. I am heating the castor oil 150 grams & pine oil 150 grams.
2. Next I mix caustic solution.
3. Cooled solution I am mixing cutting oil 200 grams.
Problem: separating the cutting oil.
- vijayawada, India
August 11, 2010
Q. Which type or grade of cutting oil can I use?
Bharat lalwanibuyer - Rajkot, Gujrat, India
November 20, 2010
Q. What should be the proper dilution ratio of pine concentrate with water for maximum dilution ? And should I use emulsifier also along with TRO?
Amol Suryawanshiindustrialist - Ahmedabad, Gujrat, India
January 9, 2011
Q. How to manufacture it without cutting oil?
madhusudan tirumalasettyManufacturer - pulivendla,Kadpa Dt,A.P St,India
September 23, 2011
Q. I am currently doing trials. I have tried with ready made concentrate in which we need to just add Pine Oil available in the market. But there are not up to the mark. So now I am trying to start full in house. If any one can guide, it will be helpful.
Apurva Khandelwal- Kolkata, India
A. We are a manufacturer of TRO. While preparing white phenyl confirm purity of TRO: it should be 70% & its pH should be neutral. Take 3 parts pine & 1 part TRO till you get clear transparent brown colour liquid. Take 9 liters water charge 1 liter of this concentrated mix to get 10 liters white phenyl. There will not be any problem of oil separation and fading of colour.
Regards,
- Thane, Maharashtra, India
December 2, 2011
Q. Dear Sir, I am planning to start business. Can anyone help me to advise what all chemicals are to be used and in which ratio as well as the procedure to make the concentrate.
regards,
- New Delhi, India
December 2, 2011
Hi, Rohit.
Please try your best to study the preceding answers and then cast your questions in terms of what has already been said, rather than simply starting over.
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
December 21, 2011
Q. Is there any possibility that we make it without using cutting oil?
bharat b- bhuj, Gujarat and india
December 21, 2011
RFQ: Kindly inform if you have testing facilities for checking quality of White phenyl , Liquid Soap, Toilet / Marble cleaners. In case you don't have arrangements can you please suggest someone who has.
Thanks & best regards
- Kolkata, India.
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April 9, 2012
Q. I am a manufacturer and I am currently using market made concentrate and some yellow oil problem on top.
One more problem: how to thicken it. If I use less water in concentrate then it doesn't fall economical.
How to get rid of these problems.
- Jaipur, India
May 31, 2012
Q. White pigment used as emulsifier for disinfectant products. Their pH value is 9-11. Can you give name of the product? Or can we use latex?
- AlKkhobar, Saudi Arabia
November 8, 2012
Q. Dear sir,
For phenyl manufacturing are any government authorizations or licenses required?
If yes, than what is formality to do that?
- Ahmedabad, India
November 24, 2012
Q. I want to get the formula of making transparent white phenyl concentrate, I'm already making thick pine oil based white phenyl concentrate. I also want to know if there are any other oils which can be used as a substitute of pine oil. Please help me out, I'm purchasing transparent concentrate at high cost.
Shashank [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]- Ambala Haryana, India
November 26, 2012
Q. Sir,
We are a manufacturer of liquid hand soaps, but my main problem is when we clean our hands with our soaps, after washing with water, some foam remains on hands. Please tell us what chemical name removes the foam from hands after cleaning.
- Noida U.P
January 7, 2013
Q. Hello everyone,
I am manufacturing it but there is a ring formation (separation) in the neck of the measuring cylinder. Please suggest the way to remove the ring.
I am diluting pine oil in the ratio of 1:10 (1 part pine oil concentrate and 10 parts water).
- Meerut, U.P., India
January 6, 2013
Q. What is cutting oil?
Suresh Kolandai- Salem, Tamilnadu, India
January 8, 2013
Q. Respected listener: how to make white phenyl...what is the function of cutting oil in it? Kindly must reply.
Danish- Pakistan
January 19, 2013
Q. Dear sir,
I want to make white phenyl; I'm using pine oil & amp; tween 80,
and make concentrate and dilute with 30 parts of water ... but final products is very diluted. Please help me how to make darker white phenyl.
Please help me what is real chemical combination of white phenyl.
- Gorakhpur, U.P., India
A. A GOOD QUALITY WHITE phenyl SHALL POSSESS THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS
- ITS COLOR NEEDS TO BE NATURAL SNOW LIKE WHITE AND AESTHETICALLY EXCELLENT.
- IT SHOUD BE VISCOUS ENOUGH TO DIUTE IN MORE PARTS OF WATER.
- IT MUST SPREAD PLEASANT SMELL WHEN DILUTED WITH WATER.
- IT MUST POSESS ANTI-BACTERIAL PROPERTIES
- IT MUST EASILY EMULSIFY GREASE, GRIME, DIRT AND ACCUMULATION FROM SUBSTRATE.
- IT MUST NOT DEVELOP OIL-WATER SEPARATION LAYER
- IT MUST NOT TURN GREY OR YELLOW AFTER SOME MONTHS
- IT MUST REMAIN STABLE IN EVERY WAY UP TO MORE THAN 30 MONTHS
- IT MUST SHOW (RWC) COEFFICIENT TO DESIRED LEVEL IN LABORATORY
- IT MUST KILL SALMONILATYPHIE AND STAPHACOCALAURUS
- Srinagar Jammu & Kashmir
February 14, 2013
Q. When I mixed TRO (1 part) and pine(3 parts) it gets separated after 5 hours -- why, although both are oils?
Neeta Gawade- India
February 18, 2013
Q. Which is better to use with pine oil for concentrated phenyl solution
TRO or Cutting Oil?
- Rajasthan, India
February 26, 2013
Q. Dear SIR,
I want to know the formula of phenyl concentrate which is made from PINE OIL,T.R.O AND CUTTING OIL.
- Navsari,Gujarat,India
June 19, 2013
Q. I am preparing White phenyl in village area through the help of SHGs members. After mixing materials, water and white chemicals show in clearly two different layers. So my questions are --
1. Should I insure firstly water pH is what ?
2. In my chemicals has sunray / air entered ?
3. For more white and darkness of phenyl what should I do ?
4.Why water and white chemicals are in two different layers ?
- Jamshedpur, Jharkhand, India
August 5, 2013
Q. I am a manufacturer and I am currently using market made concentrate. One problem: how to thicken it? If I use less water in concentrate then also it is not getting thicker.
How to get rid of these problems?
- Pune, Maharashtra, India
Turkey red oil -- phenyl grade manufacturing method
October 17, 2013Q. Dear sir,
We want to make turkey red oil-phenyl grade. Kindly guide me with detailed procedure along with ingredient list. Also suggest me how to make phenyl using this Turkey red oil -- phenyl grade?
I would be highly obliged if you help me in this matter.
- Panoli, Gujarat, India
November 10, 2013
Q. Respected sir,
We have prepared a good concentrate of white phenyl, but it appears very thin. How it should be thickened. There is also a price limit. kindly suggest your valuable advise.
Thanks and regards,
- Kolhapur, Maharashtra, India
November 27, 2013
Q. What are the documents required to start manufacturing and selling phenyl. Please help.
Dev Mishra- Roorkee, Uttrakhand, India
January 12, 2014
Q. Can anybody tell me or phenyl manufacturing business is there any license required from gov.?
My other question is does Manufacturer directly sell phenyl to retailer or is there any requirement of local distributor?
- Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
January 27, 2014
A. Hello,
Your practical problems are all quite common. Many readers do not have basic knowledge of Emulsion Technology and stability of its emulsion. But unfortunately I feel this is not the correct platform to pass-on true answers.
General problems are making good phenyl conc. preparation by using T.R.O. along with developing body/depth of brightness using Cutting Oil. First of all, readily available cutting oil contains 10-12% Emulsifier (made through Sodium Petroleum Sulphonate of different mol. wt. material with small quantity of Oleic Acid with Ethoxylated-alkyl Phenol). While diluting conc. phenyl to 15-30 ratio, which gets imbalance the total surfactants ratio of final diluted emulsion is key factors for separation. While selecting T.R.O., first we have to gauge/assess the app. H.L.B.value of product by simply diluting in Water. If turns more than 12 H.L.B value, emulsion will disappear during storage of final emulsion.The pH of product also reflects on the emulsion stability.
The correct practical method by using 60:40 ratio of Castor Oil : Rosin-Soap, which creates body to phenyl compound and as well as for Emulsion. This soap 1 : 2 (Pine Oil). Emulsion Brightness and viscosity can be improved by adding Cutting Oil Emulsifier and not ready cutting oil (Conc. Approx. 40% diluted in aromatic hydrocarbon solvent to use product to prepare cutting oil )
Rohidas KamatTechnical Service - Bangalore, Karnataka, India
February 5, 2014
Q. Respected sir,
I want to start white and colour scented phenyl manufacture. In market, concentrate cost is very high; I am notable to start business so I want to prepare best phenyl concentrate. Please tell me.
Thanking you sir.
- khammam, Andhara Pradesh
Licenses required for phenyl manufacturing?
February 22, 2014Q. Dear Sir,
We are consulting our client for phenyl MANUFACTURING in Pune MIDC area.
We want to know which licenses Company needs to be obtained for starting this business.
Thanks & with warm regards!
- Pune Maharashtra
April 11, 2014
Q. I want to start white and colour scented phenyl manufacture. In market, concentrate cost is very high; I am notable to start business so I want to prepare best phenyl concentrate. Please tell me formulation and raw materials concentrate preparation methods. Sometime raw material available in Chennai dealers address.
Thanking you,
- walajabad (kanchipuram dist), tamilnadu, india
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April 2014
Hi cousin balamuralikrishnan. Please carefully study the previous responses, and then re-post some detailed questions in terms of the information that has already been generously offered. Getting good & useful answers involves a little work on your own behalf :-)
Heaven helps those who help themselves.
Luck and Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
May 20, 2014
Q. Hi,
Does the water quality affect the stability of Emulsion?. Is it necessary to use only soft water / RO water to dilute the phenyl concentrate? What are the characteristics of a Good phenyl Concentrate?
- Salem, Tamilnadu, India
How to Make Harpic Solution?
July 26, 2014Q. How to make Harpic solution; please help me sir.
Aakash Srivastavastudent - Gorakhpur;Uttar-pradesh;India
July 2014
A. Hi Aakash. The formulation of proprietary products like Coca-Cola and Harpic brand cleaners are trade secrets protected by international law. If that is what you mean by Harpic solution, no one can tell you how to make them (your teacher should know that). But if you describe what general type of cleaner you are interested in, people may give you hints. Your school or area library should have books that cover such formulations -- and by reviewing such books you will truly learn something from the assignment.
(from The Chemical Formulary Vol. 23)
Have fun, and good luck!
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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
July 31, 2014
A. If you can get a copy of the product MSDS, it will tell you the hazardous ingredients at the very least, and depending on the type of product sometimes those are the key bits. Other times the non-hazardous proprietary stuff is where some or all of the magic happens, though.
August 5, 2014
Q. How to increase essence/smell in white phenyl? Our phenyl smell is not spreading? Please tell me the solution for making of hard smelling white phenyl.
Yogiraj Bhimade- Solapur, Maharashtra, India
October 13, 2014
Q. Is there any license required to manufacture of white phenyl and toilet cleaner?
Arun Kumar Sharma- Delhi, INDIA
October 14, 2014
Q. Sir my question is: pH meter displays 0-14 only, so how can we measure 80-170 in pH for good quality of White phenyl Manufacturing?
amit baranwal- birgunj, nepal
October 2014
A. Hi Amit. That's a good question :-)
You are correct that 80-170 is not an appropriate value for pH. I think Satya was talking about water hardness: I'm not sure of the units, but possibly mg/l.
Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
October 9, 2014
Q. Dear Sir What is a turkey red oil?
Shaik abdul rahamantransport - hyderabad Telangana, India
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October 17, 2014
A. Well, I guess I'll answer the "Red Turkey Oil" question. Process Engineer - Phoenix, Arizona USA October 17, 2014 A. Hi,  - Birmingham, UK |
November 11, 2014
Q. DEAR SIR, I'M MANUFACTURING WHITE phenyl IN MY HOME. IT'S LIKE GREASE LAYER IN GROUND. WHAT TO DO?
PAKKIR BALAJIKKtrading - CUDDALORE,TAMILNADU,INDIA
November 24, 2014
Q. I want to make phenyl for toilet and tile cleaning purposes. So please tell me complete process of making phenyl. I read some pdf but in that they have given making of only white phenyl. I want to make phenyl with different flavors and colors. So please help me.
Thank you in advance.
- belgaum Karnataka India
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Ed. note: Please provide the address of that pdf, Praveen. Many of the people waiting in line in front of you seem to be looking for that information. Thanks.
January 27, 2015
A. Dear All
This is my pleasure to share the real formulation as used by us. There is no problem at all. Take 2.5 Kg. Turkey Red Oil (T.R.O) Mix 7.5 Kg. Pine Oil. Shake Well for 2 Minutes. leave this for 5 Minutes. Again shake well for 2 minutes. Leave again for 10 Minutes. Now add Alphox 200 Emulsifier of IGL about 1 Kg. slowly till the transparency is obtained. If some more emulsifier is required add this but not more than 1.2 Kg. in all. Now leave this compound for next 24 hours. Now you can make 10 times to 20 times water emulsion of white phenyl. In case you are satisfied with your process you can mix 30 times water to this compound. This will give you stable white floor cleaner with mind blowing fragrance.
Bhawna F.M.C.G Udyog - Delhi India
March 15, 2015
Q. I GOT BAD ODOUR IN PERFUMED phenyl, WITHIN 10 DAYS, I AM SHOCKED TO SEE THIS
PERFUME + EMULSIFIER
phenyl MANUFACTURER - CHENNAI, TAMIL NADU, INDIA
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March 29, 2015
Q. Dear Sirs,
I have started a new business dealing with phenyl but the problem is separation. After some time it starts. Base looks like water, and on top it becomes like a layer. Please reply.
Thanks,
amit
- birgunj, nepal
June 17, 2015
We are manufacturing coloured phenyl. I want to share my formula ...
Please suggest is it right or wrong.
First I am adding 2.5 ltr. Cutting oil in 100 ltr. water slowly slowly. And mixing 1-2 minute with plastic stick.
Then I am adding 1.5 ltr. Pine oil slowly slowly and mixing 1 minute.
Then I am mixing fragrance 200 ml. And mixing slowly slowly.
Then I am packing in plastic bottles.
So suggest me should I put mixed material for some time or should pack immediately after preparing phenyl?
shubh grah udyog - chhindwara madhya pradesh india
October 2, 2015
Q. I am manufacturing homemade phenyl of the mixture of cutting oil & pine oil but I did not get Thicker in level , so what types of chemical I should use for getting thick white phenyl,
Pls sir, tell me percentage of chemical to get right & thick white phenyl
homemade phenyl - pune, maharashtra - India
October 29, 2015
Q. HOW to MIX THE CITRONELLA OIL IN phenyl? IT IS NOT MIXING WITH WATER, AND ODOUR GOES OUT FROM THE phenyl. PLEASE HELP ME TO GIVE A SUGGESTION HOW TO KEEP ODOUR IN phenyl.
PRITAM CHAKRABORTY- KOLKATA,WEST BENGAL,INDIA
November 14, 2015
Q. Dear Ish Kumar
Thanks for valuable answer about disinfectant phenyl.
Here I have a question, how many % of LABSA, Emulsifier & fragrance should be added in to 40% pine oil? Please explain the procedure of the same if possible, thanks.
- theissur, kerala, india
December 7, 2015
What is the manufacturing process of Concentrated Dark green Phenyl with a pleasant long lasting fragrance? is there any other chemical for emulsifier instead of TRO? in the india there is famous sunny phenyl which is concentrated green, how can we manufacture it?
Kunal Agiwale- Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
March 19, 2016
Q. I WANT TO MAKE LINEAR ALKY BENZENE SULPHONIC ACID (POPULARLY KNOWN AS ACID SLURRY) BY BATCH METHOD. WHAT GRADE OF STAINLESS STEEL SHOULD BE USED FOR THE SULPHONATION AND THE SEPARATION.
ASLO HOW THE PRODUCT CAN BE MADE LIGHT IN COLOUT WITH MAXIMUM ACTIVE DETERGENCY (90% AND ABOVE)?
FORMULATOR - LUDHIANA
Approvals & Certificates for White phenyl
July 6, 2016Q. I am a manufacturer of White phenyl in Chennai, Tamil nadu, India. What are the quality and standard certificates I can get for my product? I wish to establish a brand image by getting quality certificates and approvals. Who should I approach and how shall I apply? What are protocols to be followed? I am grateful to your help.
MANIVANNAN RAJAGOPALCleaning Chemical Manufacturer - Chennai, Tamilnadu, India
October 17, 2016
! Nowadays white Phenyl is being made with transparent base mixed with perfume as per like and dilute with water 1:20.
It is stable white Phenyl with pure milk white color and can stored for long without any separation.
- Visakhapatnam, Andhra Pradesh
March 9, 2017
Q. Please tell me how to increase the viscosity of w. phenyl without decreasing the quantity of water .
ashwini kumar- Patna, Bihar, India
June 27, 2017
Q. May I know what is the chemical used to bring the white colour in phenol.
Pari vallalbannari amman colours - Coimbatore,Tamil nadu,India