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Phenyl Manufacturing Problems & Solutions



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Q. How to mix oil & water properly, (oil= natural oil, water = Demineralized water)

SARIT GOSWAMI
Hobbyist - BERHAMPORE [India]
January 9, 2022
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A. It is very easy to Mix Oil and Water properly, and you need to have surfactant for this. Surfactant is something which converts oil-soluble to water-soluble.

But you need to understand what kind of oil you have and its properties.

Satin Gujral
Manufacturer Cleaning Products - Dehradun [India]
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Q. How to spread more and consistently the fragrance used in white phenyl?

Sambit Mukherjee
Student - Kolkata, India
April 6, 2022
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Previous closely related Q&A's, oldest first:

Q. My interest to know the process for the manufacture of black phenyl. Further I would like to know if this item of manufacture requires a License under the Food and Drug Law from FDA . Also how is the efficacy of the product measured and what are the different properties on the basis of which the various products available in the market be compared.

Thanks,

Aravind Gandhi
- Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
2002
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A. I had never heard of this product until your inquiry, Aravind, but the Madhya Pradesh government web site at www.mp.nic.in/mpindustry/project/2l/chemical.htm describes it as a disinfectant which is an emulsion of light creosote oil or pine oil and water with soap. The page also describes basically how it's made.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Q. I would like to know the exact process to manufacture black phenyle. I will be obliged if someone can help me with a formulation/recipe.

G.R. Rao
- Bangalore, Karnataka, India
2002
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Q. DEAR MR. RAO,
WE SAW YOUR ENQUIRY ON FINISHING.COM , WE ARE BASED IN NEPAL AND WE ALSO WANT BLACK PHENYLE FORMULATION. HOPE YOU WILL HELP US WITH THE FORMULA.
REGARDS,

Anand Todi
- Kathmandu, Nepal
2002
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Q. Sir,
I need the answer to above letter.

Shaik Riyaz Basha
- India
2003
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Q. I am a manufacturer of white phenyl but I am getting some problems. Some oils gets deposited on top. Slowly the color fades out. Can anyone please give some hint as what could be the reasons?

Rajeshwari
- Mysore, Karnataka, India
2002
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wikipedia

Phenol

A. It's a normal problem in manufacturing it; it's not a matter of worry. Please mix the water and concentrate very slowly; for example, if you are mixing one liter concentrate with 10 liter water then take one liter concentrate and add a few water then mix the concentrate very slowly again add few water and mix it properly then slowly add a little water then again mix the concentrate. You will get thick white color concentrate and then add water again; this is the procedure.

Prithwi Raj Biswas
- Delhi, India
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A. The response to the following query from Rajeshwari, Mysore:

You can add some amount of gum acacia and stir well during manufacturing of this emulsion. The deposition of oil on the top will be emulsified into the aqueous phenyl.

Girish Pargaonkar
- Nashik, Maharashtra, India
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A. Dear Sir

Reference Ms Rajeswari, Mysore, problem of oil separation.
Many manufacturers use various perfumery oils for this purpose; in most cases these oils are not emulsified properly to mix homogeneously into the solution.
As such, the oil separation.

KN Chandrasekhar
- Bangalore, India
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Q. Can you help me in giving the formulations for making Phenyle and other cleaning liquids.

G. Srinivas
- Secunderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India
2003
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Is Phenyle hazardous to skin?

Q. Is phenyle harmful for the skin. It is used in India as a disinfectant. Is it on the banned or hazardous list of western countries? Can this product be exported, if so to which countries?

Anil Enand
- Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
2003
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A. I could not identify "phenyle" and there are thousands of compounds with phenyl in the name. However, from the disinfectant usage, my guess is that you are referring to phenol, CAS#108-95-2. An MSDS https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/96380.htm indicates a severe health hazard which can cause death; exposure routes include skin absorption and inhalation (limit is 5 ppm for 8 hrs). I expect this use is banned in the US and other western nations.

Ken Vlach [dec]
- Goleta, California

contributor of the year Finishing.com honored Ken for his countless carefully researched responses. He passed away May 14, 2015.
Rest in peace, Ken. Thank you for your hard work which the finishing world, and we at finishing.com, continue to benefit from.

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Q. Hello I am a student of msc and I want to know process of industrial manufacturing of black phenyle for my project report please help me if any .

thank you

gaurav tyagi
student - Delhi, India
2003
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Q. Dear sir,

I manufacture only white phenyle. I have too many competitors here to beat this. I want to manufacture the concentrated phenyle and black phenyle. I completed the small course about this but what I want is it will be difficult to purchase all raw materials from Mumbai. I have already the addresses, but I need the addresses for raw material supplier from Karnataka i.e. from Bangalore or Belgum or Dharwad which is easy for me. I will very thankful to you.

Awadhut Chhatre
business man about domestic cleaning material - Bijapur, Karnataka, India
2004
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Q. Dear Sir,
I want to know the formulation of Phenyle, Cleaning liquid and liquid soap. Can anybody help me.
Ashok Kumar
- Delhi, India
2004
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Q. Sir / Madam,

I Mr.Shashi Kumar completed my MBA degree in O.U. I want to start a small scale industry. Basically I am interested in Making Phenyle and Acids (Home Needs). Kindly advise me for making this product under ssi. I want to know exactly the preparation of Phenyle and acid including formula, Govt rules for starting this small scale industry i.e Pollution, Environmental Survey, Metallurgy survey, and EIA . Please give me above information with preparation.

Thanking you, yours faithfully,

Shashi Kumar
- Port blair, Andaman and Nicobar Islands, India
2004
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A. Hi. Phenyle is/was a disinfectant emulsion based on pine oil or creosote oil, water, and soap; there may be other ingredients in it. A lot of info about the ingredients and manufacturing process is on these pages.

It was used in the 1920's in Australia and maybe elsewhere, and eBay occasionally has embossed glass bottles reading "Phenyle" and "Kitchen's" on them. You can google for those two words and maybe learn more of the history. A similar product is still manufactured in India. However, sorry, I don't know what would be involved in getting import/export permissions.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Striving to live Aloha
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Q. How to make it more dark? though I am mixing more amount of cutting oil in less water the phenyl is not getting darker. So any of you suggest me how to make it darker?

Srinivas
chemicals - Hyderabad, Andhrapradesh, India
2005
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Q. Hi,
I want to know formulation of phenyl, is there anybody to help me?
I am waiting for it. Thanks.

Mohammad Alam Khan
trading of garments - Delhi, India
2005
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Q. I would like to know the exact process to manufacture black phenyl. I will be obliged if someone can help me with a complete formulation.

Sharad Aggarwal
marketing - Delhi, India
2005
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Hi, Mohammad; hi, Sharad. We'd all like the "exact process" to manufacture Coca-Cola as well as phenyl, but none of us will meet with success because a successful competitor is not going to tell us exactly what he does, so that we can go into business against him and try to get his customers to buy from us instead. Sorry, it is never going to happen :-(

-- but if you ask for small tips, and you share camaraderie and a few tips of your own, your efforts may well be fruitful. Best of luck!

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Q. Dear sir ,
I made it but after adding perfume, I get smell of cutting oil.
What to add to avoid that smell.

Louis Robert
- NAGPUR, India
2005
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A. Do add pine oil 1 liter maximum in 200 liters of phenyl; there won't be a smell of cutting oil surely.
Regards

Pramod sethi
- New Delhi, India
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WE ARE MANUFACTURER OF WHITE PHENYL WE WANT TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LEARN IN THIS FIELD

Dhanse Shakeel Ismail
- India
2006
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2006

thumbs up sign This page is for public exchange of technical information. There are many open questions on the floor, and anyone who can answer any of them in non-commercial fashion is welcome -- please do. Thanks!

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
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finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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Q. Give the exact percentage of mixing of oil while making of phenyl? What is a black phenyl? How it's prepared?

Sachin Vichare
chemical (r & d ) chemist - Kalyan, Maharashtra, India
2006
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Q. Can anyone tell me about solid phenyle? They are used by Indian Army in high altitudes.

SUBHENDU SINHA CHAUDHURI
Hobby - INDIA
2006
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Q. Dear sir,
Please help me out I want to setup a ssi unit of manufacturing pnenyle in Bokaro steel city (Jharknand) what are the raw materials needed for this.

Deepak Agrawal
distribution house - B.S.CITY, JHARKHAND, INDIA
2006
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Q. Dear sir, I am a retired person and wish to do similar phenyle, liquid washing soap. liquid toilet perfumed soap, etc. from home. Can you please help me too.
Thanks a lot.

darius bustani
- mumbai, maharashtra, india
2006
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A. Phenyle is a low value product. For quality product, phenyle manufacturing plant is a costly affair nowadays. Those who want to manufacture phenyle must sell it at least for a year in their own territory and they should start production only if they should feel that now their own production will help them to increase the sales. Then only they must start the production.

atul singhal
- Jaipur,Rajasthan,India
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Q. Dear Sir,

If you can help me at what percentage of chemical should use to make 1 liter of white concentrate.

Thanks & Regards.

inderpal Arya
- Delhi, India
2007
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Q. Dear Sir,

Please tell how to prepare it and the chemicals used in preparation. As there is a preparation test for the B.Ed student.

Thanks
With Best Wishes

Fareed Ahmed Syed
- Hyderabad, India
February 27, 2008
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Q. Sir, I would like to know the process of making phenyl both black and white. I would be grateful if I could any help from you

Thanking you
Yours faithfully,

Ved Prakash Garg
- Vijayawada, India
March 18, 2008
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Q. Sir,
I would like to know the Manufacturing process for Black and white phenyl. Thank you very much for help you are sending.

Jawahar. Desai.
buyer - Belgaum, Karnataka, India
December 27, 2008
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A. To make black phenyl we need
1 creosote oil
2 rosin
3 caustic
4 mcp [Mono Chloro Phenol]

The composition makes black phenyle

udden maharjan
- kathmandu, Nepal
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Q. I am a manufacturer of it but I am getting some problems, when I add water in concentrate some oil gets deposited on top; slowly the colour fades out, phenyl is not getting darker, I am mixing 1 liter TRO (turkey red oil) and 3 liter pine oil, please suggest.

Raju Upadhyay
- Lucknow, India
May 28, 2008
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A. You are using TRO and pine oil but you need to use emulsifier to manufacture, and you need to use NP9 also along with pine and tro

satin
manufacturer - India
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Q. Problems in manufacturing: please let me understand what is gum agasia [ed. note: acacia?].

Kaushik Dave
hobbyist - Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India
September 17, 2008
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! White phenyl Compound:

It's a raw material for preparation of white phenyl. You can add 1 liter phenyl compound with 10/15 liters of water mixture.

Murthy Manapragada
- Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh, India
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thumbs up signAlrighty then ...   :-)

If the way to make "white phenyl" is to dilute "white phenyl compound" by 10 or 15 to 1, let the question be rephrased as "How does one make 'white phenyl compound' "?   :-)

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
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A. Take 500 gram of castor oil, 500 grams of pine oil of 32% and mix both in a steel vessel, heat it with steam till till it gets very hot, take 10 grams of caustic and dissolve it in 100 ml water, pour the caustic solution in the mixture of castor/pine. heat it through steam until it turns dark brown and starts to become thick. Then let it cool down. Then add 200 grams of cutting oil and 100 grams of detol. The compound is ready.

najamuddin.hathiyari
- rajkot, India
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thumbs up signThanks najamuddin!

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Q. I am manufacturing it without any mixer and packing in plastic bags (1 liter). After weeks storing became water-like or less white; please guide me how to overcome the problem.
Thank you.

subroto chatterjee
manufacturer - Pune, Maharashtra, India
April 17, 2009 ^


A. 1.First you test your water on water p.H. meter
2.Your water should be 80-170 in pH -- It is Hardness test [ed. note: there is an error here because pH scale only goes from 0-14; perhaps Satya means ppm, i.e., mg/l?)
3.If your water is hard you use PGN in Pine oil
4.1 liter 40 ml PGN
5.PGN works for softening the water, and create Hardness white phenyl.
6.Lastly I recommend please follow the formula a professional way.

With regards,

satya prakash tripathy
- Angul, Orissa, India
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Q. WHAT IS THE FULL FORM OF PGN? AND Please SPECIFY THE QUANTITY WE NEED TO ADD IN ONE LITER COMPOUND TO AVOID OIL SEPARATION. IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY TO SOLVE THE OIL SEPARATION PROBLEM?

VISHAL SAXENA
- BHARATPUR, RAJASTHAN,INDIA
November 3, 2012
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A. Hi Vishal.

I can't answer your questions in full, but PGN is probably "Propylene glycol methyl ether acetate".

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Q. Please tell me how to make a phenyl? I am looking to start a small business at home; please help me with details or just give a contact no. of a person to contact for the same.

lalit kansal
rajdeep - pune, Maharashtra, India
December 1, 2009
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A. Hi, Lalit. There have already been a good number of responses. Please try your best to cast your question in terms of what has already been said, so that the page doesn't just run in circles :-)

Sorry but this page is for public technical discussions; for a number of reasons we do not connect people commercially (why?). Good luck.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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A. It is indication of excess pine oil.
Take proper measured t.r.o 1 part and 3 part of pine oil. Shake it uniformly for 5 minutes, the mixture must be in proper ratio,
Wait for 3 days, you will get good result. Recently I heard there is one time introduced, if you have details, give full details

rajashekharaswamy
yellow oil on white phenyl - shimoga Karnataka, India
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A. The Concentrate should be made with TRO not with cutting oil.The concentration of TRO and Pine/TOP should be clear.

Viral Gandhi
home products - Mumbai, India
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Q. I want to know about manufacturing of black and white phenyl.

Himmat singh
chemicals - jaipur,rajasthan, India
January 5, 2010
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A. Hi, Himmat.

There is a lot of good information here. Good luck! Please cast your question in terms of the answers already provided. Starting over prevents forward progress. Thanks!

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Q. 1. I am heating the castor oil 150 grams & pine oil 150 grams.
2. Next I mix caustic solution.
3. Cooled solution I am mixing cutting oil 200 grams.

Problem: separating the cutting oil.

j.v.r.suresh
- vijayawada, India
May 12, 2010
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Q. I would like to know the exact process to manufacture black phenyle. I will be obliged if someone can help me with a formulation/recipe.
joydip roy
- tripura, India
May 22, 2010
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May 25, 2010

A. Hi, folks.

Earlier we summarized a report from the Madhya Pradesh government which said phenyle is a disinfectant emulsion made from light creosote oil or pine oil and water with soap.

Udden Maharjan says it's made from creosote oil, rosin, caustic and mcp [modified citrus pectin?].

A number of companies claim to sell the raw chemicals as a third possible starting point.

There's lots of info on this page.

Please don't try to take the discussion private -- it disenfranchises the other readers and is poor netiquette. If you offer consultation or products, you're welcome to advertise on this page or anywhere, but we're drowning in spam, and won't post any solicitations, testimonials, or contact info. Thanks for your understanding.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Q. Please send me all types of cleaners' formulation.

anish ahmed
- dehradun,uttarakhand,india
June 5, 2010
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A. Hi Anish. There are many books at libraries or available inexpensively used which contain hundreds of formulas for cleaners. Good luck.

Luck & Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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A. I am Mr. Sudhirkumar from Bangalore, India. Normally phenyl is used as an disinfectant. Of note, phenyl is not considered as the best for health or for disinfecting. Now the Gold Standard is using BKC as an active ingredient which can kill HIV and H1N1 virus also.

Warm Regards, Sudhirkumar

Sudhirkumar Gadag
- Bangalore, Karnataka, India
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Q. Which type or grade of cutting oil can I use?

Bharat lalwani
buyer - Rajkot, Gujrat, India
August 11, 2010
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Q. What should be the proper dilution ratio of pine concentrate with water for maximum dilution ? And should I use emulsifier also along with TRO?

Amol Suryawanshi
industrialist - Ahmedabad, Gujrat, India
November 20, 2010
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Q. How to manufacture it without cutting oil?

madhusudan tirumalasetty
Manufacturer - pulivendla,Kadpa Dt,A.P St,India
January 9, 2011
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Q. Hi this is rajesh, please guide me, how to make the phenyl, and how I can make my own plants, manufacturing to marketing, or provide me the link.

Rajesh

rajesh kumar
student - mumbai maharashtra india
February 6, 2011
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A. Hi, Rajesh. We see that you are a student.

I'm sure you realize that in the real world nobody ever goes into business building a factory they don't know how to build, to manufacture a product they're unfamiliar with, and which they don't even know how to market. People always bring something to the party, whether it be a new manufacturing technology, a superior formulation, or great marketing skills :-)

There is plenty of info on this thread already that will allow you to pose a convincing scenario for a great project. Thanks.

Regards,

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Q. I am completing my phenyl making course from khadi gramudyog [Borivali] and I have good experience about dyes, I know some raw material of green phenyl: TRO, cutting oil, pine oil, perfume oil, etc., but I don't know what is the perfect recipe of green phenyl.
Please reply my question. I waiting for your reply please; the phenyl should be cheap in pricing Rs30 -35/liter

Moiz Inamdar
hobbyist - Mumbai, India
May 18, 2011
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A. Hi, Moiz. I don't know what "green phenyl" is and whether it's any different from other phenyl except for a green tint. But phenyl is a proprietary commercial product available from many sources and I doubt that anyone would agree that someone else's formula is more perfect than their own. While awaiting responses, please review what's here already. Meanwhile there are numerous questions in front of yours which it looks like you are very capable of answering, and trying to teach is the fastest way to learn.
Good luck.

Regards,

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WHITE PHENYLE MANUFACTURING PROCESS

NOTE: This is a Cold Process

Emulisifier OP-95 300 ml
Pine Oil 750 ml
Water 15 Liter (Recommended)
Process:
Pour OP-95 in a vessel.
Add Pine Oil slowly while stirring OP-95.
OP-95 & pine oil Compound must be transparent Clear Liquid. If Compound is not clear than add OP 95 and make it Clear.

Add Water slowly while stirring the mix of OP-95.

NOTE: IF you require perfume different than this (PINE OIL), you can use citronella.

During the whole process the stirring has to be maintained at a constant rate, up to 1 hour without interruption, which will result in a Milky White Phenyle.

Shiv Shakti
trading corporation - Vaddodara, Gujarat, India
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thumbs up sign Thanks, Shiv. That may help some people. But most are not asking for mixing directions for the particular proprietary emulsifier you distribute but for more generic info about how to formulate.   :-)

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Q. I am chemical engineer. I want manufacturing process for phenyl.

Hitendra Kumbhar
- bhiwandi,maharashtra,mumbai
August 20, 2011
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thumbs up sign Hi, Hitendra.

If there isn't enough info for you on this page, maybe it can't be answered within the realistic constraints of a public forum. But if you can ask multiple-choice questions, yes/no questions, or a question that can be answered in a one or two-paragraph essay, there is a good chance that they may be answered. Best of luck!

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Q. I am currently doing trials. I have tried with ready made concentrate in which we need to just add Pine Oil available in the market. But these are not up to the mark. So now I am trying to start full in house. If any one can guide, it will be helpful.

Apurva Khandelwal
- Kolkata, India
September 23, 2011
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A. We are a manufacturer of TRO. While preparing white phenyl confirm purity of TRO: it should be 70% & its pH should be neutral. Take 3 parts pine & 1 part TRO till you get clear transparent brown colour liquid. Take 9 liters water charge 1 liter of this concentrated mix to get 10 liters white phenyl. There will not be any problem of oil separation and fading of colour.
Regards,

Jagdish Shirodkar
- Thane, Maharashtra, India
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