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Anodized Aluminum Salt Spray Testing


(2001)

Q. Hi all,

We are processing 7050-T7 aluminum alloy parts and test panels per the following procedure:

1. Vapor degreasing using trichloroethylene for 2 minutes at 130 °F
2. Non-etch alkaline cleaning at 135 °F
3. Deoxidizing and desmutting at room temperature for 1-2 minutes in chromic-nitric bath (Cr+6 = 8.5 g/l, HNO3 = 135 g/l)
4. Chromic acid anodizing (22 v) at 96 °F for 50 minutes (CrO3 Free = 50 g/l and Total = 59.1 g/l, Al = 1.2 g/l and pH = 0.38)
5. Dilute chromate sealing at 205 °F for 28 minutes (Cr+6 = 65 ppm, pH = 3.2)

Of course, between each of these steps we are using DI water rinsing. At the end of the process, both the parts and the test panels come out very uniform in color and have an excellent appearance. We usually obtain very good coating weight results averaging about 320 mg/ft2. However, after the panels have been exposed to the salt spray corrosion testing, they sometimes exhibit dark areas about 1 x 1 inch. These dark areas can convert into corrosion pits (white spots with head and tail appearances) as defined by the ASTM B117 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet] . We could not establish a direct correlation between these dark areas and corrosion pits.

Alain Denoyelles
- Quebec, Canada


(2001)

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A. I find it hard to find a question to answer in the above but I take it that the problem is the black marks that then lead to salt spray pits.

From all that you have said you have things well under control. The only things that I would look at:

Test panels - are they good finish before or do they have marks in them?

Test panels - are they clad - try a caustic etch and they should go black if they are white on the faces with the sides showing they have a black core they are clad.

Seal - do a seal quality test with ink.

Seal - if seal test fails check seal for silicate.

Hope this is of use to you.

Martin Trigg-Hogarth
Martin Trigg-Hogarth
surface treatment shop - Stroud, Glos, England



Anodizing Thickness and Corrosion Tests

(2001)

Q. Hello there,

I am a final year Irish student completing a project on Al anodising. I have successfully anodised the Al profiles, but now I am unsure of how to test the profiles for thickness, corrosion etc using the simplest and cheapest methods possible.

Any information would be gratefully accepted.

Aoife Trant
- Cork, Ireland



(2005)

Q. I have always been under the impression that the correct corrosion testing procedure of Anodized test panels as per ASTM B 117 is as follows:

Test panels : 3" x 10" x 0.040" 2024-T3 bare or the most commonly run alloy (with the 10" side cut parallel to the rolling direction).

Test procedure:
Rack or hold upward on the length the panels at a 6 degrees angle from the vertical [using plastic racks or holders].
Rinse panels with DI Water
Enter the racked panels in the operational salt spray cabinet and leave them for 2 weeks (336 hours)
Remove panels and examine surface for corrosion pits.

NOTE: A corrosion pit is defined as a small depression or cavity produced in the metal surface during the exposure to the salt spray fog. In most of the cases the pits are accompanied by abundant corrosion products. In the case of aluminum alloys, the color of the corrosion product is white (aluminum chloride). A corrosion pit is a comet-like in shape defined by a head (pit (corrosion product).

The questions:

1) Is the test still valid if one holds the panels at 6 degrees from the vertical on the width (3") instead of the length (10")? This way, the dripping fog would be perpendicular to the rolling direction, and would have more resistance.
2) If a dark spot without any corrosion product is observed does it count as a corrosion pit?

I would very much appreciate any reference or specification dealing with the subject.

Thanks,

Hocine Djellab
Verdun Anodizing Inc - Verdun, Quebec, CANADA



Corrosion test failure for chromic acid anodizing

February 18, 2011

Q. We have carried our salt spray testing on 2024 and 7075 test specimen chromic acid anodize bath. The test specimen sealed in DI water Temp 96 °C, time 25 minutes. The test specimen failed the salt spray test after 24 hours we observed black corrosion on entire the test specimen. Could you advise us on what things we can try in order to solve this problem.

Prakash Govindarajan
plating shop employee - Belgaum India


February 18, 2011

A. Hi, Prakash. Don't spend a minute or a nickel on anything else until you've bought new test panels :-)

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey


simultaneous February 18, 2011

A. The spec that I used to work to called for a chromate or dichromate hot seal. It helps.
Black all over is strange. Spots, yes, but not all over. As Ted said, get new test panels and try that first.
Then come back with pictures if you still have a problem.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida


February 21, 2011

A. Hi Prakash,

To add to Ted's comments (and new panels are essential) you need to give us a lot more detail about your process as well, such as pre-treatments, anodising cycle, anodising tank operating conditions, seal operating conditions, etc.

Brian Terry
aerospace - Yeovil, Somerset, United Kingdom


February 23, 2011

Q. We processed as follows

Degreasing: 07 minutes
Spray rinse
Deoxidize: 03 minutes
Spray Rinse
chromic acid anodize: 40 voltage cycle
Sealing : 25 minutes temp. 96 °C

Regards
Prakash

Prakash Govindarajan [returning]
plating shop employee - Belgaum India


February 25, 2011

Surface Treatment & Finishing of Aluminium and Its Alloys
Wernick, Pinner & Sheasby

A. Hi Prakash,
OK, start with the first thing on the list. As Ted said get hold of some brand new panels. Inspect the panels for condition before you run them. Look for spots of corrosion or physical damage to the panels. Any that show either of these features reject before you start. You should now have a good clean set of panels to run through the process.

Next check all of the solution analyses for all of the baths in the process and ensure that they are meeting the specification requirements. If not ensure that process baths are adjusted and re-analysed before moving on to the next stage.

Next, and this is a thing that I favour doing as it reveals so many problems and errors you wouldn't be aware of just from reading the specification, is to follow the panels through the process, from start to finish, from the time they hit the treatment shop to the time they are placed in the salt spray cabinet. Note down ALL of the processing parameters (which baths they go in, how long for, at what temperature. Note the exact anodising cycle used, note how much fluctuation of the voltage you are getting when you get to 40 volts and, if you take it to the next step, at 50 volts, sealing time and temperature, drying conditions, etc. Check that the waterbreak check is carried out). This will give you a full map of your process. Now compare this to your specification/technique sheet that you are working to to see if there any differences.

Right, having got to this stage successfully you need to get your panels tested. Make sure that during the test all the conditions of ASTM B117 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet] (or ISO 9227 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet] if you are salt spraying to that specification) are being met. Inspect your panels and see what you have.

Once you have completed this exercise come back to us and tell us what you have found. From there, if you still have a problem then we should be able to help to pinpoint the problem.

Brian Terry
aerospace - Yeovil, Somerset, United Kingdom



Corrosion tests for anodized aluminum quality

December 9, 2016

Q.
How is the reliability of corrosion tests (acetic acid salt spray, copper-accelerated acetic acid salt spray) for anodized aluminum's quality? Has anyone any experience about this subject?

alaattin tuna
- sakarya,TURKEY


December 2016

A. Hi Alaattin. Your question is a bit abstract (no specifics regarding your own situation) and vague (what do we mean by "reliability ... for ... quality".

But the correlation between test results and real-life endurance is zero because, among other problems, you will be testing panels which were rolled as a different lot than your actual parts and which will suffer more or less grain separation due to age. On this thread and on several similar ones you will read some opinions that the principal thing that salt spray testing of anodized aluminum reveals is how much grain separation has occurred on your test panels and, from that, how much time & money you spend on buying top quality panels and replacing them frequently :-)

Sorry, but I'm pretty cynical on this subject after several threads revealed that getting fresh test panels meant passing the salt spray test :-)

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"


December 12, 2016

Q. Hi Ted,
I respect your criticism. I will consider this, but I mean if we compare salt spray test and spot-weight loss test for anodizing which one is decisive for anodizing quality. I am not mentioning panels.

alaattin tuna [returning]
- sakarya TURKEY


December 2016

A. Hi again. Please don't consider my comments "criticism" as I know too little about testing anodizing to criticize anyone -- it's just a "suggestion" about how to more efficiently get help on this site based on my running it for 21 years :-)

We still don't know whether you are talking about MIL-A-8625 Type II anodizing or some other anodizing process, nor what alloy you are concerned with, and you still haven't told us what situation is motivating your inquiry ... but we have now learned that you are speaking of destructive testing of actual parts rather than test panels.

Is the "spot-weight loss" test that you are mentioning the ASTM B680 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet] test for seal quality that Phil Johnson describes in letter 4981? I think Phil's response on that letter may answer all of your questions about testing anodizing "quality". Good luck!

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"



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