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Measurement of Anodizing Thickness; Best Testers and Methods



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January 11, 2022

Q. I'm looking into buying a new isoscope for measuring thickness. We usually use Fisher brands, but I'm looking for one that has a probe that is water resistant to use on our processing line. We could just keep using what we have, but the probes get wet and then we have to let them dry for a day or two before next use, and they're not cheap -- roughly 900 bucks each. Any links or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

jared goddard
- Green Bay wisconsin
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January 14, 2022

A. Hello Jared

I feel your pain about the probes getting wet along with somewhat regular replacement of the probe. Here is a suggestion and all it would take is a little bit of discipline by the user. After the probe has been used to check thickness, use a rag to wipe the end dry. Then if you plan to store it on the line for further daily use, you can invest in a small tote with a locking cover. nothing extravagant or ornate. You might even be able to pick one up at the dollar store. They have a locking lid. The tote or storage container will keep the unit out of the line of fire from the hoses used to rinse any parts as well. you may also consider storing it in the container of which it was shipped to you by the vendor, being sure to keep it closed and the lid snapped shut. Find a shelf and tuck it away again out of the line of fire from the hoses.

Philip J. Verzal
Saporito Finishing Co.
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Cicero, Illinois
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Closely related Q&A's, oldest first:

1999

RFQ: We would like to purchase equipment to measure the thickness of Type II and III anodize coatings on our aluminum parts. Total thickness is typically 0.0002-0.0020.

Paul B [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
Norristown, Pennsylvania
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August 14, 2009

Q. Please refer below details measured using Fisher Dualscope Thickness Measurement:
a) Sample without anodizing = 2.5 - 3 micron
b) Sample suspected without anodizing= 6.5 micron
c) Spec called out = 5 ~ 15 micron.
How can we judge the reading of anodizing?

If the non-coated sample reads at 3 micron, discoloration samples read at 6.5 micron. From 3 to 6.5 is only vary by 3.5 micron, this reading is out of specification.
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6.5 micron is the final result and it passes the specification.

Please help to advice which conclusion is true.
Thanks you very much.

Jeffery Loong
Engineer - Malaysia
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Defelsko Positector combo magnetic & eddy-current coating thickness tester


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August 17, 2009

A. First you have to "standardize" (calibrate) the eddy current instrument on clean BARE (no oxide) aluminum of same alloy and same heat treatment to be measured. Then use the plastic foil over the same clean aluminum and set the high end of the meter. Now you ready to measure the part (again of same alloy and same heat treatment).

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Robert H Probert
Robert H Probert Technical Services
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Garner, North Carolina
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August 19, 2009

A. Please review the calibration once again prior to checking and then check again the bare aluminium (I presume it's aluminium metal)- if necessary to be sure whether it's bare aluminium or not, just emery the surface and then measure. Because aluminium surface gets naturally oxidised in atmosphere which could interfere in measuring.

Good luck.
S. Basu

Srimay Basu
- Dubai, U.A.E.
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Measuring hard anodise thickness concentricity

January 27, 2010

Q. I am a UK Manufacturing engineer, on assignment in Indonesia where my Company, has a Joint Venture with an Indonesian company, manufacturing components for aircraft wing control surfaces. We have a hard anodizing process line here and have a new component that requires a hard anodised, through bore, 12,825 mm diameter by 56 mm long in a prismatic block.
The bore has a thickness requirement of nominally 50 microns which, after honing, must be concentric to the original aluminium bore within +2 to -5 microns per surface (on radius).

My customer requires that we demonstrate, on an ongoing basis, adherence to this requirement

My question is, does anyone know of a measuring instrument or method on the market (Eddy Current, Ultrasonic etc,etc), other than direct measurement (on a CMM for example), that could measure this degree of concentricity accuracy, in a bore this small ?

Stuart Fletcher
Manufacturing engineer - Aerospace - Bandung, Indonesia
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Automatic aluminium anodize thickness inspection

January 31, 2010

Q. Hello !

I am looking for a solution for automatic aluminum anodize thickness inspection on the process . We are anodizing a 6060 or 6063 aluminum profiles for architecture needs.
Most of the times the jig contains different profiles.
Today we measure thickness manually.

Thank you for a help

Dmitri Repkin
engineer - Israel
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February 4, 2010

A. Mid-IR can quantify coating weight if that meets your needs.

Terry Tomt
- Auburn, Washington, USA
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March 15, 2013

Q. We anodize aluminum. We have an eddy current tester, however, I have some concerns. If I test a part then lift the probe and test it again I get a different number. Is this normal? I am close to the edge of the part. Is this a factor? Thanks for the help in advance.

Curtis Robb
- Franklin, Indiana, USA
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March 16, 2013

A. Yes, most definitively measuring the coating thickness near an edge will give you a lot of variance in your measurements. I've used many different models of eddy current testers over the years, and the manual on every one of them states that you should not measure close to an edge.

Of course, I'm also assuming that your gauge is calibrated daily with a certified shim that's close to the thickness you are trying to achieve with your coating, and on a surface that's representative of the one you are coating (both in roughness, and alloy).

Marc Green
Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho
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Accuracy of Eddy Current Meters?

July 1, 2013

Q. Marc et. al., I have concerns with regard to the accuracy of any eddy current meter. Specifically, I'm not convinced that they can measure the thickness accurately given the differences in coloring methods, let alone the vast possibilities in pore aspect ratio (pore diameter vs. interpore distance) and sealing methods. What are your thoughts?

I'm specifying Type II, Class I architectural coating (18 µm minimum) with electrolytic (2-step) coloring on 6063 T6 aluminum, if that helps.

Thanks!

Ben Nielsen
- Newark, Delaware, USA
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July 11, 2013

A. Ben,

Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong, but if your probe is designed for non-conductive coatings only then I wouldn't think a tin or nickel, 2 step coloring, should interfere with the thickness measurement.

Tim Hamlett
Tim Hamlett, CEF
- West Palm Beach, Florida, USA
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October 27, 2015

Q. Dear all;

I am new worker on the chemical coating process. Therefore my experience about the coating process is not enough to decide which method is the best for measuring the thickness of the coated film -- Eddy current or ultrasonic? My coated film types are anodize of aluminium, Cd and Zn plating on aluminium, and wet paint thickness. If you consider all these coating processes Which method should be chosen for measuring the thickness?
In addition, my company works in aerospace industry. Because of that reason, the method of the thickness measurement should fit the industry.

Please help me to choose correct device, I will purchase thickness measurement equipment.

Many thanks

irem_bogaz
Irem Tuncel Boğaz
Chemical Coating Engineer - Izmir, Turkey
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Thickness Testing method for Chromic acid anodising

July 18, 2016

Q. I want to know about what could be the best method of testing of Coating in case of chromic acid anodised material. Kindly suggest me a method other than Electrical breakdown as IS 1865 clearly states that chromic acid anodised material is not under the scope of electrical breakdown. Same goes in the case of eddy current method which is for sulphuric acid anodising and neither continuity method.

Shishir Shrivastava
Manufacturing engineer - Ranchi, Jharkhand, India
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simultaneous July 19, 2016 -- not posted until August 10; editor apologizes for misfiling!

A. Hi Shishir,

The most common way of checking chromic acid anodizing is by coating weight. MIL-A-8625 will give you details of the test. This is not done on every bath load, but usually on a monthly basis to ensure a minimum film thickness is maintained.

Brian Terry
Aerospace - Yeovil, Somerset, UK
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August 10, 2016

A. Good day Shishir.

Since you have not received a response, I will offer one.
I do not know to which specs you are working towards, but I deal with coating weights, for chromic, sulfuric, and thin film anodize, to meet specs. For hard anodize, we measure thickness (0.002 ± 0.0002) and also conduct coating weights.

Regards,

Eric Bogner, Lab. Tech
Aerotek Mfg. Ltd. - Whitby, Ontario, Canada
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