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Analytical tool to measure saccharin and butynediol concentrations in Nickel sulfamate electroforming bath


A discussion started in 2007 but continuing through 2019

2007

Our topic might not be very interesting but the answer should be easy...
We are a surface treatment company that has just developed its own Nickel electroforming process. We use for the first time organic compounds like saccharine & butynediol.
We don't know how to measure the concentrations of these compounds in our bath. So far we have sub-contracted the measurements but we would like to make them internally since we are industrialising our process for large production. We have seen in the litterature that CV Cyclic Voltammetry could be used. There must be well established techniques and analytical equipment since organic compounds are quite widely used in electroplating.

JULIO VALLES
Plating shop technician - Toulouse, France


First of two simultaneous responses -- 2007

The best way is probably to use HPLC; I got saccharin alalysis down to about 10ppb detection limit and 1,4-butyne diol down to about 100ppb. I cannot recall if I used a conductivity or UV detector, but I used acetyl nitrile as a solvent and the equipment was made by Dionex. The problem is that the concentrations are very low in the electroforming bath, but the nickel levels are very high, so high dilutions need to be used. I know you can use solvent extraction (chloroform) for sccharin, but do not know for butyne diol, so perhaps a technique could be developed around that methodology....

trevor crichton
Trevor Crichton
R&D practical scientist
Chesham, Bucks, UK


Second of two simultaneous responses -- 2007

The method that I use is based upon proprietary reagents so I won't give it to you. It is, however, based upon information available from the suppliers of sodium sacsharin and 1,4 butynediol. I would suggest you get the information from them for relativly simple wet titrations.

Gene Packman
- Great Neck, New York


2007

Thank's Trevor, Gene for your quick responses.
Indeed HPLC is the technique used for the analysis of saccharine in the food industry (according to the litterature). But most of surface treatment company cannot afford to buy such equipment...
From my knowledge they use manual or automated tritation techniques.
I have seen a couple of publications on potentiometric titration for saccharine, but nothing for butynediol.
Cyclic Voltammetry seems to be a good candidate too, but it might require skilled technician to run it.
I will contact the suppliers of the products as suggested by Gene , and will let you know...
Kind regards
Julio

Julio VALLES
Electroforming - Toulouse, France


2007

Depending on how quantitative you want to get, you might have luck with a TLC or paper chromatography technique.
How intense the visualized spot is can give you some semi-quantitative information.

There are likely methods in the AOAC handbook (food analysis) for saccharin that could be adapted to your problem. If you can get that compound with the triple bond extracted from the solution matrix, you might have luck reacting it with a known amount of bromine, then back titrating the excess.

dave wichern
Dave Wichern
Consultant - The Bronx, New York


First of two simultaneous responses -- 2007

Julio,
I have a procedure that will work for you. You need to determine the "factor". This you do by analyzing a known quantity of the sodium saccharin in solution.

1. Pipet a 50 ml sample of the nickel solution and pour into a pear shaped seperatory funnel.
2. Add 2 ml concentrated Hydrochloric Acid. Shake well for 1 to 2 minutes. Then add 25 ml Ethyl Acetate. Shake well again for 2 to 3 minutes and allow to settle
3. Run lower nickel layer off into a beaker. (retain for further use). Wah ethyl acetate layer with DI water by running the water down the side of the seperatory funnel. Alow to separate (do not shake) and run off and discard lower layer.
4. Repeat washing a second time. Check the ph of tjhe wash water being drawn off (should be about 4.5) Transfer ethyl acetate to a 250 ml Ehrlenmeyer flask
5. Put retained nickel layer into seperatory funnel. Extract and wash as before.
6. Combine both extractions in the same flask. Add 10 ml methyl alcohol and 1 ml Brom Cresol Purple Indicator. Titrate to a blue endpoint with 0.1N Sodium Hydroxide.
7. Using you standard calculate the sodium saccharin concentration.

(This procedure adapted from that used to measure some nickel stress relievers/carriers).
2.

Gene Packman
process supplier - Great Neck, New York


Second of two simultaneous responses -- 2007

Thank's Dave,

Indeed there are analytical techniques and even standards for saccharine in the food industry but the ones I found use HPLC, as suggested by Trevor.
I look for something less expensive, in terms of equipment investment.
The bromine lead for butynediol can be investigated...
Potentiometric titration is another lead that we investigate...but most likely we won't be able to measure both compounds at the same time, we will need to extract one of them.
We have contacted our product suppliers as suggested by Gene, but so far no relevant answer from them...
So we keep on searching...

JULIO VALLES
Electroforming - Toulouse, France


June 30, 2010

I'm curious if you found a technique to analyze the Butynediol? Particularly any specifics on the titration method...

Thanks for any responses.

Dana Walker
- Seattle, Washington, USA


January 6, 2011

Concerning the HPLC method of determining butynediol by Trevor Crichton: The solvent mentioned is acetyl nitrile; is that the same as acetonitrile?

Ulla Petersen
- Kvistgaard, Denmark


Brightener consumption in nickel plating

April 23, 2019

Q. Hello everyone
I want to say thanks first -- I learn so much on this website from forums and members.
I have a small bath 20 l of bright nickel: nickel sulfate, nickel chloride boric acid and brighteners. Now after time of plating I suppose have brightener consumption and get semi-bright deposit. I don't have access to any lab for detailed analysis of solution etc. -- just basics pH, temp...
So what I am asking for help with is which brightener is consumed more while plating, saccharine or 1,4 butynediol? I don't have much drag out loses because I spray parts with distilled water above tank after plating.
Should I put 1/3 of total when making bath, of saccharine and 1/3 of 1,4 butynediol. Or more? How much? What is more consumed during plating saccharine or butynediol? Also at startup of bath it is added small amount of phthalmide. Any advice is appreciated.

Marin Rakuljic
- Split, Croatia


April 2019

ASM Metal Handbook
9th Edition, Vol. 5

"Surface Cleaning, Finishing & Coating"

from Abe Books
or
info on Amazon

A. Hi Marin. This is book knowledge, not advice from an experienced nickel plater ...

Saccharin is considered a "carrier" which extends the bright range; it is used in the wide range of 1 to 24 g/l and is not consumed except by dragout (of which you have almost none). 1,4 butynediol is considered both a brightener and an auxiliary brightener, and is used in the very wide range of 0.005 to 4 g/l, and it is consumed by electrolysis. The above is extracted from ASM Metals Handbook vol. 5.

It sounds to me like you should add the 1,4 butynediol but no saccharin, and that your first acquisition should probably be a Hull Cell :-)

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
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Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"


April 26, 2019

thumbs up sign Thanks very much Ted for that information. I will do what the book says.
And I really need to buy that book.
Best regards,

Marin Rakuljic [returning]
- Split, Croatia



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