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Reducing galvanizing thickness by adding nickel salts

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A discussion started in 2007 but continuing through 2019

2007

Q. Dear Sir,
To reduce the coating thickness,some galvanizers use Ni contained salts and the other metallic salts in the fluxing or directly adding Nickel into Kettle,
Do you suggest any idea or solution besides of above suggestion?
Thanks

Hakan Esen
Hakan Esen, Material Engineer(BSc.)
galvanizing plant manager - Bursa, Turkey


2007

A. Sir,
Listed in the order of most effective first, the following have been found to reduce zinc coating thickness on reactive steels (those higher in silicon and phosphorus):
(1) IQM (my trade secret; it means Improved Quality Method)
(2) quadraflux (read my article in Metal Finishing)
(3) lower zinc temperature (828 F; 442 C; requires deep kettle with adequate thermal capacity)
(4) short zinc immersion times (approx. 1 to 3 minutes; which requires absolute flux control and quadraflux)
(5) process control of caustic, pickling, flux
Regards,

Dr. Thomas H. Cook
Galvanizing Consultant - Hot Springs, South Dakota 57747


January 27, 2009

Q. Hi,
According to some articles, Ni tablets are preferable in the molten zinc to reach the less zinc consumption. As I asked before, what is the range of Nickel in the molten zinc and which type is preferred (nickel powder, nickel tablet and Ni based flux)
For 1 and half year, we utilize nickel salts based flux solution, and suppliers in Dubai (Middle East Conference of IZA) suggest advantages of utilization of nickel,especially tablet form.
What do you think about this phenomena? (addition type,nickel effect and optimum range)

Thanks
Regards..

Hakan Esen
Hakan Esen, Material Engineer(BSc.)
galvanizing plant manager - Bursa, Turkey


simultaneous March 9, 2009

A. An other option is buying zinc that is already does with Ni. This saves any issues about how much Ni is recovered into the melt, and of getting the dosage rate wrong. Buy it premixed and save all uncertainty.

Geoff Crowley
Geoff Crowley
galvanizing & powder coating shop
Glasgow, Scotland



March 10, 2009

A. Sir:

Nickel is only effective in the maximum "bump" of the Sandlin Curve (e.g. between about 0.04% and about 0.2% Silicon in the semi-killed and killed steels). Outside this range nickel has little effect.

Because nickel is known to cause cancer, I believe that nickel salts in the flux are too dangerous.

The use of nickel metal powder in the zinc metal is well known and because I think this may be covered by by a world patent, it is inappropriate for me to post the percent nickel metal in the metallic zinc.

By "nickel tablet," if you mean nickel powder suspended in wax, then I can only say that in a few weeks I will be putting one of these tablets onto a molten zinc bath and measuring the nickel content of the smoke that is formed.

I suggest that you search the world patent literature for the answer to your question. Keep in mind that what is contained in the world patents are often modified by practical experience.

Regards,

Dr. Thomas H. Cook
Galvanizing Consultant - Hot Springs, South Dakota



June 14, 2011 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. Dear sir,
We are general galvanizers. We are galvanizing steel gratings, structural steels,oil pipes. All materials having silicon percentage from 0.15-0.40. Our zinc consumption per ton is 60 kg. Our consumption is very high. The coating thickness is 150 to 300 microns. Please advise us how to reduce zinc consumption in high silicon materials.

Azeez Mahaboobjan
galvanizing. - Dammam, Saudi Arabia.



September 30, 2013

Q. Dear Mr Cook,

Good day to you,
Referring to the above mentioned "Nickel suspended in wax", do you mind sharing the measurement results of nickel content in the smoke?

Also, regarding the mentioned IQM, can I get a brief introduction? Not sure how to proceed.

Thanks & regards,

CS Leong
- Selangor, Malaysia



March 5, 2019

Q. Hi
I am a mechanical engineer but work in hot dip galvanized pipe industry in Vietnam. My factory has been in operation for only 1 year.
We are planning to use NiCl2 (NiCl2 and NH4Cl) in aqueous Flux solution before galvanized.
I do not know when I use NH4OH and H2O2 to treat acid (HCl) and Fe2+ in Flux solution whether to affect NiCl2 in Flux solution, thanks to the analysts help me.
The reason we want to use NiCl2 in Flux solution to reduce the zinc layer thickness. I need some expert advice for this and give me the proper concentration of NiCl2 and NH4Cl (the immersion time is 1 minute in zinc tank).

Thanks & regards,

PHAM NGUYEN XUAN TRUONG
Vina One Steel Manufacturing Corporation - Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam


March 6, 2019

A. Nickel is well known to produce human lung cancer. Also it is unlikely that you can maintain proper nickel in the flux or purify out the iron. Because pipes are normally made from relatively non-reactive steel, and zinc immersion times are short (one minute), I expect your flux is not well formulated.

In South Africa, four pipes galvanizing lines had very low ACN and high baumé. This produced 200 microns on the inside of the pipes with very rough coatings. We increased the ACN, and made other changes and got between 20 and 40 microns on the inside of the pipes. The plant managers said the inside zinc coating was as smooth as a baby's butt. We also heated the air for the outside blow which decreased the outside zinc coating thickness. They also put in two steam accumulators which gave a much better internal blow.

The major pipes galvanizer in the USA uses super-heated steam.

Regards,

Dr. Thomas H. Cook
Galvanizing Consultant - Hot Springs, South Dakota



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