Summary for low pH in ced bath Discussion
Low pH problem in CED bath discussions point first to anolyte-side leaks or flow issues. In the 2022 reply, Belanovich Dmitriy said a dropping anolyte tank level usually suggests a damaged anode membrane, a leaky hose/fitting connection, or a leaking anolyte discharge valve. Earlier answers to a similar question said low pH in CED is often tied to membrane damage; Manish Dhyani noted that pH in CED normally tends to rise and can be corrected with acetic acid, so a falling pH is alarming. Other contributors suggested dumping permeate, checking MEQ, draining fresh permeate, adding fresh DI water, and adjusting ash content. For a 2017 case with clear anolyte and no visible membrane leaks, Avnash Vidhate added that bacterial growth blocking the anolyte return line can cause overflow into the CED tank, so the anolyte level should be checked for dropping.
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Q. What is the remedy for anolyte tank level always dropping. Also having the same low pH problem.
Blinktwice Haja
– Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
November 1, 2022
A. Good day Blinktwice Haja
It’s seems that anode membrane is damage or leaky connection of hoses with fittings, or anolyte discharge valve from tank is leaking.
All the best,
Belanovich Dmitriy
– Minsk, Belarus
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Q. Dear Sir
We are having the CED
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Now we are facing the problem of low PH in bath Paint 4.6 and we want to bring it up to 6.2, low conductivity,and high NVM (more than upper limit).
Please suggest how can we control the pH of bath so that we can get the desired DFT.
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Satyendra Sachan
Manager Paint Process – Faridabad, Haryana, India
2007
A. Dear Sachan,
pH always increases in CED Bath which could be brought back to normal range by adding “acetic acid
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Manish Dhyani
– Noida, India
A. Dear Mr. Satyendra Sachan,
You are facing a quite familiar problem of low pH, which can be simply be rectified by dumping of permeate.
I hope your problem be solved.
Thanks.
R.K.Singh
– Delhi, India
A. Dear Satyendra,
Please check the MEQ (milliequivalents). If high then reduce the MEQ by draining the fresh permeate and adding fresh DI water in bath with specific additives and increase the value of ash %.
Thanks
Kuldeep Yadav
– Gurgaon, India
A. Drain permeate and add fresh DI water.
Also by increasing ASH contents… if you don’t want to increase ASH then add some resin that is used in pigment making process.
Liaqat Bashir
– Lahore, Pakistan
May 15, 2013
Q. The CED bath at one of my customers is having a very low pH (5.2). I have checked all the anodes — none have leakage. The anolyte solution is clear. Incoming DIW is good with pH 6.7, raw paint is well within spec.
What else could be the known cause for low pH? I have advised UF drain and fresh make-up, but I want to get to the root cause.
Rajesh G
Technical Service Manager – Pune, India
June 25, 2017
A. Anolyte line may get blocked due to the bacterial growth in return line & anolyte may overflow in CED tank.Please check ANOLYTE level in Anolyte tank, it might be dropping.
Avnash Vidhate
– Nashik, Maharashtra, INDIA
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Q. Water spot problem in CED
Kishan raiyani
Mfg – Rajkot, gujrat, India.
April 4, 2022
A. I’m not at all sure they are water spots, Kishan :-)
But if they are, other than suggesting that maybe this one part wasn’t rinsed properly, it’s hard to suggest anything with no data. Please give us some info. Thanks!
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A. It may be some water droplets out from de-moisture gun at air station; ED bath parameters required to get possible answer.
Mustafa khan
– Faridabad, Haryana
February 14, 2023