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Dark smut on conversion coated cast aluminum parts


A discussion started in 2006 but continuing through 2019

2006

Q. I just had some cast aluminum parts (alloy 380) chromate-conversion coated. The result is totally unexpected. We are somehow new to cast aluminum parts. The majority of our products are made out of extruded aluminum, employing alloys with a lower silicone content. In the past, conversion coating has not presented any problems for these machined parts. However, when we conversion-coated the cast parts, I noticed a very uneven coat (patchy yellow spots) and some sections presented a dark smut film. The purpose for the conversion coating is not only to protect the aluminum parts against corrosion but mainly for powder-coating preparation. Besides specifying ASTM B449-93 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet]-67, is there any other criteria I should specify to obtain satisfactory results with conversion-coated cast aluminum parts? Should I specify any other type of coating more suitable for this kind of process? I would greatly appreciate any insight on this issue.

Thanks.

Rolando Toledo
Electronics Enclosures Engineer - North Hills, California, USA


2006

A. You chromate aluminum metal. You do not chromate the 15.4 % of non-aluminum alloying ingredients of 380. Many chromating job shops do not know how to reduce the silicon (and other stuff) from the surface. Some so-called 380 die cast will plainly not uniformly chromate. Thin walls cool faster than thick sections and more silicon comes to the top. The best advice to give your chromater is to Clean, DO NOT ALKALI ETCH, deox for 20 to 30 seconds in 50%/vol Nitric Acid with one pound per gallon ammonium bifluoride.
This will not match your 6061, but it will be as good as you can get on that particular casting.

robert probert
Robert H Probert
Robert H Probert Technical Services
supporting advertiser
Garner, North Carolina
Editor's note: Mr. Probert is the author of Aluminum How-To / Aluminio El Como
and co-author of The Sulfamate Nickel How-To Guide



October 16, 2017

Q. Hello, We are having an issue with some smut/dirtiness making it through our Chem Film line. This smut is a dark powder that you can rub off with your finger. We thought it had to do with our pH and concentration levels of the Alodine at first, but we made some adjustments, (now running the pH around 1.75 and concentration about 1.05 oz/gal.) When the problem continued, we saw that the smut first was visible after the etch tank. We are thinking there is a problem in our etch or deox tanks. However, we are uncertain. See the details of our process below. We have a few questions that directly relate to this issue as well as ones that may indirectly lead us to a solution.

1. What are some recommendations or suggestions?
2. Are our chemicals for the etch and deox sufficient and correct?
3. Is the amount of air agitation a large factor to removing smut?
  a. We do have air agitation but have lost some air pressure recently and are considering the lower agitation a possible cause.
4. We perform water break test after our cleaner in Tank 1. Should we be performing this test after the deox? If the water break test fails, should the job be re-started?

Thank you in advance for your time and suggestions.

Our Line is as follows.
CHEMICAL FILM PER MIL-DTL-5541 CLASS 1A
MATERIAL: 6061, 2024 aluminum

Process Chemical & Concentration Time
Degrease SC-78K 4-10 oz/gal 2-10 min, air agitation
Dip Rinse in & out, air agitation
Spray Rinse in & out
Etch SC-608B 4-10 oz/gal 30 secs, air agitation
Dip Rinse in & out, air agitation
Spray Rinse in & out
Desmut Deoxidize SC-592 6-15% 1-3 min, air agitation
Dip Rinse in & out, air agitation
Spray Rinse in & out
Chem Film ALODINE 1200s 15 sec - 3 min air agitation
Dip Rinse in & out, air agitation

Joseph Lonigro
- Magnolia, Arkansas, USA


simultaneous October 18, 2017

A. Joseph, try a 10-15 minute final rinse and letting the parts dry before handling them. Sounds to me like residual residue from the Alodine.

Ryan Underwood
PPC - SAVANNAH, Georgia USA


October 17, 2017

A. Joseph

I would not etch the parts unless absolutely necessary i.e. the surface has a heavy mill skin. If you must etch the parts, deox the parts prior to etching so that you can reduce the etch time. Less etch, less smut. Solution agitation accelerates the rate at which the deox will remove smut. If the deox isn't up to par on chemistry, a longer immersion would likely help.

Your rinse times are on the short side for me. Very short. If you don't get the soap off the surface of the parts, the water break test isn't worth much. Yes, start over if the WB test fails. If you perform the WB test after the soap, you know you won't have contaminants that could interfere with subsequent steps.

Willie Alexander
- Green Mountain Falls, Colorado



Alodine 2600 chemical post treatment on diecast ADC10 (~A380)

January 24, 2019

Q. Hi,

We have some custom designed early sample diecast parts that are supposed to be Alodine 2600 coated. The parts have cosmetic issues that lead us to be concerned that maybe the chromate step could have been accidentally skipped. An associate engineer suggested a way to test is to apply pressure to a surface with a white cotton glove or equivalent. If black residue transfers from the part then it may not have been chromate coated. I did so, and black residue transferred.
The factory responded that the parts are chromated with Alodine 2600, a clear chromate. The alloy is ADC10.

This is an electronic enclosure where surface resistivity is critical. I do not currently have access to surface resistivity probes.
Do you have any knowledge if I should be concerned regarding the ability to wipe the part with pressure and get black residue/particulate to transfer?

I have monitored this site off and on for years, first time posting.

Best Regards,

tom eagan
- north chelmsford, Massachusetts


January 28, 2019

Q.
We are designing a modem and are having a similar problem with ADC10 die cast parts.
I posted a previous question last Friday (Jan 25) but after further searching of this site and others, I now have the phrase dark or black smut which seems to be more specific.

Questions:
1.) Our enclosure is an electrical enclosure that needs low electrical surface resistivity, we have specified Alodine 2600 clear, for RF containment.
Do you know if this black smut will act as an electrical insulator?
Some areas I can see the black residue clearly, other areas if I wipe hard I can get black residue to transfer.
Would I be correct to assume that areas that do not appear black likely have good electrical surface resistivity?

tom eagan [returning]
bleck design group - north chelmsford


January 29, 2019

A. Hi Tom, black smut on Aluminum castings is a very common issue and nearly always stems from problems surrounding the DeOx step: insufficient time in the DeOx (should pass a white glove smear test before proceeding), the wrong kind of DeOx (Nitric-Sulfuric-Ferric combination is great), insufficient concentration in the DeOx (run to Manufacturer's recommended levels), too much contaminant buildup (Silicon is an easy red flag to test for and maintain below 30ppm- your alloy has a LOT of it, up to almost 10%, which makes the Alodine process more difficult even in a clean DeOx tank), insufficient rinsing, or some combination of these. Furthermore, if the tank is being used for a two step process on castings- yours or others'- such as Alodine->Mask->Strip->Hardcoat (this is very very common) that requires time in a caustic etch prior to DeOx to remove the unwanted portion of the Alodine, these problems may become more serious due to a much faster rate of contaminant buildup.
And then the conversion coating simply does not work, and you are not getting back parts processed per your PO.
I've never checked resistivity of the smut itself as it's not supposed to be there to begin with. It is a deposit of alloying constituents, and should have been removed by the time the part leaves the DeOx tank.

rachel_mackintosh
Rachel Mackintosh
Plating Solutions Control Specialist / Industrial Metals Waste Treatment - Brattleboro, Vermont


January 29, 2019

thumbs up sign Thank you Rachel.
We will investigate the chromate line being used for our parts.

tom eagan [returning]
bleck design group - north chelmsford


January 30, 2019

A. I preach that the ferric based deox is not the best for most diecast. Clean in non-silicated, skip the alkaline etch, deox in 50%/vol commercial nitric acid with one pound per gallon ammonium bifuoride, watch the part turn frothy white all over, 'bout 20 seconds in a fresh bath, rinse twice and chromate. But, again, all diecast metal is different, the recipe has wide ranges.

robert probert
Robert H Probert
Robert H Probert Technical Services
Garner, North Carolina



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