Tri cationic phosphating: smart fixes for poor bath performance

Summary for tri cationic phosphating Discussion

Tri cationic phosphating is the focus of this thread, where Hamed Khakzad amirkabir asks why his Henkel bath gives a smooth, dense coating at first but performs poorly after two immersion cycles, with high sludge, hard water, and questions about improving salt spray resistance and bath conditions. A. Wagstaff says the process sequence is not normal because an acid degreasing tank should not precede zinc phosphating; he recommends alkali cleaning/degreasing, rinses, conditioning, and then the tricationic phosphate stage, and advises getting more guidance from Henkel. Rahul Deshpande adds that the bath should be controlled by maintaining the total acid to free acid ratio and accelerator concentration, and suggests taking the derusting acid bath offline for better phosphate bath maintenance. The thread does not give a single formula or additive recommendation, but emphasizes proper pretreatment and bath control.

Q. I am a metal engineer. I am studying about conversion coating (tri-cationic phosphating bath). My coating bath is from Henkel company.

My process stages consist of:
• oil cleaning
• acid washing (sulfuric acid 5%)
• water rinse
• phosphating bath
• water rinse

The way of coating is immersion method.

The resulting coating is very smooth, dense and light gray color … but after two time immersion coating the bath is not working good (my pieces are st37 steel plates.

How can I improve the bath?
What are the best conditions of my bath?
Must I add other materials into the working bath?
What must I add to the bath for increase the salt spray time?
My bath sludge is very high. How can I solve this problem.
The water that I use is very hard. How can I solve this problem?

Hamed Khakzad
amirkabir – Tehran
2005

A. You should go back to Henkel and get some more advice. It is not normal at all to have an acid degreasing tank prior to Zinc Phosphating; this should be an alkali cleaning degreasing bath. Prior to Tricat phosphate it is normal to have:
alkali wash
2x rinse
conditioning rinse or conditioner spray
tricationic phosphate.

A Wagstaff
– Lincs, UK

A. Dear Mr.Hamed,

Please ensure the ratio of total acid to free acid per 10 lots, also ensure accelerator concentration in the bath.
You need to maintain TA:FA ratio along with the concentration of an accelerator. This will help you for consistent results.

You can also off-line your derusting (Acid) bath for better maintenance of your phosphate bath.

Rahul Deshpande
– Aurangabad, Maharashtra, India
August 19, 2010


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Q. Hello.
What do I do to improve the zinc pot bath?
Thank you.

Saeed Biabani
– Iran
2005

A. More words please, Mr. Biabani. I don’t understand even very generally what you are doing yet, let alone any of your details. Thanks.

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