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topic 34465

Pre coating for sublimation transfers onto ceramic

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January 9, 2021

Q. I've been cheat sublimating with laminating sheets and it has come out really good ... but obviously with it being clear you see the background of the wood/board/tile..how can I colour the surface before using the laminating sheets? Could I spray with radiator paint because this paint can withstand the heat, then heat the sheets on top? Thanks.

sue jackson
- east anglia uk




January 2021

A. Hi Sue. I don't know what 'cheat sublimating' is, or if that was a typo for 'cheap' or something else. You can certainly paint wood and boards with high temperature paint -- not necessarily 'radiator paint', but maybe 'engine paint'.

Getting good adhesion onto ceramic tile is not easy because the surface is very deliberately designed to be glass-like with no absorption and no tooth. I'd suggest starting with studying this thread, then maybe googling 'painting ceramic tile' to get some hints on necessary sanding and primers; there are a lot of good instructions and videos.

If you have had 'really good' results sublimating onto tile except for the background color showing through, please take the time to tell Joneth what he's doing wrong. Each previous question left unanswered is one more thing distracting/delaying reader's focus from helping you with your problem :-)

Luck & Regards,

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Previous closely related Q&A's starting in:

2005

Q. I would like to find a liquid that I could apply on ceramic tiles to allow me to have a base coating (polymer type or other) to accept sublimation transfers.

I am experimenting on my own to do my sublimation transfers onto tiles that I can coat myself without having to buy pre coated tiles designated for sublimation printing onto tiles.

The reason of my inquiry is that I want to develop in Tunisia a tile decorating business using local tiles with sublimation hot transfer printing. Commercially pre coated tiles for sublimation transfers are not available in Tunisia.

I would appreciate any advice or information on this subject.

Sincerely yours

Ameur Ben Arab
- San Francisco, California


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October 2010

A. Hi, folks. According to coating consultant Carl Izzo, Nov. 2005, in Products Finishing magazine: two-component polyester coatings are suggested. For small jobs, polyester casting and coating resins are available from craft stores. For larger projects, mix the components and use a conventional spray gun (using it up quickly and cleaning the equipment because of the short shelf life) or use a two-head spray gun. I have no personal experience in this though.

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February 23, 2011

A. The answer is simple and it will solve all your coating problems. Go to your local automotive paint supplier and buy the best white primer and matching clearcoat and that is all you need. Let it dry for 24 hours or bake for 20 minutes at 200 degrees and you are ready to sublimate on any surface, porous or non-porous.

Wilfredo Torres
- Ponce, Puerto Rico


thumbs up sign Thanks Wilfredo!

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February 6, 2013

A. Mix Acetone maximum 10% with Polyester resin and apply onto Ceramic mug/tile. Dry naturally and then bake at 200 °C.

Sharif Tajma
ceramic industry - Bangladesh



March 5, 2015

Q. When you use primer and clear coat, do you mix it together or apply separately and can you coat wood, glass or ceramic

Thanks

Shirley Knight
NA - Poulton-le-fylde Lancashire, England


March 2015

Hi Shirley. You would certainly not mix two different paint systems like a primer and a clearcoat. You apply the primer first, then the clearcoat.

But other than that, I'm not sure if I understand the question, and don't want to mislead you. Many paints, including epoxies and automotive clearcoats, are 2K (2-part, 2-component) systems; they don't "dry" -- rather the two components chemically react with each other to cause the hardening. Wilfredo is implying that this advice will work on any surface. Good luck.

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November 2, 2015

Q. I am wondering ... you say that you can use automotive paints to sublimate, I need to use on Tiles also. Is the product everlasting, can it withstand water and sun?
since it is a automotive paint? can the tiles be used to walk upon?
I really want to try this method, just I am trying to find the correct paint suggested which you suggested is " best white primer and matching clear coat"
I will try this, and keep all posted with results
I have a press and I currently do printing on aluminum, so it will be interesting to know

Stephanie McGehee
Metal Fusion Kuwait - kuwait city, Kuwait



December 16, 2015

Q. Same coating use on mug, what is sublimation liquid, and is it harmful for health?

Mitesh vanjalkar
- Nagpur, maharashtra, India


January 27, 2018

A. Just a response to this sublimation subject. I tried most of the suggested methods in this thread and a previous one. I found the auto clear coat suggestion a winner for sublimation on tile. I tried bisque tile and store bought ceramic floor tile with high success. I used a 4 to 1 system from a auto paint store. I waited two days after coating, then, after trials, found that 400 °F for 6 minutes with medium pressure was a good recipe. My next clear coat purchase will probably be a 2 to 1 system which I'm told produces a thicker coating.

Dennis Moore
NW Gyotaku - Gig Harbor, Washington, US



April 9, 2018

Q. Hi,

Thank you for all this information. I want to do small craft projects. I am still wondering: after putting on the car paint and letting it rest 24 hours, is it safe to put it in my home oven? Or chemicals will be in the breathing air afterwords? Or I should not worry?

Thank you very much,

Andreanne Charbonneau-D.
- Montreal, Quebec, Canada


April 2018

Hi Andreanne. Maybe someone else will give you justification to do this, but my opinion, quoted from other letters on this site is:

Kitchen ovens should be reserved solely for food service. That's harsh I know -- but it's just not a good idea to try to decide which facets of what hobbies and home & auto repairs can be pushed just how far in your food oven. It's human nature that if you don't get a separate oven the first time, you never will; and with each project you'll keep increasing the risk further and further :-)

Regards,

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April 13, 2018

Q. Hello, I am wondering if you need to use the white automotive paint or if you can just clear coat a mug you already have that is already a light color?

LaVonna Hardin
- Yuba City, California USA


April 2018

Hi LaVonna. It seems to me that Wilfredo is implying that the clear coat, rather than the white paint, is what absorbs the sublimated gasses. But whether the clearcoat will reliably stick to your mug without a primer is probably a subject for trial & error. Please share & share alike and let us know what happened.

Regards,

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May 26, 2018

Q. Concerning the white auto primer and clear coat. You mentioned that a chemical reaction is what hardens the finish. Is the primer allowed to dry before applying the CC, or is the CC applied immediately after the primer?

Jim Sears
- Jeffersonville, Ohio USA


May 2018

A. Hi Jim. I do neither sublimation coating nor auto painting so I'd only be guessing -- but I'd bet that almost any employee of any body repair shop can answer :-)

Regards,

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March 2, 2019

Q. What do you mean about "clear coat" -- I think is it varnish? I too am puzzled for sublimation coating. Kindly help me.

Mushtaque ali
printing busines - Dadu, Sindh pakistan


March 2019

A. Hi Mushtaque. Although in one sense "clear coat" simply means a coating that is transparent, people here are actually referring to "automotive clear coat", which is a two-component polyurethane coating.

(One of the two components is a polyol; the other is polyisocyanate. The two components 'react' with each other to harden. They can be sprayed simultaneously from a "two-component" gun, but usually they are simply mixed and then sprayed quickly before the reaction between the two components has hardened the mixture.)

Regards,

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March 19, 2019

Q. Hi I am João from Portugal. Anybody know a machine to apply the coating into tiles?

Thanks

João Seguro
- Lisbon, Portugal

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April 14, 2019

Q. Hi Guys,

I see this response above:
"February 6, 2013
Mix Acetone maximum 10% with Polyester resin and apply onto Ceramic mug/tile. Dry naturally and then bake at 200 °C."


What I would like to know is if you need to use a catalyst or can the polyester resin be mixed with acetone, left to air dry then baked? Any help much appreciated.

Tania Ismail
- Melbourne Australia


April 2019

A. Hi Tania. I know this is confusing to people but there are both single-component and two-component resin coating systems.

An example of a single component coating is typical latex or oil-based house paint or wall paint. The solvent evaporates or dries, and there might possibly even be a reaction with the oxygen in the air, but the drying or curing is self contained; everything that is needed is contained in the single-can of paint.

An example of a two-component resin is your typical "epoxy" glue where two tubes of stuff are mixed together. The one tube might be called the base or sometimes "part A", and the other tube might be called hardener, or catalyst, or sometimes "part B". Without the hardener or catalyst the base remains syrupy glop that never dries -- because the hardening depends upon a chemical reaction between the two parts.

I think the answer to your question is that the "acetone plus polyester" recipe is for a single component resin; it's not suggesting that you can use acetone in place of the catalyst hardener. I suspect that if you tried that it would remain a syrupy glop whether air-dried or baked.

Regards,

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May 11, 2019

Q. Do you need to do anything to prep the tiles before coating? Like removing the glossy glaze ?

Natasha Brooks
Perpetual Media - Rockhampton, OLD, Australia


December 20, 2019

A. USE POLYESTER RESIN WITH 2% COBALT AND 2% CATALYST. SPRAY OR COAT IT WITH SCRAPPER, LEAVE AIR DRY, OK.
FOR DELAY IN CURING USE BANANA OIL WITH THIS.

RAMNIK ANAND
TBD WOOD TEK - DELHI INDIA



Looking for pre coating for sublimation transfers on to tiles

February 20, 2020 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. I am looking for pre coating for sublimation transfers onto ceramic tiles.

Samuel Ohayon
Art student - Israel


February 2020

A. Hi Samuel. More words please! I don't know (and don't think anybody else does either) whether you are looking for a coating service who will coat your tiles for you, or a commercial precoat liquid you can buy and apply yourself, or a formula to experiment to try to make your own precoats, or instructions on how to prep the ceramic and do the process, or what. Thanks.

Regards,

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May 17, 2020

Q. Hi there

I hope someone is still active on this thread?

I read about applying 2k to normal tiles in order to sublimate on it. We bought Rustoleum 2k and my husband sprayed the test tile 3 times.

When I sublimated, it turned out bubbly and almost as if the product melted instead of the dye transferred.

I pressed it at 180 °C for 350 secs.

Any advice?

Thank you.

Joneth Dunning
- South Africa

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