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Can we improve our tin plating to 240 hours Salt Spray?

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A discussion started in 2004 but continuing through 2018

(2004)

Q. Can Pure Acid Tin obtain 240 hours in Salt Spray Tests? How can we achieve this requirement? Our client requests this and normally we plate to 24 hours, but not 240. The part is made of steel and processed in barrels, we don't know if we need to apply an undercoat of copper or nickel (thickness?) and what Tin thickness, as well as a chromate or sealer. Please advise regarding the best procedure.

Thanks for your help.

Sergio Enriquez
Job shop - Guadalaja, Jalisco, Mexico


(2004)

A. Dear Sergio,

Yes, it can resist 240 hr in SS according ASTM B117 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet] . It depends on thickness and porosity of the tin layer. Tin will protect steel only if it is pore-free. Where that is not the case, the iron becomes anodic and strong corrosion follows.

According to ISO 2093 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet]:1986 coatings are classified in four categories; group 4 extremely demanding conditions, group 3 demanding cond., group 2 moderate cond. and group 1 mild cond. Over steel the following thicknesses are required : 30, 20, 12 and 5 micron. Corrosion resistance can be improved by a copper-strike interlayer.

Test for porosity with Kesternich test (included in ASTM B545 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet] ) or ferroxyl test, plate some test parts and check corrosion resistance in the salt spray chamber to set up process parameters.

Danny Neidel
- Guadalajara, Jalisco, México


(2004)

Q. Dear Danny,

Thanks for your help. I'm not familiar with ISO 2093: 1986. what salt spray resistance is expected for each service condition 4, 3, 2 and 1 with the thicknesses mentioned?

We plated the Steel part with copper, then 8 microns of Tin and a chromate and got only 144 hours? Any recommendations? What about the use of sealers?

Gracias por tu ayuda,
Sergio

Sergio Enriquez [returning]
Job Shop - Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico


(2004)

A. Hi Sergio,

In the standard mentioned you need to plate 30 micron (group 4), 20 micron (group 3), 12 micron (group 2) and 5 micron (group 1).

To reach 240 hours in salt spray over steel you have to plate at least 20 micron. Chromates avoid staining in the parts, but it doesn't improve really corrosion resistance. If it is permitted (parts are not soldered after plating), you can use a organic sealer or lacquer. That is easy to make for rack parts, small parts in barrel tend to stick with each other. An organic sealer improves corrosion resistance 2-3 times, commercial products are available from local vendors.

I hope that's helpful.

Saludos

Danny Neidel
- Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico


(2004)

thumbs up signDanny,

Thanks for your help. I'll try with the 20 microns and a sealer.

Thanks again

Sergio Enriquez [returning]
Job Shop - Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico



July 8, 2008 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. Hi!

Our company has reel-to-reel plating of Au Ni, SnPB,& Ni finishes. Early this year, we plated a Sn-Ni finish on some electronics parts (Cu base). Plating specification is Sn = 2µm & Ni - 1.5 µm. Our practice on our finished products is to have a certain corrosion testing - High Humidity High Temp (HHHT) & Saltwater spray Test (SST). But we always encountered NO GOOD corrosion result in Sn plating when subjected to SST wherein development of black dots or discolorations were observed. HHHT result got no problem. Are Sn-Ni plated items appropriate for this kind of testing (SST)? Is this result after its corrosion test normal? Please advice.

Thanks ahead.

Diana Fe Espinosa
electroplating - Cebu City, Philippines


July 16, 2008

A. Hi Dianne,

Salt Spray test is not normal for tin coatings. Salt Spray test is a typical corrosion test for zinc or zinc alloy plating. Tin is not a common corrosion protection on parts that are exposed to severe environmental condition. For your application where tin is plated on components/parts NOT exposed to environmental condition, salt spray test may not be relevant.

Germie Maravilla
- Laguna, Philippines


August 18, 2009

A. Hi Dianne,

You don't mention the Salt spray test duration? But with the thickness that you mention, I don't think that the parts will sustain even 24 hours.

Moreover, with the thickness as you mentioned, this part only can be used in an indoor and dry environment (no condensation can occur). So, if you do Salt Spray test, it's normal if the result is failure.

Reynald Sukin
- Batam, Indonesia



May 23, 2011 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. Dear Sir,

This is regarding the constant failures of the tin plating in our fasteners that we procure from our suppliers. These fasteners (nuts, bolts and screws) are made up of mild steel and are tin plated at another supplier's end.

Now, the problem of rust after some time has been reported from our esteemed customer and we are unable to come out of it after we have maintained the plating thickness up to 12 microns also. These fasteners are failing in salt spray test constantly. Now, the salt spray test is done for 48 hours and pics of the pieces found after it are attached.

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My queries are as below,
1. Is it correct to conduct the SST on tin plated parts ?
2. If yes, then how to overcome 48 hrs. of SST ?
3. If no, then how to test the durability of tin plating ?

Please help on the above such that we may overcome the same.

Hope for a quick reply from your side.

Regards,

Rishabh Rai
engineer - Noida, U.P., India


A. Hi Rishabh.

As you see, we appended your question to a thread that pretty much answers it for you. But if you now have more questions, please get back to us. Thanks.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com Teds signature
Ted Mooney, P.E.
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey



July 27, 2012 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. I am doing some electronic assemblies which have sheet metal parts.
Base material is CRCA, and then after doing Tin plating I am unable to get salt spray life more that 5 hours.
But our customer need salt spray life more than 72 hours.

Please guide .

Nilesh Hire
- Pune , Maharashtra , India


July 27, 2012

A. Hi, Nilesh.

As you see, we appended your inquiry to a similar thread. As you will read, you are going to require rather thick tin plating to solve this problem, and possibly an organic sealer if the specs permit.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Pine Beach, New Jersey



July 10, 2014

Q. Dear sir,

I am facing a severe rust issue on tin coated sheet gasket parts. This part is assembled in between engine exhaust manifold and elbow, and also a similar part is assembled in between elbow and silencer.

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1) What's the SST life of tin coated part?
2) Is it advisable to do Aluminum coating over tin coated sheet to enhance SST life?
3) Our requirement is 240 hours SST?
4) Can we do Heat resistant black paint over tin coated sheet gasket part?

Please suggest to improve SST of tin coated sheet gasket?

Regards,

Arumuga kumar
- CHENNAI , TAMIL NADU , INDIA



June 24, 2017

Q. If we have Tin plated (5 µm) on brass, then how much hours of Salt Spray Test to be recommended?
As our result I got Rust within 96 Hours -- How to Improve it?

Subrat Kumar Behera
- pune, MH, India


April 24, 2018 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. Please can anyone help me ...
My question is whether Electro-Tin over Copper can Pass the SALT SPRAY TEST per Mil-STD-202, Method 101 [link is to free spec at Defense Logistics Agency, dla.mil], Condition B?

We already tested several time and the result is not successful even with 24 HOURS test, we plated the parts with 0.000400" MATTE ELECTRO-TIN per ASTM B545 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet] OVER 0.000100" COPPER per SAE AMS2418 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet], maybe you can give me some suggestion. Thanks in advance

Eury DEL ORBE
- Long Island City, New York, U.S.A


April 2018

A. Hi Eury. There are a number of open questions:
Condition B is 48 hour salt spray, but doesn't define what constitutes passing vs. failure; that you need to determine from ASTM B-545 or another spec. Are you sure your actual minimum thickness is 0.0004" as required by ASTM B-545 SC2? Danny notes, and the literature does too, that you are pretty susceptible to porosity and thus galvanic attack at this thickness; bumping it up even a little can reduce porosity. Are you applying a chromate or an organic sealer, or nothing on top of the tin?

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"


April 26, 2018

Q. Hi TED , thank you so much for you response, yes our parts are plated 0.000400" Tin over 0.000100" copper on brass metal. No we aren't using any sealer, our parts should pass salt spray test of 48 hours. As I said before we tried several times but test result is not successful, after test was find Abnormal Nick, Pitting, looks like tin plating layer it came out; Then how much hours of Salt Spray Test for tin to be recommended? or which type of sealer you recommend.
How to Improve it? any suggestion will be very appreciated. regards Eury

EURY DEL ORBE
- Long Island City, New York, U.S.A


April 2018

A. Hi again. Sorry, but after 2 postings I still don't know your situation, so it is difficult to respond. I assume you are from the plating shop not the buyer, i.e., you are doing this plating yourself to someone else's requirements? And you know that the thickness everywhere is no less that 0.0004"? The substrate is cold finished steel? And that you are experienced in tin plating but have just never salt spray tested it before? You are conducting the salt-spay testing in house? Do you do any other testing of your work, such as adhesion testing, perhaps bending the parts over a mandrel?

Do you do any soldering of the parts? Successful soldering in itself can be a good adhesion test and indicate that the surface is not oxidized or soiled, since poor pretreatment will certainly cause porosity and corrosion.

48 hours is probably not unreasonable for 0.0004" deposits; but you won't pass if there are pores in the plating due to poor cleaning, poor activation, or poor plating practices. Generally the plating process supplier who is selling you your tin plating chemistry and pretreatment chemicals can advise you what sealers they suggest -- is your process MSA or stannate or what? Thanks!

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"



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