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"Problems in cyanide copper plating"

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August 10, 2021

Good day to you. I have a question I hope someone can help me with. My company uses a bright copper cyanide plating solution at about 150 °F (Copper-lume). The problem is we use a 304 stainless steel steam coil inside the tank, which more than once has developed a hole and bled back into our boiler, which is really bad for the boiler. In the past, even now I should say, the reason we find out is our in-house lab people check the out going water daily. After checking all 4 cyanide tanks with air, we are able to see the air leak. Is there anything else besides 304 s.s. that will stand up to the aggressive solution? Thank you for any help. Oscar

oscar estrada
maintenance - el paso texas
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August 2021

A. Hi Oscar. Hopefully this is a 15 psi low pressure boiler just for the plating lines, not a big high pressure unit for a major factory. I don't like to see high pressure steam used in plating tanks -- too dangerous here in 2021.

Switching to Teflon coils would fix the problem, but they would be much bigger and quite expensive, and probably not necessary.

First off, you should be able to reduce the chance of contaminated condensate getting to the boiler by installing vacuum breakers if you don't yet have them. They should be standard practice, and what they do is: when the steam cools and contracts and pulls a vacuum, they let air into the coil instead of the vacuum pulling plating solution into the coil.

But secondly, you should be using dielectric unions or at the least "radiator hose" to electrically isolate the coils from the plating current if you're not already. I don't think a cyanide copper plating solution is likely to be chemically corroding your coils, I think it's more likely to be a stray electrical current.

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Aloha -- an idea worth spreading
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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September 10, 2021

Q. My cyanide copper solution temperature rises automatically and goes over 70 °C and anodes are showing a black and grey layer on it. Please suggest a better solution.
Thank you so much in advance.

B.D kumar
- New delhi (india)
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September 2021

A. Hi B.D., Your rectifier puts Watts of Heat (Volts X Amps) into the plating tank, tending to cause its temperature to rise; whereas evaporation and other heat losses tend to cause the temperature to drop.

If the power input from the rectifier exceeds the evaporation and other losses, the temperature will rise. However, 70 °C (158 °F) is quite hot, so evaporation and other heat losses are significant, and I am not personally familiar with a copper cyanide plating tank operating at that temperature requiring a cooling system ... so it strikes me that something may be strange or wrong. Do you have choffles (floating plastic balls) on the surface reducing the evaporation loss?

Please tell us something about the plating solution, and what you are plating, and barrel or rack, and the rectifier voltage and amperage readings. Also please tell us about your anodes, cast or balls (steel anode baskets?). Unfortunately it's very difficult to sort out what is going on until you give us details. Thanks.

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Aloha -- an idea worth spreading
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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Closely related postings, oldest first:

Copper is Building Up in Cyanide Copper Plating Baths

2001

Q. I work for a company that operates a three large 56,000 liter copper cyanide electroplating baths. The bath operates using soluble copper anodes contained in titanium baskets.

The problem we are finding is that the anode efficiency is greater than the cathode efficiency resulting in a build-up of copper in the bath. This build-up of copper we are finding has a detrimental effect on the quality of the plated components.

How do I maintain the copper balance in the bath?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

What is OFHC copper?

Regards

David Morris
- UK
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2001

A. You may try to use insoluble steel anode instead of copper anode.

OFHC means Oxygen Free High Conductivity.

Jason Wu
- Hong Kong SAR
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2001

A. We vary the anodes. We use three baskets on one side of the tank and one anode basket on the other side with two steel anode sheets. Our copper levels remain very consistent with this method.

Angie Molnar
- Canada
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2004

Q. In our factory we use the cyanide bright copper electrolyte which is based on potassium cyanide and is used for depositing bright copper layers on zinc die cast,the problem here are:
1- Lower deposition rate in the low current density areas(abdominal cavities)
2- Spotting parts on the surface of the article 3-Dark brown or black color on the anode surface. Please tell me how I can fix these problems.

Ashraf Abbas
chemist - Alex, Montaza, Egypt
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2004

A. ASHRAF, you have problem in your copper cyanide bath, low coverage, check the caustic potash concentration in copper cyanide bath looks like it's too low.
Second, spotting problem: check raw material.
Third, black color anodes: 1) you have polarized anodes in your copper cyanide bath, reason for black-- check caustic potash or soda concentration and rochelle salt concentration in copper cyanide bath. If black color anode in beginning to plate is normal only after plate is pink color. After plate still black color anode , I think you have really conductivity problem in your copper cyanide bath.

popat patel
Popatbhai B. Patel
electroplating consultant - Roseville, Michigan
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2004

A. Dear ASHRAF ABBAS,

I think you have a different problems in your copper cyanide tank so let us deal with the tank from the beginning

1- first you must check by the chemical analysis of the tank solution the copper content and the free cyanide content . and add the rochelle salt
2- you must check the pH of the solution it must be from 12.2 to 12.8 points (NaOH), maybe with zinc die casting from 9.5 to 11 points
3- you must remove the organic contamination from your tank by active carbon filtration
4- you must check your copper anodes and add if it need
5- you must filtration your tank to remove any colloid matter in your tank
6- you must check the degree of agitation 5- you must remove zinc resulting from die casting by electrolyzing at 2-3 amp/sq ft.

Finally after these points I think the bath will give you abetter quality, thanks.

Aly Gomaa
- Cairo, Egypt
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2004

A. Hello,

The previous two gentlemen had very good points. Just for kicks, I would also check your Carbonate concentration. High carbonates with low agitation has caused anode polarization in my facility.

Good Luck

Trent Kaufman
Trent Kaufman
   electroplater - Galva, Illinois
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Cyanide copper plating is dark/black in HCD area

May 17, 2011

Q. We recently upgraded to a larger copper strike bath. Since doing so we have had a difficult time getting the bath to plate as well as it did before. Instead of making up new solution we used 55 gal of another companies plating bath. They insisted it was working well. We had an analysis done of the bath after putting it together and found the copper cyanide was high and the free cyanide low. Therefore we added enough sodium cyanide to get the free cyanide into range. We did this in slow increments as to avoid having a high free cyanide as well. When we turn the current to about half of what we did before the black/dark spots on the high current areas is reduced but also the plating time is much longer to get a good color and thickness on the substrates being plated. Is there any chance there was a contaminant in the solution we used that could be causing this?
Current tank size is 450 gallons. 55 gallons of used solution was added to make up the difference of tank sizes.
We will be installing mild steel anodes to help reduce the copper cyanide level.
Thanks.

James Canfield
employee - New Castle, Indiana, USA
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May 20, 2011

A. I would check the carbonate level. High level decreases efficiency which could show up as low plating in the lows. A good carbon treatment never hurts but copper strikes are very tolerant of organic contamination.

Trent Kaufman
Trent Kaufman
   electroplater - Galva, Illinois
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May 23, 2011

thumbs up sign Update.

We have had better success since adding Sodium Hydroxide. I understand that many platers use this in their cyanide copper strike but we have always ran it at very low quantities usually for pH control. Analysis always read 0.0 oz/gal. Now we have bumped it to 0.6 oz/gal. The plating is still not the salmon color we were used to but the thickness and smoothness of the deposit is much better. The darkness and black on the high current areas are no longer present.

Q. Any idea on why the need for sodium hydroxide in order to get better results when we didn't use it in the past?
pH was reading 11 before we even added the sodium hydroxide.

James Canfield [returning]
- New Castle, Indiana, USA
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November 24, 2011

Q. We run a cyanide copper flash process and are getting a blackish deposit which seems thinner than usual at the high current density on parts and test panels. The copper content is mid range at 49 g/l and the cyanide level is just above mid range at 32 g/l. We have changed all the anode bags and peroxide treated potential iron contamination.

I'm running out of ideas fast and would appreciate any thoughts on this!!

Thanks

Emily Gardiner
- Poole, Dorset
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November 25, 2011

A. Hi Emily,

Problem could due to too high carbonate content (> 120 g/l) which reduce cathode efficiency, or organic/sulfur contamination. Perform carbon treatment or bath dilution may help.

Regards,
David

David Shiu
David Shiu
- Singapore
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November 29, 2011

thumbs up signThanks,

We have been filtering through a carbon filter for 4 days. There is a marked improvement. I will also test the carbonate level to make sure this is not an issue.

Emily Gardiner [returning]
- Poole, Dorset, UK
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November 29, 2011

thumbs up signThe problem has been solved on Brass components with carbon filtration but not on Steel. I have since tested the carbonate level and found it to be 102 g/l. So in the lab have performed a half dilution and a hull cell. It looks much better on both materials.

Emily Gardiner [returning]
- Poole, Dorset, UK
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January 8, 2013

Q. We use Copper cyanide bath for copper flashing on steel parts. Recently, in my absence from plant we are experiencing a problem. What used to take 2 minutes now takes 10 minutes to plate. Concentration of free cyanide is 2.4 oz/g, pH is about 12 and carbonate 36 g/l. Please help me resolve this problem.

Veena Mandlay
- Carpinteria, California, USA
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January 11, 2013

A. Hi Veena.
The free cyanide/pH/carbonate contents sounds about right. Two questions come to mind.
1. What is your copper cyanide content?
2. Is this a 'sodium' or 'potassium' base cyanide copper bath?

SK Cheah
- Penang, Malaysia
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January 18, 2013

Q. Mr. Cheah,
I have the same doubts you have about Copper Cyanide content but I don't know how to determine that. I was thinking of adding a little portion of Copper Cyanide in the bath to see if there is any improvement. I have carbon filter in the bath which is helping little bit. Also my bath is Sodium Cyanide base. I appreciate your help.

Veena Mandlay [returning]
- Carpinteria, California, USA
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January 23, 2013

A. Hi Veena.
1.Copper Cyanide content can be determined by titration.
Take 2 ml of sample solution. Add 15 ml of conc. Nitric Acid. Heat to blue color (this to be done in an exhaust hood). Add 100 ml of DI water. Add conc. ammonia to blue color. Heat to 140 °F. Add PAN indicator. Titrate against 0.1M EDTA. Color change from purple to green.

CuCn ( oz/gal ) = ml x 5.971 x M

2.Take care when adding Copper Cyanide . An addition of 1 kg CuCN needs an addition of 1.1 kg Sodium Cyanide with no increase in free cyanide.
Good Luck.

SK Cheah
- Penang, Malaysia
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February 1, 2013

thumbs up signThank you Mr. Cheah. My tank is getting better.

I have another problem in my Nickel Sulfamate tank. I'm getting some black/burned spots after electrolytic plating. And specially where the parts get in contact were current is passing. Most component in my tanks are at an optimum level except Nickel which is between 11.5-12.5 oz/gal. I performed carbon treatment, added stress reducer and plated dummies before plating good parts. My plating is on 1030 steel and I copper flash before nickel plate. Please advise. Your answers are always so useful.
Thanks,
Veena

Veena Mandlay [returning]
- Carpinteria, California, USA
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March 3, 2013

Q. I have a related Question I wish you can help me, I made a small in my lab as a test I wanted to simulate the plating unit in my factory the bath consisting of cyanide copper bath, a flash one of (120 g/L CuCN) and (138 g/L NaCN) and it went very well, but when I add 40 g/L NaOH to simulate the thick deposit bath the anode became black and passive ! it only works fine if I lowered the current but if I did the deposited layer become similar to flash bath so what is the advantage ! is there something missing !? it just work properly in the factory plating unit so I hope you tell my what have I done wrong

Ahmed Samir
- Cairo, Egypt
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March 7, 2013

A. Good day Ahmed.
I think that you have a formulation problem.You might want to look at these formulations as a guide.

General Purpose strike:
CuCN - 30 g/l
NaCN - 48 g/l (Total Cyanide)
FNaCN - 11.25-15 g/l(Free Cyanide)
NaOH - 3.75-7.5 g/l
Na2CO3 - 15 g/l
Rochelle - 30 g/l (Tartaric Acid-Aids in anode corrosion and adjusts Cu Metal Conc. and acts as a grain refiner)
Ph - 12.5-13.5 Use Dilute Acetic/NaOH to Adjust

Strike-Plate Bath:
CuCN - 42 g/l
NaCN - 52 g/l
FNaCN - 5.7 g/l
Na2CO3 - 30 g/l
Rochelle - 60 g/l
Ph - 10.2-10.5

Hope this helps.
Regards,

Eric Bogner
- Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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