Making GOLD from Copper, Silver & Plant Extracts

Yes Joy, I see lots of links to scammers on that blog :-)

When I was an early teen I was absolutely intrigued by the "perpetual motion machines" at a Ripley's "Believe It or Not" display. After eventually learning why each particular design was discredited I looked at an additional design. But by the time I had seen a dozen or more designs discredited, I had found a hundred more proposals, and I realized that I could never ever get through the infinite line of potential design tweaks "one at a time".

In engineering school I was finally taught the principles of thermodynamics and how & why 100+% efficiency was impossible irrespective of the specifics, so I needn't waste any more time on yet another perpetual motion idea. And I also learned enough chemistry & physics to see why alchemy was likewise impossible so that I didn't need to waste time discrediting every report of alchemy one herb at a time. I hope you don't choose to waste yours ... there's a lot of herbs :-)

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Hi Rajiv. I don't think anybody lives long enough to have time to waste on such stuff :-)

Regards,

A. I am a chemical constant since 1988. Many chemical factories I have run and just a mineral processing and two chemicals factories are under my supervision.
Conversion of one element to an other element is possible with simple chemical and physical way at up to 1000C temperature.
Some light weight elements's electrons loss their attraction for nucleus and their nucleus begin to do bombardment on their surrounding atoms. This make cause of conversion.
If these light atomic weight elements or their compounds are mixed tracely with heavy metals(mercury, lead, bismuth) or their compounds and then temperature is arised up to 1000 °C for ten minutes, many elements will make in which Gold will in excess because Gold is very to heavy metals.

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Ed. note: We don't put people in contact with each other here, but we don't censor anyone's technical posting -- even when we consider it ridiculous, which we do.

A. Hi Enoch. All jobs involve obligations. My job, as you say, is forum moderator; and I feel that my obligations include posting all the claims that are submitted not censoring them ... but it is hardly reasonable for you to ask me to leave the readers with the impression that this site endorses such claims.

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 Hi Menon. Indeed all alchemy is foolishness :-)

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A. You can make gold, earlier in Chankya era, he used to make gold, mohammed ghori invaded several times but still chandra gupta empire was very rich, because chanakya made wealth artificially, another thing in India in earlier days gold was not mining, but still in india coins, jeweleries, etc were made of gold that too before christ. and I have done one experiment for the same and it was 99% successful. Take 65% gold, 20% copper, 15% silver, heat and cool continuously for 90 days, the entire thing will become gold.

A. Even though, going by logic, you're right, there aren't any person who does it live.
So consciousness says, it's not possible.

If someone does, he wouldn't be alive , too difficult since Gold used to be backed by central bank around the world except, for a few decades for now, usd taken place of gold.

Theory of only supernova explosion can make gold also seems flawed.
This Alchemy subject is really interesting though.

Call by Ted is also correct. People may fall into this, since people who're selling these, didn't make any gold by themselves .

I think some comments are being a little unkind to the Alchemists.

Until the age of enlightenment in the 16/17C, alchemy was the blanket study covering all fields of science. The modern uninformed criticisms are readily dismissed. The search for the elixir of life is barely different from the efforts of modern health researchers, albeit with rather less ambitious targets, and transmutation of base metals into gold can be understood as a justification of an application for research funding and not unreasonable lacking the principles of an atomic theory. If they could change black rock into iron or green rock into copper, why not lead into gold? Furthermore religious doctrine of the time demanded belief in transubstantiation, a much more radical concept. The magical element of their beliefs should, perhaps, be viewed in the light of homeopathy or contemporary, and even current religious beliefs.
In reality, some charlatans excepted, the alchemists were skilled metallurgists, chemists, perfumers and pharmacists of their day. Although their understanding of the underlying principles were limited, their empirical investigations formed the basis of modern science. Long before the 13C; alchemists had de!eloped the skills of crystallisation, distillation and metal extraction to a high degree.
Much of their belief was based on the teachings of Aristotle and the later teachings of the Muslim Abu Muhammad al Jabir ibn Aflah(1100-1150), Anglicised to Gerber.
To dismiss alchemy is to discredit well-recognised scientists up to and including Newton, whose alchemical manuscripts amount to over 650,000 words and was described by Keynes as the last magician.
We owe them much.

? We have postings on this thread from more than a dozen people who feel they are ever so close, including some who claim to be desperately poor but are spending their time and money on this anyway. So, with the benefit of an additional 350 years of refinement, exactly how do we make gold from copper, silver, and plant extracts? I say we can't, and we should be very clear about it :-)

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A. I see that I failed to make myself completely clear.

There is no possibility of making gold by any chemical means.

My point was that until Dalton introduced his atomic theory, there was no way of knowing this.

It is sad to see that some people still do not understand that it is impossible.

But we should not blame alchemists for what they did not know.

The evil that men do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones.

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