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Adhesion testing per ASTM D3359 with Permacel P-99 discontinued

Q. Still any option is there for alternative tape for 3M 250 tape meeting the adhesion test standard ASTM D-3359

S Gobi krish
- Bangalore, India
May 16, 2024

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A. Hi Gobi Krish,
3-M #250 was discontinued for a while but is again available and they say it will remain so.

However, careful reading is required to avoid confusion on this subject because there is more than one tape adhesion test :-)
I believe that when you speak of ASTM D3559, it specified Permacel P-99, which has been discontinued.

Referring to compliance with ASTM D-3559, we see claims that SEMicro CHT complies; that Elcometer 99 complies; and that M.E. Taylor Cross Hatch Tape complies.

We suggest that you carefully read the latest revision of ASTM D-3359 and the referenced product specifications to decide. KTA has a broad & interesting presentation on the whole subject of ASTM D-3359 testing at Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha - Pine Beach, New Jersey

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Q. I've heard through the grapevine that 3M is discontinuing their "250" tape that is specified in aerospace / military specifications for adhesion testing. Can anyone confirm this or know what the "replacement" will be?

Douglas A. Hahn
- Mason, Ohio


A. The information you have received is correct. 3M is discontinuing its #250 tape. After contacting 3M, they are recommending their 2517, 2525, and 2526 tapes as replacements. It is unknown at this time if they will meet the requirements of various specifications. I have requested the technical data sheets and will inform upon review . . .

Hello again Doug. After reviewing the FED-STD-141 Method 6301.3, the suggested tapes do not conform to the 60 oz./inch width requirement. The adhesion strengths are between 69 and 74 oz. per inch width. After contacting 3M again, they have no tapes which will conform to the Fed Standard. In reference to the ASTM D3359 adhesion standard, the adhesion strength is determined by the supplier and user.

Best Regards,

Ira Donovan, M.S.F.
Kansas City, Missouri

A. FED-STD-141 Method 6301.3, states an average adhesion of 60 oz/in. width. Actually 3M lists the #250 tape as 65 oz/in.

Michael Minner
coating shop - Milford, Connecticut

!! Dear Readers,

I am happy to report that Intertape Polymer Group product PS3 is a VERY close match to the #250 tape discontinued by 3M in color, tensile, and adhesion to steel properties.


Christopher Graw
- Marysville, Michigan

Where can I find and order the "Intertape polymer group product PS3" that you mention. We are doing paint testing and I need to order the tape ASAP.

Thank you.

Ringo Monfort
- Inglewood, California

3-M Tape #250

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A. The 3M #250 tape is still available (in the 1" wide size). However, it will be a special order item and the cost is not pretty. If you have your own tape distributor, they should be able to contact 3M for the product. If you do not, "Tapes, Etc." and Ameripak Company were very helpful in attaining the tape.

David Mays
- Elgin, Illinois

thumbs down signIf you're doing any work for Boeing or Boeing related you must use a shelf life for the 3M 250 tape of only 6 months per BSS7225. This means the distributors have to keep very new tape in stock and the cost will only go up.

Alan Vaughn
- Phoenix, Arizona

Permacel 99 tape for paint adhesion testing

Q. We want to check our pipes and exhaust paintings by the standard of ASTM D3359 but we don't know which kind of tape must we use for test. Can you give us a sample of tape name.

Hakan Yigit
muffler manufacturer - Istanbul, TURKEY

A. You might purchase a suitable tape from Elcometer Ltd. This company has local distributors all over the world and they supply ASTM tapes.


Radana Brabnikova, Gamin s.r.o.
- Ostrava, Czech Republic

A. This ASTM calls for Permacel #99, I think you can only get it from Gardco, check the website.

Sheldon Taylor
Sheldon Taylor
supply chain electronics
Wake Forest, North Carolina

RFQ: Need to know where to purchase the Permacel 99 tape, per ASTM D3359 spec:

Paula T [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
aerospace repair shop - Manchester, Connecticut

Ed. note: Sorry, this RFQ is old & outdated, so contact info is no longer available. However, if you feel that something technical should be said in reply, please post it; no public commercial suggestions please ( huh? why?)

RFQ: Bonjour,
I want to buy the adhesive tape for testing the adhesion of metallic thin films deposit on SiO2 wafer (by the method ASTM D3359).
Therefore, I want to know the reference, the company, the magazine ...where I can buy the tape Permacel 99 or Kapton?
Merci in advance.
- Vitry sur Seine, France

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RFQ: Need to know where to purchase the Permacel 99 tape per ASTM D3359 spec.
Y.S Yoo
KHE - Republic of Korea

Ed. note: Sorry, this RFQ is old & outdated, so contact info is no longer available. However, if you feel that something technical should be said in reply, please post it; no public commercial suggestions please ( huh? why?)

Q. Can we use Permacel 99 tape , as referred in ASTM D3359?

Pascal Roussy
- Montreal, Quebec, Canada
March 3, 2009

Adhesion tape and roll for Fed-STD-141 method 6301.3

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Q. Testing coating as per MIL-DTL-0053022; request to process to adhesion test on paint per FED-STD-141 method 63.01.3 --

- Tape 3M-250 1" large is not available anymore,
- Permacel 99 can't do the job,
- What tape (1" large, 60 oz/in on steel, ASTM D5486 type IV conformed as per MIL-DTL-0053022 request, elongation 12% or lest, tensile 38 lb/in or more) can do the job? and
- Where I can get that tape (just 2-3 rolls) with a good shelf life?
- Where I can buy a hand roll tool to proceed with that spec (4-1/2 lb, 3-1/2 dia x 1-3/4 large durometer 70-80)?

Thank you for your time.

Sebastien Rivest
supervisor - Quebec, Canada
April 24, 2009

A. There used to be a QPL that listed the 3M tape. Check with the prime office for the spec for their qualified products. I do not think that they can expect the lay person to do testing on tape.
When you find it, put it in a baggie and keep it in a cool, dry, dark place. I am not in favor of refrigeration for this.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida
April 27, 2009

A. I don't know if any of the wise folks who support offers tape and applicators, but one firm that does is the Paul N Gardner Company. I'd contact them.

lee gearhart
Lee Gearhart
metallurgist - E. Aurora, New York
April 29, 2009

3-M Tape #250

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A. Are you really sure that 250 tape is no longer available? Or is it that your local stockist has run out and told you it was discontinued to try and get you to buy something else? This has happened to me a few times.

Contact 3M and find out if it really has been discontinued first. They will also have a list of local stockists that regularly hold that product.

If they have discontinued it, boy, that's going to cause a world of hurt -- this standard tape has been called up in any number of specifications worldwide.

Brian Terry
Aerospace - Yeovil, Somerset, UK
May 1, 2009

A. We use 3M #250, it's still being made (3M is a local company here). Barry and Sewall Industrial Supply stocks it, sells it with certs, one roll at a time.

3M warrants specs for 12 months. Date code on roll is YDDDXXX, where Y is the last digit of the year of manufacture, DDD is the day of the year and XXX is the day's lot number.

We replace the tape before the 12 months from manufacture. It's a minor and manageable cost of doing business.

David dayton
- Minneapolis Minnesota
June 10, 2009

A. I work for 3M Company, Industrial Tapes and Adhesives Division, technical response. We discontinued this product temporarily about 8 years ago, then brought it back the same year after this cancellation. It has not nor will be discontinued again, and for some reason I keep getting calls about this lately, random calls, few and far between. Have no fear, the tape is current, still available, and won't go away any time soon. Case quantity in 1" size only. FYI.

Maria, 3M Technical Support, Industrial Tapes
3M Company - St Paul, Minnesota
November 23, 2009

thumbs down signThat is very helpful Ms. 3M, but if there is only a 6 month shelf life who needs a case?

Paul Arato
- Toronto, Ontario Canada
February 24, 2014

That's only 2-1/2 miles of tape per year, Paul. Up your game :-)
... but some distributors will sell you one six-pack of rolls rather than a case of 36 rolls. A reader claimed that Barry and Sewall Industrial Supply sells it one roll at a time, but I don't know if that info is outdated.

thumbs up sign Management philosophies come and go. Just a few years ago, it was all about "responsible product stewardship"; now it seems we're back to "short term profit is what matters" -- the heck with the planet. But tape is only a minor problem -- it's masking materials, treatment chemicals, and so much else that finishing shops must buy and throw away. One megacorp serving the finishing industry won't let their distributors split pallet loads of 55-gallon drums among more than one customer. Lack of pressure against minimum quantities & waste is disheartening :-(

I await one of the bulldog environmental organizations going after a megacorp on this. The companies are aware of the harm they're doing, and if they become the evening news and heads roll, well, they earned it :-)

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha - Pine Beach, New Jersey

Q. I work in the QC department of a plating company. We have a new customer that is requiring a tape test be performed on their parts. The tape that they call out for is 3M 62002 or 6200C. I have searched and am unable to find this tape, even at the 3M website. Does anybody know of an equivalent or how I can get my hands on this particular tape?

Mandy Schroeder
plating shop employee - Naugatuck, Connecticut, USA
May 19, 2009

Q. Is 3M #610 a suitable alternative to 3M #250? We have been using it with no issue.

Long Nguyen
- Canoga Park, California
June 17, 2009

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Q. Good day.

I want to know what kind of tape I need to use to comply with ASTM D3359?

Edgar Marquez
Quality Engineer - Apodaca, Nuevo Leon, Mexico
October 2, 2009

Ed. note: For still further discussion of adhesion testing of plating & painting with tape, please see thread 12599.

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