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"Arcing & Hydrogen "Explosions" in Plating, Anodizing, & Electropolishing"

Current question and answers:

May 3, 2021

Q. Rebuilding a chem film and anodizing line (post-fire) in California. Sent my proposed chemical inventory to a HAZMAT engineering group and they classified our building as H3/4 Occupancy as a result of the chemicals/inventory levels, very few of which are actually flammable. We have been working with another engineering group to produce the electrical drawings for the building/equipment and are being told that we must meet "explosion proof" requirements throughout the building - meaning sealed conduits and explosion proof enclosures/control panels/etc. because the anodize tank generates hydrogen. The local air quality board is already requiring us to have exhaust ventilation over the anodizing tanks at a rate of 4180 SCFM per tank. I have not seen any other plating facilities with those requirements (in electrical parlance, Class 1, Division I of the NEC code). About half the facilities I have been to here in the SOCAL area actually have very little tank-specific ventilation - only building ventilation. Does anyone have any experience with this issue. Just how bad is the hydrogen generation during anodize, and in the presence of 4180 SCFM direct-over-tank exhaust ventilation, would it be any kind of an explosive hazard?

Mike Palatas
- Gardena California
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May 2021

A. Hi Mike. I designed hundreds of plating and anodizing installations in my career and probably visited thousands, and I never saw a single one use explosion proof wiring & fixtures; shops which use solvents --like paints shops -- need explosion-proof electrics. Of course, once you've had a fire you're on shaky ground saying a fire can't happen, but the lower explosion limit for hydrogen is 4% so, while 'pops' can happen right at the tank surface, it's hard to imagine a room with 4% hydrogen in it.

Lots of anodizing tanks have local ventilation, but whether 4180 SCFM is appropriate is hard to say without knowing the surface area of the tanks. See Jon Barrows comment that it should be sufficient to remove hydrogen but not enough to draw the caustic up and gunk everything up.

For several years I was "the plating shop guy" for a service firm that did fire investigations for the insurance industry. I personally did the cost estimates rather than the investigation of the cause, but nearly every single fire was caused by electric heaters in polypropylene tanks -- so it would be great if you could concentrate most of your efforts on real dangers rather than will o' the wisps

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
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Previous closely related Q&A's starting in:

2002

Q. During operation of an electropolish bath (S.S. 60P/20S/20W) an operator inadvertently bridged the polarities and created an arc. This has happened before, however the arc was never as explosive as it was today. It created a big boom that the whole plant heard. I checked the ripple on the rectifier, and that was a normal 5%. We changed the diodes too. Is there anything I am missing here? The rectifier is 40v, 750 amp DC output.

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks,

David Bernardini
- Elmira, New York
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2002

A. What may be missing is corrective action :-)

You should install perforated PVC, fiberglass or polypropylene sheets that will prevent a recurrence of the operator bridging the polarities. Fiberglass grating hung vertically should work but it is quite expensive; perhaps the thinnest open-est grating you can find; there is often a very light duty corrosion resistant grating in fume scrubbers to hold the "wiffle balls" in pace -- maybe large sheets are available.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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2002

thumbs up sign You dunce! (said good naturedly with smile on face).

On previous occasions your operator bridged the rectifier with a low impedance path. (Very bad practice and sometimes very costly) This causes flashes and crackles and may damage the rectifier. On the latest occasion when you heard the loud report (like a cannon going off) you ignited the gasses being given off by the process but most probably did not bridge the rectifier and did no damage to the rectifier.

Let me guess, the acid was 120 to 130 degrees. The load on the tank was quite large, probably over 1000 amps and your iron content is above 3.4%. You probably developed a pretty good size foam blanket over the top of your bath and your cathodes were only a few inches from the parts you were running. In addition, you had poor connections between the bars on the top of your tank and the cathodes/parts or your polishing technician was loading/unloading parts with the rectifier turned on.

You can do this again in a controlled manner. Put on ear defenders and make sure you are wearing safety glasses (just in case). Warn everyone in the vicinity that there is going to be a LOUD noise. Light a piece of paper and apply the touch paper to the foam blanket. It will detonate with a loud report.

The cure is as simple as the explanation. Your acid is approaching the end of its useful life. Change the acid!

The reason is quite simple. Oxygen is given off at the cathodes and hydrogen at the anodes. These gasses collect in the foam blanket. Oxygen and hydrogen will combine explosively, if there is a spark, producing water. The noise can be quite spectacular.

The explosion is usually quite benign and the only side effects are ringing ears and an increase in the laundry bill.

In the old days before we properly understood how to control the foam my technicians have been known to make paper aeroplanes, light them and launch them into the foam blanket. Of course they end the flight with a spectacular explosion and laughs and guffaws all round. Whilst I frown on the practice I could not help a small inward smile when I caught them at it. Come to think of it they have not done that in a few years now and we have that new kid on tank 2. Mmmm... Naw. I am far too mature for that kind of behaviour. Teehee.

John Holroyd
- Elkhorn, Wisconsin
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2002

A. David,

I think what happened is that the gas from the anode and cathode were ignited. The oxygen and hydrogen can build on the surface of the tank, especially if the tank has a little grease or oil layer then the "magic bubbles" go off with a most startling effect when an arched ignites them. Tributylphosphate is a good defoamer. Handle with care it has safety issues, like most chemicals.

Jon Quirt
- Fridley, Minnesota
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2002

Q. Thank you for the responses. I understand that oxygen, and hydrogen are given off from the operation, however we run three electropolish tanks, all the same chemistry, and ventilated from the same fan. In addition this tank was only in operation for a week. I thought of this situation, but this has not happened in the last eight years (as far back as we can go) so why all the sudden? This is why I looked at the power source. (there was nothing wrong with it) The operators typically move the racks back and forth on the bar, creating little sparks, and have never had an "explosion". Not disagreeing with the response, just want to make sure I am not missing anything. - Dunce

David Bernardini [returning]
- Elmira, New York
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2002

A. Hey,

Just joking around with the dunce thing. We all did the exploding tank trick at least once. I guess that makes you a graduate too.

The only question left for you to answer is "Was the tank blanketed with foam or otherwise covered when it detonated?"

If the answer is yes to the foam and you had fresh acid then, as Jon Quirt suggested, you probably had oil on the surface of your tank. If your tank is not foaming the gasses dissipate quite quickly. It is only when you get the foam blanket or cover the tank in some way that you could see the problem.

As you have not had this problem in the eight or so years you have been around this process then you probably change your acid in a timely manner or you do not run with big loads on the tanks. We often run for months or even for years without having a "noisy incident". Recently we ran hundreds of large trays without incident but a new operator had a poof on the first part he ran. He was using a slightly different sequence on his procedure and this caused a tiny spark. The result was a very rapid education in flammable gasses and electricity.

I am 99% sure that your operator ignited the gasses. The act of shorting a power supply that can pass 750 amps steady and probably ten times that in a pulse would cause some damage that you would be able to find. A melted rack or a welded spot on a bus bar, that sort of thing. Even then shorting across the bus bars does not tend to cause the detonation that lighting the gasses off does.

John Holroyd
- Elkhorn, Wisconsin
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2002

A. I realize you were kidding on the dunce thing. I don't recall the tank having a layer of foam on it, but it could have been overlooked. I did run it myself, with only one rack (I cranked the amps, but we are only talking 200 amps) and got the "boom". I really don't think it foamed much. It is certainly possible that we could have had oil in tank that prevented the hydrogen from escaping, and I will take that stance. I will have the operators keep aware of the foam/oil and its potential.

Thanks for all the help.

Dave the graduate

David Bernardini
- Elmira, New York
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To minimize search efforts and to offer multiple viewpoints, we combined previously separate threads onto this page. Please forgive any resultant repetition, failures of chronological order, or what may look like readers disrespecting previous responses -- those other responses may not have been on the page at the time :-)



"Arcing in barrel plating"

2004

Q. How does arcing occur in barrel plating (Zinc & Clear Chromate)? How can it be prevented? I have parts that tangle quite a bit and have suggested smaller lot sizes so the parts do not ball up. My plating supplier does not think this will fix the problem. Help!

Joe Cammarata
spring maker - St. Charles, Illinois, USA
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2004

? I don't understand quite what you mean by 'arcing' and how it relates to the parts balling up, I'm afraid, Joe. But I doubt that the plating shop is very receptive to the idea that they should reduce their load sizes and consequently their income. Please expound a bit more for me. Thanks.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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2004

A. We have this problem on our Barrel Plating line (zinc tank). What we found out was we had a bad tumbler in one of our barrels. So we got that fixed and one of our vendors suggested using this smaller scale version of a barrel. So in actuality you have a barrel inside of a barrel, we use this for our smaller parts of course, because you can't fit anything with any size to it inside of these "mini" barrels, and they plate just as well as a part not inside of the "mini" barrel. You also have to watch when that barrel is arcing that is does not cause a hydrogen explosion.

Brian Gaylets
McKinney Products - Scranton, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
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March 1, 2021

Q. Hi!
I have a problem with electrolytic cleaning. Our process in non-cyanide alkaline zinc plating. During electrolytic cleaning (as I know we have anodic cleaning) too much hydrogen is produced. Due to this we have cyclic mini-explosions which are more and more often. The anode rail is connected to the "-" of the rectifier. Traverse with details is suspended rail which is plugged into a "+" rectifier.

What we can improve to prevent them?
Thank you for your help in advance!

Justyna Siemieniec/ Process Engineer
- Poland, Lower Silesia
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March 2021

A. Hi Justyna. In the dark ages when I entered this industry, hydrogen pops were a constant occurrence everywhere and no one worried about them at all. Today, at least in the USA, we are far more risk adverse and people worry about starting a fire, splashing operators with caustic, etc., but at the same time hydrogen explosions have become more of a rarity.

I had wondered why the explosions seem so much rarer these decades, but I think the explanation is actually simple. Hydrogen, like all flammable gasses, has a "lower explosive limit" (it's about 4%). It can't/won't explode at a lower concentration than that... and most plating shops today have much more and better ventilation than in the old days. You should have good exhaust ventilation hoods on that electrolytic cleaner, and I think it will end the hydrogen explosions.

Luck & Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Aloha -- an idea worth spreading
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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March 2, 2021

A. Ted is right. Electrocleaners used to not be ventilated and people just accepted the small pops that occasionally occurred. New lines nowadays will typically include a hood with a mist eliminator. There is a sweet spot, where you can keep the ventilation flow pretty low and avoid the need for a mist eliminator- just great enough to remove the hydrogen gas, but not so great that it pulls alkaline mist along with it which gunks up the hood. I would think that would probably be around 50 cfm/ft2 and a slot velocity of around 1000 fpm of tank surface area, but that is just an educated guess.

Jon Barrows
Jon Barrows, MSF, EHSSC
Independence, Missouri
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