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Science project: Turning pennies gold color (actually brass)


A discussion started in 2001 but continuing through 2018

2001 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. I am a high school chemistry teacher. Many years ago I worked at a plating house and have a vague recollection of the art of electroplating. We have a nifty little lab in the school where the students do zinc immersion plating on a penny (heated zinc chloride/Zn solution). After the penny is removed from the bath, the students "wave" the penny over a flame and witness the mixing of the atoms as evidenced by the appearance of the characteristic brass color. Only problem is that some students get fabulous results while others are disappointed. We have tried old pennies and new pennies and consistency is elusive. What I remember most about plating is that surface prep is everything.

Can anyone suggest a pretreatment routine that will improve my product to scrap ratio for these students. I recall that cleaners, etchants and rinses are routine chemicals. I do not need to pass any QA specs so exotic additives etc. are not necessary.

Thank you ever so much. The kids love the lab but, as you can imagine, some feel it is more magic than electrons because of the unpredictable results.

Mindy Lekberg
- Chelmsford, Massachusetts


"Naked Eggs and Flying Potatoes: Unforgettable Experiments that Make Science Fun"
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A. Hi Ms. Lekberg. What is done in industry as a test method for cleaning is to scrub the parts with wet powdered pumice and a brush; then rinse. Adding a few drops of detergent to the pumice to aid the rinsing won't hurt. Most importantly though, the kids have to wear latex gloves so they don't contaminate the surface with finger oils. Good luck.

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2001

Q. My son is in the 8th grade and wants to do electroplating for his science project. A few years back he saw a project where pennies where electroplated to look gold. After each demonstration the kid handed out the shiny gold pennies. My son kept his for years. How is this done? Can you help me find a book or other resources that will help with a project like this? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Cheri Kozlowski
- Longwood, Florida


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2002

A. Place about 5 g of Zn dust in an evaporating dish. Fill the dish one-third full of NaOH. Heat to near boiling. Clean a penny with 0000 steel wool [linked by editor to product info at Rockler] and place in the dish. Heat 3-4 minutes until reaction is complete. Wash the penny under running water and gently blot dry. The penny looks silver - it is zinc coated. Hold the penny in a burner flame (use tongs) long enough for the color to change. The penny looks Gold - it is brass coated. Brass is 60 to 82 % Cu and 18 to 40 % Zn.

Kulisia [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- London, Ont, Canada



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2004

Q. Hi, my name is Jonathan. In 7th grade, I did the experiment where you turn pennies into gold or gold plated. I have always wanted to do this experiment, but I never new the materials that were needed to do it. If you could, tell me the materials that is needed and maybe a site that I might be able to get them at.

Thank-You

Jonathan A. [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
student - Omaha, Nebraska, USA


2007

A. Umm also for the Zinc you could use 3 - 4 nails, and for the NaOH use Drano [linked by editor to product info at Amazon] (powdered).

Alex Jalaff
- Fenton, Missouri


2007

!  Thanks, Kulisia, thanks Alex. People need to know, though, that NaOH or Drano is quite dangerous cold and even more so when near boiling hot. Maybe with goggles [linked by editor to product info at Amazon] and gloves this experiment might be appropriate for high schoolers under careful supervision, but certainly not grade schoolers.

For a simple and safe plating experiment, see our FAQ for zinc electroplating. I'm not sure if this will diffuse with the copper of the penny when heated and produce the gold-colored brass alloy -- but finding out what will happen is what experiments are for :-)

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2002 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. I need help to find a project for science fair, and understanding project. High school science fair topic only. Thanks!

Shirley Y [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- St. Paul, Minnesota


2002

A. Boil 20 ml caustic soda solution (drain cleaner works). Add 1 g zinc filings. Place a clean penny in the mixture. Remove the penny after about 10 mins. It will be silver (I believe plated with zinc). Heat the penny gently with a propane torch. It will turn gold. The zinc and underlying copper combine to form bronze. Needs careful supervision. We prepared a health and safety plan before we started and made it an integral part of the project.

Michael Longland
- Toronto, Ontario, Canada



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March 21, 2008

Q. I found a gold looking penny...not sure if it is real gold. Can you tell me if there is any significant value to this coin?

Cale Werner
- Bath, Pennsylvania, USA


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2004

Q. I found a penny that is gold-ish in color and dated 2002, I scratched one side to see if it was paint, but found nothing underneath. What do I likely have? =>

Mike Harper
- Louisville, Kentucky, USA


March 26 2008

A. Hi Cale; hi Mike. You've just read about one cheap way that students make gold looking pennies; and countless thousands of pennies have also been gold electroplated with a worthless thickness of gold as giveaways. While a discarded lottery ticket could be the grand jackpot winner, and a gold penny could be solid gold, the chances of either are essentially zero. Gold is more than twice as heavy as copper, and almost three times as heavy as zinc, so if the penny isn't obviously outrageously heavy, sorry, it's not gold.

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January 29, 2013

Q. I have a 1984 penny that looks like gold but I'm sure it's probably not but I'm no expert on coins. It's very shiny and looks new and is very light. Any idea ?

Christina [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- Glendale, Arizona, US


A. Hi Christina. I've seen thousands of pennies gold plated as giveaways; their value is 1¢ :-(

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Science project: Gold Quarter Coin

October 18, 2016

Q. Good afternoon folks.

The gold penny experiment for science school is quite popular here, but I want to do it with a quarter coin instead, how do I go about doing it and keeping it as simple as possible?

The experiment coats a penny with zinc and then heated and the heat turns it to a gold like color, its not real gold, more like brass. Thank you,

Jon J. [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- Minneapolis, Minnesota


October 2016

A. Hi Jon. In the "gold penny" experiment, as you know, you heat the penny and the copper of the penny diffuses into the zinc that you have plated on it and produces brass (an alloy of copper and zinc), which is gold-ish colored. Where will the copper come from in your experiment? ...

The cladding on the quarter is cupro-nickel, an alloy of 75% copper and 25% nickel, but I don't know if free copper will be available from the alloy to be able to create the brass. I'd suggest doing it both ways: plating copper and then zinc on the quarter, and just plating the zinc. And then see what happens when you heat them. Simple copper and zinc electroplating methods are described in our FAQ, "How electroplating works". These experiments are for grade school kids, and with your science teacher's supervision you may be able to use stronger chemistry for heavier copper and zinc plating.

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November 2, 2016

A. For very simplistic way of copper plating a U.S.A quarter coin you may want to try this method.
Safety equipment (latex gloves, safety eye glasses) small Gerber jar (4 oz jar), very fine steel wool, copper sulfate (10 grams) and white vinegar.
Add 10 grams of copper sulfate to the Gerber jar and add about 90 ml of white vinegar and mix the solution, it will turn a green color due to the acetic acid and let it sit for 10 minutes.
Place the coin inside of the Gerber jar lid, pour some of the copper solution as to immerse the coin, nothing will happen, no plating yet, grab a small portion of the steel wool and start rubbing the liquid and the steel wool on the coin, this will immediately start to copper plate the coin, the more you rub the more copper is plated, repeat the process for the other side of the coin, you can do this for many coins until the liquid has plated out.

The science behind this simple copper plating is the fact that metals are electrically conductive and will displace any of the metals which are lower in the reactivity series when steel/iron comes in contact with a more noble metal, the noble metal adopts iron lower position in the reactivity series and the copper in the solution now being electrically more noble than the coin will start to plate copper directly on the coin, but without any of the downfall of iron(very poor adhesion of the copper layer) with this method you can copper plate any metal with copper; I have done gold, silver, copper, nickel.

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Another simple experiment you can try is to 'Silver Plate' a copper penny with Tin, without the dangers of the normal procedures of zinc plating pennies(boiling sodium hydroxide and zinc dust)
Safety equipment (latex gloves, safety eye glasses) small Gerber jar(4 oz jar), aluminum foil, Stannous chloride (20 grams).
Add the stannous chloride salts to the glass jar, add about 50 ml of tap water and Mix(it will be very had to dissolve on the water but that is okay), place the penny or pennies inside the lid of the jar, stir the tinning solution and pour some of it inside of the lid to immerse the coins, grab some aluminum foil and compress it to form a small amount to fit the tips of your three fingers, start rubbing/brushing the coin/coins with the aluminum foil, if the aluminum gets too hot(chemical reaction) just add a bit more water to the solution to dilute the chlorine ions on the solution, this will plate the pennies with a strong tin layer that can be polished to a white silver shine.
The science behind this is basically the same as with the copper plating quarter coins, but in this case we use aluminum because of it's lower place in the reactivity series, Aluminum>>Iron>Tin, iron is too close to tin in the reactivity series to cause any effect, Tin sulfate will not work unless you add a pinch of salt to the solution enough chloride ions to remove the oxide layer that aluminum forms.

Marvin Sevilla
- Managua, Nicaragua


January 21, 2017 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. I once had a chemistry set in Grammar school. One process I remember most was to place a nickel in a beaker of clear liquid solution and boil to for a short while. When it was completed the nickel appeared to have a golden color to it. Would anyone know what chemical this might have been?
Regards,
Wayne

Wayne Lescarvbeau
hobbyist - Lawrence, Massachusetts USA


October 7, 2018

Q. Hello!
I have a question about chemical reaction that occurs when you put a penny (copper, or copper coating) into a hot Zn(s) / ZnCl2 (aq) solution where the result is a silver coloured penny. Is this color change due to a Zn coating or due to a gama type of brass (more than 45% of Zn)?
Whay do you have to put Zn(s) into ZnCl2 solution in order the reaction to occur?

Thank you for your answer!
Martina

Martina H [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- Slovenia, Europe


October 11, 2018

A. Hi Martina,

Zinc is necessary to close the chemical reaction, as copper doesn't oxidize (with this solution), you need some other chemical to oxidize and close the RedOx reaction:

Zn(s) [granular] --> Zn++(aq) + 2 e-
Zn++ (aq) + 2 e- --> Zn(s) [on the penny]

This reaction is happening on the penny because a LITTLE (and very very little of it) copper does oxidize:

Cu(s) [penny] --> Cu++(aq) + 2e-

But this reaction isn't quick and not much copper is dissolved, so it can't push the reaction itself.

Zinc could be omitted if you could have some chemical in the water that makes the last reaction (copper dissolving) more spontaneous (Delta G <0) and doesn't interfere with zinc passing from aqueous solution to solid state. It would be a "selective complexant".

So, I hope you can learn from this experiment (and others to come). Best of luck!!!

Daniel Montanes
TEL - N FERRARIS - Canuelas, Buenos Aires, Argentina



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