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Does cyanide gold plating bath release hydrogen cyanide?



1996

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Q. Hello, I would like to know the solubility of HCN in acidic gold plating bath. A bad smell gas seems to release during plating. Since cyanide species in acidic bath exist mainly as HCN, can HCN release during the deposition? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Yigen Li
Canada


A. "Cyanide species in acidic bath exist mainly as HCN", does not properly describe the situation here, Yigen. If one were to acidify other plating baths like copper cyanide, zinc cyanide, or cadmium cyanide, the cyanide would (as you say) exist as HCN gas, and rapidly evolve in a terribly hazardous fashion. A number of people have died in plating shops over the years due to accidentally acidifying cyanide plating baths.

However, the cyanide in acid gold baths is very tightly complexed, to the point where acid gold cyanide baths routinely operate at pH values of 3.8 to 5.0 without evolving dangerous amounts of HCN.

Just tonight I was discussing the toxicity of acid gold cyanide with a precious metal plater and a supplier of acid gold. This is 'urban legend' not hard fact, but they felt from decades of hands-on experience that the toxicity of acid gold cyanide is probably about an order of magnitude lower than sodium cyanide.

It would be foolish for me to assert from this distance, and with so few facts in hand, that you are not smelling dangerous HCN, especially since you identify the smell with the electrolytic process. I would suggest that you install an HCN detector. And if you exhibit any symptoms of cyanide poisoning, or you detect an almond-like smell, or you have any reason at all to suspect an HCN problem, the emissions should be immediately tested. But if the only reason for your concern is a misunderstanding about whether cyanide can stay complexed in an acid gold bath, rest assured that it can.

I hope another reader , especially a gold plater, can offer additional insight.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


A. Yes, HCN is released at the cathode during acid gold plating. I have noticed it many times, and the concentration of the gas seems to be in proportion to the amount of plating (amps). As long as there is a reasonable ventilation system in place, I doubt it is much of a concern. The gold bath itself is stable as you said, Ted, and the fumes are emitted only during plating.

The source? Electrolytic decomposition of the normally stable gold cyanide complex. The release of the "acid" HCN gas is also one of the reasons why gold bath pH rises during plating.

Bill Vins in sunny Mesa (what a place-a) Arizona. The pool is up to 79 F. Only about another week and I'll be swimming! Time to get out of the high 90's heat!

bill vins
Bill Vins
microwave & cable assemblies - Mesa (what a place-a), Arizona
1996



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Q. Thank you, Mr. Mooney and Mr. Vins.

In acidic gold plating bath (pH 3.5 ~5), the principle cyanide containing species are Au(CN)2- and HCN. The cathodic electrode reaction may be written as: Au(CN)2- +2H+ +e = Au + 2HCN. Before deposition, the concentration of free HCN in the bath is very low, approximately close to zero because of the high stability of the gold (I) cyanide complex, Au(CN)2-. During plating, HCN is produced on cathode and mass transfer to the solution. It's amount is proportional to the charge passed, depending on the faradaic efficiency. The equivalent amount of HCN are equal to the amount of gold deposits, if other side reactions are ignored, and the equivalent amount of HCN is also similar to the amount of hydrogen if supposed that the efficiency is about 50 %. Probably, the concentration of HCN in solution increases from zero and reaches a certain value. Initially, HCN may be not released from solution. After reaching its solubility, HCN may release. However, the solubility of HCN may be very high. Possibly, HCN exist as polymer (HCN)x. (I did not find such data, references for the solubility of HCN gas in water can be found in literature, but the condition is much different to the acidic gold plating).

Although a bad smell gas (containing H2O, H2, CO2, +?) was noticed in gold plating, is it possible that this gas contains very low concentration of HCN? The bad smell gas was also noticed by other's nose and seemed no one was killed by the suspect of HCN in acidic gold plating (pH 3.5 to 5). So, the question is at what conditions HCN may release to kill one?

Yigen Li
-Canada
1996


A. Let's accept your equations; then, after equilibrium is reached, two moles of HCN evolve for each mole of gold deposited. But what happens in alkaline gold baths that accounts for their 90-98 percent efficiency, compared to 30-40 percent in acid gold? How does the cathodic reaction differ?

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey


A. Ted,

I suspect the lower cathode efficiency of acid gold is mostly due to side reactions, especially hydrogen evolution (lots of gassing!). Some small amount goes to reducing impurities such as copper, iron, silver, etc. that get dragged into the bath and the hardeners such as cobalt or nickel, if present.

bill vins
Bill Vins
microwave & cable assemblies - Mesa (what a place-a), Arizona
1996


A. The faradaic efficiency is determined by the (faradaic and also non-faraday) reactions involved in the process. Without any side reaction, efficiency should be 100%. Besides the cathodic reduction of gold, other side reactions are also involved in gold deposition. For example, hydrogen evolution reaction (HER), the oxidation of Au (I) to Au (III), the dissolution of deposited gold to Au(I) in cyanide solution, the cathodic reduction of some additives in the bath, etc. The side reaction of HER decreases largely the efficiency.
Although the dissolution of deposited gold in alkaline cyanide solution is faster than that in acidic bath (by the way, the dissolution of deposited metal in molten electrolysis is the main reason of lower efficiency, but in aqueous bath, it is not), overpotential for HER in alkaline bath is much higher than that in acidic solution. This means HER in alkaline solution is more difficult. This may be the main reason why the efficiency of gold deposition in alkaline bath is usually much higher than that in acidic solution.
In acidic bath, codepositing alloy element (Ni or Co) also facilitates the HER, leading to a lower efficiency. The cathodic reduction of some additives in acidic bath was observed ( this may be not well known yet) and it decreases the efficiency. The oxidation of Au(I) to Au(II) results in a lower efficiency. As you know, a certain reducing agent is usually added into the gold plating bath to prevent the oxidation of Au(I).

yigen Li
-Canada
1996




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I have an immersion gold bath plating. The pH of the solution is between 5 to 6. In the worse case (dropping 10 liters of sulfuric acid in the solution) is it possible to than a high amount of HCN will be released from the solution.

Patrice Gauthier
Quebec Canada
1999



Ya, this would not be something you would want to do, say standing there wearing no protection. I am also a custom painter, and whenever I'm "messing" around with cyanide and acids like that I always wear my painting positive pressure suit. Remember this is a dangerous fume, if you are leaning a few too many inches over the concentrated gas when it is released it could cause your life, do you want to take that risk? Wear protective gear!

barrett russell
Barrett Russell
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
1999


thumbs up sign Thanks very very for HCN gases hazards.

Atul Chumakia
laser make - Surar, Guju
August 9, 2009




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Is HCN gas released from an acid gold bath

Q. Hello,

I work every day with acid gold baths. We do not have any problem with our baths but one guy asked me an interesting question and I would like to have your opinion.

We have several acid gold baths, so we have cyanide gold in the baths and the pH is acid (between 3 and 5). The question is: Is it possible that HCN gas releases in the atmosphere if we add too much acid in the bath (by "normal" acid addition to stabilise the pH or accidentally)? If it is possible, how much acid is needed to release HCN gas and be dangerous for health?

In my point of view, cyanide is strongly complexed with Gold in the bath even in acid environment. So (CN)- is released only during plating where [Au(CN)2]- + e- -> Au + 2 (CN)-. After (CN)- can be oxidized at the anode but I do not know the reactions or products, an idea please? Therefore, HCN gas released in the atmosphere cannot occur, but some people say Yes, HCN can be released in the atmosphere if we acidify the gold baths Who is right, who is wrong? What is your point of view on this subject?

Thanks you for your help.
Best Regards

Thomas Perrier
- Berne, Switzerland
January 22, 2020


A. Hi Thomas
The double salt gold potassium cyanide is very stable. Routine gravimetric analysis requires boiling nitric/sulfuric acids to destroy it.
You may be interested in an extensive dissertation on cyanides at ...
https://www.academia.edu/10635761/Cyanides_in_Metal_Finishing_Risks_and_Alternatives

geoff smith
Geoff Smith
Hampshire, England
February 27, 2020


A. Hello Thomas,
If I may expand some on Geoff's answer a bit. In acid gold baths the ph naturally increases, as you know. To lower the ph citric acid [on eBay or Amazon] is normally added, some platers add 5% sulfuric. I don't prefer sulfuric or recommend it however. As you mention, the cyanide in the complex is oxidized at the anode and becomes potassium cyanate, which is an organic. This is the main reason why periodic carbon polishing is key. As Geoff states, PGC salts are stable and as long as the pH doesn't drop too low, dangerous gasses will not cause any problem.

Mark Baker
Retired - Winston Salem, North Carolina USA
February 28, 2020


Q. Hello,

Thank you for your replies Geoff and Mark! Yes KAu(CN)2 is very stable in Gold bath even in acidic bath (pH between 3 and 5). But if we add too much acid in the bath, is there a risk to release HCN gas? Mark, you said "PGC salts are stable and as long as the ph doesn't drop too low". And my question is: if the pH drop very low due to an accidental or error in the acid addition. In this case, HCN could release in the atmosphere and it will be very dangerous for people, do you agree with me?

Just another question Mark, what do you mean by "periodic carbon polishing is key"? What is carbon polishing? Treatment/cleaning with activated carbon??

Best Regards,

Thomas Perrier [returning]
- Berne, Switzerland



Q. Hello,

Thank you very much for your replies! But...
What do you mean Mark by " carbon polishing" : a common activated carbon treatment??
You say also "PGC salts are stable and as long as the ph doesn't drop too low, dangerous gasses will not cause any problem." And my question is what is the effect if we add too much acid in these acidic baths : is it possible HCN escapes from the bath and be dangerous for health? What could be the quantity of acid is needed to release HCN for these acidic gold baths?

Thank you again,
Best Regards

Thomas Perrier [returning]
- Berne, Switzerland
March 9, 2020




Q. Hello,

Just to update this post! I can't find anywhere an answer to my question. If the pH of my gold bath drops by a lot of acid put in the solution, is there a risk of HCN gas released? How much acid could release HCN from a gold acid bath? Could you help me please?

Many people come back with this question, and I have not the answer yet. Have you ever tested, ideas or some reference on this subject?

Thank you so much for your help
Best Regards

Thomas Perrier [returning]
- Berne, Switzerland
September 16, 2020


A. Hi Thomas
Firstly commercial acid gold bathe are heavily buffered and it takes a very large dose of acid to drop the pH below about 2 where GPC is still stable.
In gravimetric analysis it is common to add a significant excess of concentrated Nitric/sulfuric acid and boil which will give off a small quantity of HCN. But even this has to be done correctly or the GPC breaks down to gold cyanide, a yellow precipitate that is not affected by the boiling acids. Very annoying and ruining the analysis!
In many years of operating and servicing acid gold baths, I have never experienced any detectable cyanide gas being given off.
https://www.academia.edu/10635761/Cyanides_in_Metal_Finishing_Risks_and_Alternatives

The only significant problem I found was over-enthusiastic safety officers with little knowledge of the minimal realistic level of risk and a mission to eliminate cyanides and replace known risk with a totally unknown one.

geoff smith
Geoff Smith
Hampshire, England
September 16, 2020



Q. Hello,

Thank you Geoff for your reply. I agree with you, we need a lot of acid to drop the pH from 3-4 (usual acid Gold bath) to 2 or less. What I would like to know is how much acid could drop the pH to a value where there is a risk of HCN gas releases from bath. I do not really understand your explanation on gravimetric analysis. I agree again with you, we do not notice HCN gas with our gold baths but some safety officers ask us, what will be the result if accidentally a large amount of acid is put in an acidic gold bath, how much HCN would be released? From my point of view, I do not know, PGC is very stable in gold baths. So I do not think it is possible to produce HCN gas, but I do not find some experiences, data, tests... on the subject. If anyone has more info on the subject, let me know please.

To finish, you are right with your last sentence!! It is for that, I would like to find information on the risks of HCN gas release from gold acid bath.

Thank you
Best Regards

Thomas Perrier [returning]
- Berne Switzerland
September 21, 2020


A. The rate at which cyanide is destroyed at the anodes is much slower than the rate at which gold is plated out. This can result in a build up of a low concentration of free cyanide or higher order gold cyanide complexes like Au(CN)3 in the bath, but is unlikely to result in significant release of cyanide to the atmosphere at plating bath pH values.

Lyle Kirman
- Cleveland Heights, Ohio
October 2, 2020



Q. Hello,

Thank you Lyle for your comment. You are right, I agree with you. My question is on the quantity of acid (e.g. H2SO4 or HCl) we can add in a acidic gold bath (pH around 3) without release of HCN gas from the bath.

From my point of view, even if we put a lot of acid in my gold bath, it will not release HCN gas. But some safety officers tell that HCN gas could release from acidic gold baths and it can be very dangerous. Nevertheless they cannot tell me what quantity is needed to generate this HCN and the quantity of HCN produced.

With my question, I would like to know if some people have studied or experimented this potential problem of HCN in acidic gold baths

Thomas Perrier [returning]
- Berne, Switzerland
October 7, 2020


A. Hi Thomas. I suspect that perhaps nobody has ever investigated whether there is any possible way whatsoever whereby a dangerous quantity of hydrogen cyanide can be released from an acid gold bath because they've seen no evidence that a serious poisoning has ever occurred, and it can be almost impossible to examine every arrangement of variables and every possible scenario? I've certainly heard of fatalities from cyanide in plating shops, but never from acidifying an acid gold bath; and reading between the lines, I'd say that neither Geoff (who has studied CN extensively), nor Mark, nor Lyle has either. Although cyanide is a very dangerous poison, it's a natural one, present in low dosage in fruits and vegetables and in building materials. What if you're 10 times more likely to die from exposure to CN fumes from a building fire in your shop than from acidifying your acid gold solution, and you focused on this instead of fire prevention and building material selection? My point is that maybe efforts might be better spent researching whether such an accident has ever actually happened in this art which has been practiced since the early 1800s than trying to determine what arrangement of variables could theoretically cause a serious release? Sometimes history is the most promising path. Best of luck.

Luck & Regards,

pic of Ted Mooney
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
October 2020


thumbs up sign Hello,

Thank you very much for your reply Ted. I think you are completely right. I have never heard either of an accident with HCN release from acidifying a acidic gold bath. But it is possible it will happen one day (if it is theoretically possible)

What I can do is to calculate the theoretical quantity of HCN that can be produced by my bath and the quantity of H+ needed to form HCN. It should give me an idea I think.
After the best is to test, I take a small quantity of bath in the lab (under Fume hood), I add acid inside and I measure HCN gas with a detector.

Thank you every one! After my tests, I will give you a feedback :)

Thomas Perrier
- Berne Switzerland
October 8, 2020




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