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Testing whether Alodine 1200 clear finish was actually done


(2001)

Q. When I receive a part that I have had manufactured, requesting a clear Alodine 1200 finish, is there any way that I can check the part to be sure that the process has been done?

Floy A. Smith
- Fremont, California, USA


(2001)

A. You might want to check your information again, there is no such thing as a "clear Alodine 1200" coating. Alodine 1200, 1200s and 600 are all MC (multicolor coatings) chem films. If you requested 1200, you will get a colored coating. If you requested clear however, you will get an Alodine 1500 or an Alodine 1000 (these are CC, or colorless coatings). There is essentially no way to non-destructively verify the coating unless you have access to the part within 1 hour of the coating process.

You can however check for a proper coating on the assumption that it is coated (i.e. check for a powdery coating, check for areas of color, check for contamination on the surface...), or you can scrap one part and run a test on it to verify the coating. The test is called a spot chromate test and if you want I'll send you the procedure. The area taken for the test is around 3/4" diameter and the test will remove the coating in that area (depending on your specs, you may still be able to accept the part...)

Please respond if you want the procedures for this test, or if you have any other questions on "clear 1200 Alodine" (MC vs. CC).

Benjamin Curto
- Ponderay, Idaho, USA


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(2001)
If you check mil-c-5541 you will find process for clear Alodine, this basically involves washing with hot water until the gold color is gone. ;0)
Brad Sawyers
- Racine, Wisconsin


(2002)
Hi,
You should use diluted Alodine 1200 to get a clear color.
Moshe Yaakov
IAI - Lod, Israel


(2006)
In the good old days, clear chem-film was done by hot water leach.
Bob W. [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- Santee, California, USA


(2001)

Q. I would be interested in the spot chromate test procedures.

Floy A. Smith [returning]
- Fremont, California, USA

(2001)

A. We use a chemical spot test kit. It's made by MacDermid. They call it the ARP solution, part A&B.

Larry Conley
Electronics - Seattle, Washington, USA


(2001)

A. Chromate Spot Test (for QA):

1) 0.200 (+/- .004) grams of diphenylcarbohydrazide
2) 20 mils Acetone [linked by editor to product info at Amazon].
3) 10 mils H3PO4.
4) 10 mils H2O (distilled).
5) Label and date solution with an 8-hour expiration date.
6) Dispose of expired reagent in the appropriately labeled waste container.

That's the makeup for the chromate spot test. For it to work though, you need to re-activate the chromium on the surface. I do this be wiping the area fairly aggressively with an clean cheesecloth wet with MEK / methyl ethyl ketone, then I lightly abrade the area (1/2"-3/4")with a Scotch Brite [linked by editor to product info at Amazon] wet with MEK.

I've also found that using a pocket knife to scrape off some of the coating (though you can't see it...)into a small beaker (say, 50 mL) and adding 3-5 mL distilled water and testing for chrome will also work sometimes.

If you Alodine at all in-house you can simply t/u the area with a manual application.

Let me know if this helps, or if you need more specific info.

Benjamin Curto
Cygnus Inc. - Ponderay, Idaho, USA


August 18, 2009

Q. I would like to request all the possible information about Alodine 1200 in rivets holes in Al-C-structures.

Araceli Venegas Gomez
Engineer - Germany


August 21, 2009

A. Hi, Ariceli. You could contact your Alodine supplier, or you might describe your situation and see if anyone can help you with a specific question. Realistically, I doubt that any reader, with the possible exception of the manufacturer, Henkel, is going to compile all available information about Alodine 1200 in rivet holes for you. Good luck!

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com Teds signature
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey



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