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Concentration of Passivate Bath (Nitric for Stainless)

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(2001)

Our stainless steel passivate bath (30% nitric) has caused severe dulling of the part. I am not sure that our bath is made up at the correct concentration. Could someone give me some guidance as to what the nitric concentration should be and why this dulling occurred.

Karen Phillips
- Charlotte, North Carolina


(2001)

Different stainless alloys require different passivate "baths" to avoid damage or discoloration of the material.You can refer to the current spec. which is ASTM A967 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet] -99 or the old standard, Mil-Spec QQ-P-35 [link is to free spec at Defense Logistics Agency, dla.mil].

Good Luck.

Bill Grayson
- Santa Cruz, California, USA


simultaneous (2001)

Run some samples on a 20% by volume of nitric acid with 2-3% of sodium dichromate. Ask your customer for process specifications on this particular part.

The parts may dulled due to contamination in the bath. A good rule of the thumb would be to test a small batch of parts prior to start-up.

Another reason the parts could dull can be load size.
Cut back on the load size.

Regards,

Joel Garcia
- McAllen, Texas


(2001)

Hello Karen!

To add onto Bill Grayson's answer: ASTM A 967, AMS2700 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet], and QQ-P-35 all list recipes for passivation solutions and recommendations for using which bath for which grade. Yet the olde, cancelled, federal specification QQ-P-35 is freely available on the Net. Go to assist.daps.mil to get to the ASSIST page, and use the Quicksearch button to get the search screen. Type in QQ-P-35, and you'll get the pdf file of the old spec. Table 1 has the recipes, table 2 has the recommended baths for various stainless grades.

We "solved" our longstanding problem of etching on 416 and 440C grades by switching away from a type II bath, to a type VIII bath for those grades.

I hope this helps!

lee gearhart
Lee Gearhart
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(2001)

Karen:

You probably have one of two situations:

1) The bath has become too dilute, making it a reducing acid bath(See ASTM A-967 for correct concentration), or you need a dichromate additive for your grade of stainless.
2) You have a "poorer grade" of stainless which can do this sometimes in nitric acid.

You can resolve either of these situations by using a citric acid bath which meets ASTM A-967. Some formulations are safe for all grades and gives excellent performance compared to nitric.

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