Summary for black annealed crs Discussion
Black annealed CRS caused a powder coating problem on thin furniture tubes, with the coater reporting that grains appeared on the surface after coating. The questioner said the company had previously used shiny cold rolled tubes, but after switching suppliers to black annealed cold rolled steel, the finished parts showed the defect. The excerpt provided does not include a full diagnosis or remedy, only the problem statement and the thread header. Based on the source shown, the key issue is that the change in tube supply and surface condition likely affected powder coating appearance, and the discussion is framed as a troubleshooting question for the coater and supplier. No specific corrective advice is visible in the excerpt, so any conclusion should remain cautious.
Q. Hi,
We make furniture using tubes (around 1 mm thickness) using cold rolled tubes.
We used to buy tubes with a shiny color. Lately we changed our tubes supplier. The tubes we received from our new supplier are black annealed CRS. When we sent our products to the powder coater, we got feedback that some sort of grains appeared on the surface of the tubes after coating.
I have a few questions:
1. Is black annealed CRS not suitable for powder coating?
2. Besides the bad aesthetic look of our products because of these small grains, is there any functional drawback which might occur? (For example will the adhesion of the painting be less?)
3. If the adhesion will be lower and we might face the risk of painting falling off the product, is there any change we can instruct the coater to do to alleviate this problem (like exposing the product to a longer period in the pickling tank)?
Thank you
Nader FAM
– CAIRO EGYPT
January 3, 2024
A. Hello Nader.
In general, ‘black annealed’ seems to refer to annealed material which has received an oil treatment which gives it a black color. I suspect that it is theoretically possible to remove that oil coating, but that your powder coater uses a mild pretreatment sequence which does not remove it, and the result is an outgassing upon heating which creates those tiny volcanoes we see on the surface.
I would suggest asking your powder coater to scrub a few parts with a scrub brush
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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
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