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topic 61201

Anodizing seal issue on bead blasted areas

January 28, 2021

Q. Hi Guys,

Darren here from New Zealand

We have both 6000 series and 7075 parts anodized, most of the parts a glass bead blasted on the outside of the part, we have about 70,000 parts anodized per year.

Before our product goes out we give it a rub down with WD40, that gives it a nice even look.

Early December we had some of our 7075 parts come back, once rubbed down with WD40 the bead blasted surface would start to dry out and give a dry gray look, rather than a nice black as we are used to, applied WD40 multiple times and it would always dry out within minutes. We have been running these parts for 10+ years and have never had this issue before.

I took some of these parts home and boiled them in DI water for 15 minutes and the issue goes away, parts are back to normal, so this would indicate a seal issue, but why only on the bead blasted surface? the non blasted surface didn't have this issue.

The above parts are machined on our big CNC. Parts that were machined on our smaller CNC, both 7075 and 6000 series do not present with this problem. One difference is the parts that are machined on the big CNC are etched for 90 seconds, the parts on the small cnc are etched for 4-5 minutes.

I believe the parts are sealed in Nickel acetate for 4 minutes, parts are semi-hard coated to 25 micron.

The anodizer changed the seal tank and the problem went away.

I would like to understand what was happening, why was it only the blasted surface that was causing an issue, why didn't the parts on the other machine have this issue? Would the etch time have any influence, what about contamination in the bigger machines coolant?

See picture of single stack, parts on left are good, parts on right have dried out, stack was wiped down with WD40 at the same time:

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This was one of the worst lot of parts, some would come back blotchy:

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Thank you.

Darren Toms
- Hamilton New Zealand
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January 29, 2021

A. The bead blasting changes the texture of the surface, then the pores build randomly (instead of straight perpendicular) and when magnified by the anodic film, then looks different. Also, the work hardening of the blasting affects the size of the pore, already almost too small to dye, and if borderline to small, as in hard coat, it will not seal. Your extreme hot water at home completed the seal.

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Robert H Probert
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January 29, 2021

A. Hi Darren,
Frankly, I don't suppose problem of source is "etching duration". According to your survey, most likely problem is sealing bath but then you ask why did not occur in smaller CNC machine as rightly? One possibility we you can focus the coolants of machines. Do you use same coolant for both machines or different coolant? Also, what's the pH value of coolant? If you use different coolants for both machines, I'd advise you to replace coolants between each other and survey consequences.
Good Luck

alaattin tuna
- TURKEY Sakarya


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simultaneous
January 30, 2021

A. Dropping by to add from personal experience that glass bead blasting prior to black anodize has caused us problems in the past; in fact your photos are giving me flashbacks! Ours, though bad enough to reject for shipment, were not as badly blotched as yours, so as other commenters have noted, there are other areas for investigation and/or improvement in your process for sure.

However if you want to eliminate the blasting step from your list of headaches, 140 grit Aluminum oxide blast media that is ONLY used on Aluminum, has given us far superior results. The etch and deox/desmut tanks are very good at removing aluminum oxide residue from the blasting operation. Glass; not so much.

Oh- also the color shifting I'm seeing on your parts, ranging from blue-grey to nearly pink- check the pH of your dye and seal. And if you are coming out of Anodize and going rinse straight to dye, consider adding a ~6% Nitric preconditioning tank which will drive the Sulfuric out of the pores, and rinses off much better. Failing to really clean Sulfuric out of the pores will wreak havoc with consistent dyeing. Just don't leave parts in the Nitric too long or the surface will take on a dusty, scorched appearance.

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Rachel Mackintosh
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January 30, 2021

Q. Thanks for the replies.

That makes sense regarding the bead blasting but why is this issue not on the parts from the smaller machine, do you think the longer etch is enough to remove some of the bead blasting to have an effect on the seal?

Same coolant in both machines.

Darren Toms [returning]
- Hamilton New Zealand
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February 1, 2021

A. Frankly, I do not understand your problem's source. Long or short etching duration does not effect the sealing quality as you mentioned. In other words, sealing quality is independent from etching process. I think lack of one point in this situation as data. But if you say I am sure then I only advise you: if I were you I would always use small machine instead of big machine :)))

Alaattin Tuna
- TURKEY Sakarya


February 2, 2021

A. 1. You say that "One difference is the parts that are machined on the big CNC are etched for 90 seconds, the parts on the small cnc are etched for 4-5 minutes", then my question is "Why do you use different etching time?"
2.Nickel acetate sealing time of 4 minutes is not enough for thickness of 25 µ.

John hu
- Singapore


February 15, 2021

Q. Hi,

The shorter etch time is because that particular alloy is quite grainy, if we etch to the standard time they come back very grainy once anodized. We import 7075 from two different mills. Both lots are having this seal issue.

We had some parts come back today that were from the smaller machine these parts are having this same issue, so that rules out the machine as the cause, the only other process that all parts go through at our end is bead blasting. I have purchased some alloy oxide to see if that helps at all.

To note, the worst of the parts that came in today had a purply colour to them.

Darren Toms [returning]
- New Zealand Hamilton
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February 16, 2021

Q. Hi guys,

We just had some more parts come in today with this same issue scattered through a few of the parts, I have notice the parts with the issue have a slight yellow tinge to them and had previously notice quite a purple colour to some of the bad parts.

The tinge seems to be on the blasted and non blasted surface.

Would this be related to the seal or dye PH as mentioned above by Rachel Mackintosh?

See attached picture:

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Darren Toms [returning]
- Hamilton New Zealand
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February 17, 2021

A. Frankly speaking, the part shown on the last photo is not black enough, most probably due to the dye concentration too low (provided anodizing thickness is higher than 10 µm).

John hu
- Singapore

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