Aloha, fun & authoritative answers -- no cost, no registration, no passwords, no popups
(as an eBay Partner & Amazon Affiliate we earn from qualifying purchases)

Home /
T.O.C.
Fun
FAQs
Good
Books
Ref.
Libr.
Adver-
tise
Help
Wanted
Current
Q&A's
Site 🔍
Search
pub  Where the
world gathers for metal finishing
Q&As since 1989



-----

Cement reverts to having hex chrome after treatment




Q. Hi,
I wonder if you have ever heard of hexavalent chromium be treated with ferrous sulphate ferrous sulphate [affil links] for reduction to trivalent chromium in the cement industry and then, after only some weeks of storage, the hexavalent chromium to be back again in concentrations of more than 2 ppm (which is the EU allowed limit in bulk cement).

We definitely know that the iron sulphate did the job in the first place and reduced the Cr content to lower than 2 ppm, but then after some weeks of storage the Cr6+ content went up.

We are doing this job in Greece for years - i.e. treating the Cr6+ of the cement with iron sulphate to reduce hexavalent chromium and we didn't change our process whatsoever so that this change in behavior of Cr6+ is justified. Normally it takes months till Cr6+ starts to increase and still not considerably (if the cement is stored in kind of oxidation conditions).

Would be grateful for any insight on this issue.

Kind Regards,

SYMEON GEORGIADIS
GSA HELLENIC MODELLING CENTER P.C. - HALANDRI, ATHENS, GREECE
August 27, 2018


A. In U.S. 4,784,691 to Rasmussen (now expired), the patentee states "The amount of ferrous sulphate ferrous sulphate [affil links] to be added depends, inter alia, on the amount of chromate contained in the cement, and as the chromate-reducing ability of the ferrous sulphate ferrous sulphate [affil links] may decrease during the period of time in which the finished cement composition is stored before use, the necessary amount of ferrous sulphate ferrous sulphate [affil links] may also depend on the stipulated storage time of the cement composition. The longer the cement mixture is to be stored, the more ferrous sulphate ferrous sulphate [affil links] is required." So this isn't new.

I would presume that the best solution would be to add more ferrous sulphate ferrous sulphate [affil links] depending on the amount of chromium and the storage time. Lea's Chemistry of Cement and Concrete [affil link on Amazon] is an invaluable resource on cement chemistry.

tom_rochester
Tom Rochester
CTO - Jackson, Michigan, USA
Plating Systems & Technologies, Inc.
supporting advertiser
plating systems & technologies banner ad
August 28, 2018




Q. Thanks Tom, this is indeed the solution that I thought of also. It is in fact a matter of the content of reactive iron, that is to say Fe2+, contained in the iron sulphate product. It seems that depending on whether the iron sulphate is added in the end product or during the grinding process the result (Cr content) we get in the end product. Obviously during the grinding process and due to high temperatures part of the bivalent ferrous is oxidized to trivalent ferrous therefore losing its reductive power.
Since the product we are using has a Fe2+ content of 22% it is a question if during the production process of iron sulphate higher Fe2+ can be achieved. As far as I know the drying of the iron sulphate takes place in either rotary drums or belt conveyors which are "ventilated" with warm air. But also to the best of my knowledge, you can not get to higher content than 22-25% unless you apply a more intensive thermal drying process.
So the question is how can we suggest to our iron sulphate producer, apply a more rigorous process of thermal drying in order to achieve higher Fe2+ content.

SYMEON GEORGIADIS [returning]
GSA HELLENIC MODELLING CENTER P.C. - HALANDRI, ATHENS, GREECE
August 28, 2018


A. My first instinct would be to just add more ferrous sulphate ferrous sulphate [affil links]. I know that there is a huge stochiometric excess of ferrous ions. Another option would be to add sugar. Sugar will increase the setting time (this might be a good thing or it may be a bad thing) and reduce hex chrome to tri since sugars are reducing agents.

tom_rochester
Tom Rochester
CTO - Jackson, Michigan, USA
Plating Systems & Technologies, Inc.
supporting advertiser
plating systems & technologies banner ad
August 28, 2018




(No "dead threads" here! If this page isn't currently on the Hotline your Q, A, or Comment will restore it)

Q, A, or Comment on THIS thread -or- Start a NEW Thread

Disclaimer: It's not possible to fully diagnose a finishing problem or the hazards of an operation via these pages. All information presented is for general reference and does not represent a professional opinion nor the policy of an author's employer. The internet is largely anonymous & unvetted; some names may be fictitious and some recommendations might be harmful.

If you are seeking a product or service related to metal finishing, please check these Directories:

 
Jobshops
Capital
Equipment
Chemicals &
Consumables
Consult'g, Train'g
& Software


About/Contact  -  Privacy Policy  -  ©1995-2024 finishing.com, Pine Beach, New Jersey, USA  -  about "affil links"