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Galvanizing surface defect (look like black spot)


A discussion started in 2001 but continuing through 2018

May 16, 2011

Q. We have a modern hot dip galvanizing plant.
For some days we've observed a defect in particular section.
Defect: unidentified material patches (pink colour) observed on surface only after pickling, & found that no acidic reaction done on particular patch (HCl Tank Strength 18%), after galvanising it look like black spot.
Some cases the patch over surface which can remove by fine grinding. But most of time it penetrated on surface which difficult to remove by grind & which created dip mark.
(Before fabrication it is not observed)

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Nitin Sontakke
employee - India


May 19, 2011

A. Dear Nitin,
The problem you're facing is common in Hot rolled material like angles & channels.
Sometimes while rolling, some undercuts and laminations are developed in the material, which gets filled with thick Mill scale.These mill scales are found very hard to remove in pickling.
All I can say that there is nothing wrong with your process, the defect is in your steel.
I would suggest you consult your material supplier.

Regards.

Samrat Chanda
towers - Jeddah, Saudi Arabia

simultaneous May 19, 2011

A. I agree, this looks like either slag inclusions in hot rolling, or laminations in rolling.
Not a galvanizing fault, a steel rolling fault.

Geoff Crowley
Geoff Crowley
galvanizing & powder coating shop
Glasgow, Scotland



May 19, 2011

A. Sir:

On the one hand, Samrat may be correct.
On the other hand, a stronger flux and altering the zinc chemistry may well prevent these black spots (bare areas).
Since only last summer I have learned to overcome some problems like these by altering the zinc chemistry. Although I have learned much in the last 40 years about galvanizing, since last summer I have at least doubled what I previously have learned.

Regards,

Dr. Thomas H. Cook
Galvanizing Consultant - Hot Springs, South Dakota



December 24, 2013

Q. Hi friends,
We have problems about bare spots on galvanised surface of our products in continuous galv line. Dew point of furnace is about -36 but we have some problems with radiant tube (ss 310) some of them have leakage on weld lines. Is it possible this is the reason for bare spot? Also we change the Al % in zinc bath. and reduce from 0.3% to 0.2% but quality not more change. Does chromating process have any effect?
Please guide me.

Mohammad Reza Ourang
- Tehran, Iran


December 30, 2013

A. Dear Mr. Mohammad Reza Ourang,
The dew point and Aluminum are not the cause of uncoated spots. It is possible for leaking radiant tubes to cause uncoated spots. The combustion mix in the radiant tube should be lean (4% oxygen in the exhaust flue gas) and this will oxidize the strip in the radiant tube section. An easy way to confirm this is to manually shut down the burners of the leaking tubes by shutting off both the air and gas valves. If the uncoated spots disappear, then the leaking radiant tubes are the culprit. Please remember that there are a lot more possible causes for such defects.

Happy New Year

Voo

Yk Voo
- Shah Alam, Malaysia



Dust-like stain on galvanized steel

August 23, 2017

Q. Sir,
We are galvanizing plant of lighting poles in Thailand. Currently, our problem is that the poles developed a dust like stain about 3-4 days after galvanizing. The stain can be cleaned but will start coming back after a while. Our supplier suggests this is an acid corrosion, but since we never had this problem before, we believe it could be related to we started adding Zn-Ni alloy into Zn bath or changing passivation chemical from chromic acid to dichromate.

Here is Zn bath analysis (%wt):
Pb 0.9542
Cd <0.0001
Fe 0.0212
Cu 0.0062
Al <0.0001
Sn 0.0004
Ni 0.0335

We currently not sure what the problem is or how to solve the problem.

Immediately after galvanizing:
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After 3 or 4 days:

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Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Nattapong Suksudprasert
- Bangkok, Thailand

August 26, 2017

A. This looks like "White rust", and your mention of the change in passivation sounds like the likely cause.

Geoff Crowley
Geoff Crowley
galvanizing & powder coating shop
Glasgow, Scotland




White shadow mark on hot dip galvanised material

July 22, 2018

Q. My situation:Dear Sir,

We have observed white shadow mark on hot dip galvanised material. The material size are 600 mm width and 1250 mm length plain surface & 450 mm width and 2500 mm length plain surface. We observed distortion on same materials. Our customer also inspected the material and rejected for the white shadow mark and distortion. We gave explanation for both NCs but our customer is not agreeing upon that.

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Please advise can we control at galvanise end to eliminate the above NC during the galvanising.

Gopinath Nadar
Employee - Mumbai, Maharastra, India


August 15, 2018

A. Those marks are NOT a cause for rejection of galvanizing if ISO 1461 [link is to spec at Amazon] is used as the standard.
The marks are caused by tension on the surface of the oxide payer as the steel emerges from the liquid zinc in the process. The zinc pool is continually oxidizing, forming a zinc oxide "scum" on the surface of the molten zinc.
The steel item being taken from that zinc vertically attracts some of that thin layer of zinc oxide and it sticks to the surface. But the rate of withdrawal of the steel exceeds the rate of deposition of the oxide, so the layer of oxide tears, leaving a gap where there's no oxide.
In time this mark will disappear, after perhaps 6 months outdoors exposure.
You could measure the thickness of the zinc at each point and find no difference.

Geoff Crowley
Geoff Crowley
galvanizing & powder coating shop
Glasgow, Scotland



August 18, 2018

Q. Thank you for your reply.

But our customer is asking for very smooth surface on hot dip galvanized for aesthetic look, like electro-zinc plated or pre-galvanized. What can do to answer for customer. Please suggest any standard so we can show this standard to customer.

Gopinath nadar [returning]
- Mumbai, Maharastra, India


August 22, 2018

A. Hot dip galvanizing should not be selected if an aesthetic look is aimed at. It's a corrosion protection coating, a functional coating.

The standard is already mentioned in recent post.

If you want the look of electroplating, then select that, but be aware that there's a huge difference in the corrosion protection afforded by these two quite different coatings.

Geoff Crowley
Geoff Crowley
galvanizing & powder coating shop
Glasgow, Scotland



September 3, 2018

thumbs up sign  Thank you so much sir

Gopinath nadar
- Mumbai, Maharastra, India



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