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topic 56202

Stainless steel passivation color inconsistent, changes


A discussion started in 2003 but continuing through 2019

2003

Q. Dear Sirs,

We are a precision tooling manufacturer, I have came across this problem with passivation. Recently,we have our tools sent for passivation process.The material is 440C,the different between this tool is one of them had heat-treated to HRC 56-58,the result we got after the passivation process is the one without heat-treat have a darker colour "black",the ohter which heat-treated came out with brighter colour "silver".

We were wondering what have happen in the passivation process.We hope that you have the answer for us.

Thanking you in advance.

Tai Mai
- Georgetown, Penang, Malaysia


2003

A. What you are seeing is the carbon on the surface of what is affectionately called a "burned" product. This is not untypical with 440C and some other grades of high carbon, high sulfur stainless steels. it can be caused by a number of conditions in the bath. With using the correct pretreatment to remove some of the carbon and sulfur with alkaline (high pH) products you usually can eliminate this problem. If you are using nitric acid you need to have sodium dichromate or equivalent in the bath (caution: hexavalent chromium). If you use the correct citric acid based products that are on the market you will not have this problem and get consistent high quality parts.

Let us know if we can help.

lee kremer
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Lee Kremer
Stellar Solutions, Inc.
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McHenry, Illinois
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November 23, 2010

Q. I am the Quality Control Supervisor for a FAA Repair Station. We do some passivation in house, however, the results are not very consistent. Sometimes while performing this process on Stainless Steel parts the result is a clear and shiny color while in some other cases the outcome is a dull and darker color. Are the different results due to the dipping time, contaminants, temperature and/or humidity? or simply because there is a range like in any other coating or plating process. Thanks in advance for your cooperation

Gino Faranda
Quality Control Supervisor - Miami, Florida, USA


simultaneous November 26, 2010

A. Check the chemical makeup of each lot of SS.
Check the heat treatment state of each part.
Check the surface smoothness of each part.
Try to find out how each part was actually cleaned. What is on the process router sheet is not what always happens.
Since water is added to many EP tanks, the solution needs to be truly homogeneous to get the proper results.
Temperature is another factor that is overlooked when it is supposed to be automatic controlled.
How often is the tank analyzed?
Any possibility that the tank was stirred and sludge settled on the part

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida


November 29, 2010

A. Gino,

You are going to have to give a few more details:

What alloys are we talking about here?
What process are you using for the passivation?

If you are processing 440C or 416 type alloys I can understand where you may be having problems. If it is one of the other alloys it may be a little harder to explain.

Brian Terry
aerospace - Yeovil, Somerset, United Kingdom


December 16, 2010

A. This does depend on factors such as the grade of stainless, type of passivation bath used, temperature and immersion time.

Generally, when you see a "color change" in a metal surface, it is due to the surface finish. A smooth, shiny surface that is chemically etched will appear darker to the naked eye.

If you are having etching problems with some of your parts, you may need to reduce the immersion time or find a more appropriate bath. The passivation standards have charts that describe what nitric baths are best for which grades, or switch to citric acid which if done right will not etch the parts at all.

ray kremer
Ray Kremer
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August 25, 2017 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. Currently I'm facing a problem with my supplier related to the finishing of the color surface after the passivation process. Some parts looks shiny and other ones look like gray color, not shiny color. So, during this process, is it normal to have this difference between parts? Just to clarify, these parts were not processed at the same time.

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ruben_alvarado
Ruben Alvarado
L3 comunications - Chihuahua.Chih. Mexico


simultaneous August 28, 2017

A. Ruben could you share the alloy of the parts and the type of passivation used?

regards

Yohands Rey
KAT aerospace - Chihuahua, Mexico


August 28, 2017

A. Ruben,
It depends a lot on the grade of stainless and what is being done to them. Nitric passivation has a much higher chance of etching the surface then citric acid passivation. High chromium 300 series grades has a much lower chance of getting etched than low chromium 400 series grades.

In theory passivation should not change the surface finish, but there are still some people around that associate the etched/pickled look of the nitric acid treatment with successful passivation.

ray kremer
Ray Kremer
Stellar Solutions, Inc.
McHenry, Illinois


August 31, 2017

Q. Sure Yohands the alloy is AMS5517.

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Thanks Ray I appreciate your valuable help and comments

ruben_alvarado
Ruben Alvarado [returning]
L3 comunications - Chihuahua.Chih. Mexico



June 11, 2019

Q. We are processing passivation for 440c stainless (nitric acid,Ty-II). After processing, part become black in color.

We are wondering what has happened after passivation process. I hope that I can get answer for this.

R

Naveetha sekar
Aerospace - Tamilnadu,India


June 18, 2019

A. Naveetha,
The two more common causes is the parts weren't properly heat treated to full hardness, or the higher amount of elemental carbon in the alloy is collecting on the surface and it needs alkaline precleaning to prevent it.

ray kremer
Ray Kremer
Stellar Solutions, Inc.
McHenry, Illinois


June 20, 2019

The darkened surface of the passivated surface may be due to a phenomena known as "flash attack", which is usually caused by a passivating solution that is contaminated or compromised to such an extent that it no longer is "passivating" the surface but rather corroding the surface instead. I have cut & pasted several paragraphs from literature below that help explain the situation below.

"Basic procedure in passivating consists of cleaning the work with a commercial degreaser or cleanser, immersing it in a solution containing nitric acid, rinsing and drying it. The importance of cleaning prior to acid bath immersion cannot be over-emphasized. In some instances, this step is omitted, assuming the acid bath will give the necessary cleanness. Cleaning should not be skipped because the acid might not remove all of the residual cutting fluid, resulting in possible chemical reactions with the residual cutting fluid known as 'flash attack'. These unwanted reactions may cause serious deterioration of the surfaces that passivation is designed to protect.

Even worse, contamination of the passivating solution, sometimes with high levels of chlorides, can cause 'flash attack'. Instead of obtaining the desired oxide film with a shiny, clean corrosion-resisting surface, the flash attack produces a heavily etched or darkened surface. This is a deterioration of the very surface that passivation is designed to optimize.

Contamination in either nitric or citric acid chemistry can be detrimental to the passivation process. This is especially true of chloride which can lead to flash-attack or etching of the surface of the parts being passivated. Instead of achieving the desired oxide film with a clean and corrosion-resisting surface, flash attack will produce a heavy etched or darkened surface. A common chloride contamination limit is no greater than 60 mg/litter in either citric or nitric acid passivation chemistries."



Other Important Considerations
Maintain an effective passivating solution to prevent localized attack. Tap water is usually adequate for diluting the acid, although high chloride contents (greater than several hundred ppm) could be deleterious in a borderline situation. Nitric acid concentration should be checked periodically using a simple titration procedure, which can be provided upon request.
When high production rates cause a heavy flow of material through a passivating bath, it is probably best to maintain a definite schedule for replacing the bath to avoid a significant decrease in the 'passivating potential', which can result in corrosive attack of the work piece. You should also use a control sample of the same composition as the material to be passivated to test the bath. If the sample is attacked, it is time to change the bath before additional parts are passivated.
The temperature of the bath should be within the specified temperature range. A room temperature bath has a lower 'passivating potential' than a warm bath and is, therefore, more likely to cause local attack.
It is good practice to passivate only one grade of stainless steel at a time. Not only can mix-ups be prevented but you can avoid galvanic reactions.

Parts that were improperly heat-treated may lead to attack in a passivating bath. Furthermore, high-carbon, high-chromium grades must be hardened to render them corrosion resistant. Stainless steel parts that have been carburized or nitrided should never be passivated. These surface treatments lower the corrosion resistance of stainless steel, thus opening the way to attack in the passivating tank.

Rade Savija
Naval Air Warfare Center (NAVAIR) - Lakehurst, New Jersey USA


June 25, 2019

Q. Thanks Ray and Rade for your Comments. But the actual condition is we have processed 400 Nos of stainless steel (440C) Parts. After Processing, 250 Nos were found Ok, remaining 100 Nos got etched (black color) on both sides and remaining 50 nos got etched on one side but another side were found okay.
After that we discussed the root cause how it happened?
The Root cause are given below:
1)Material Composition were Checked
2)Material Weight were Checked
3)Bath Contamination were Checked
4)Concentration were Checked
5)Iron Content were Checked
6)temperature were Checked
Everything is within the limit. That's Why we are surprised what happened.
Can you please let me know solution for this.

Naveetha Sekar [returning]
Aerospace - Chennai,Tamilnadu,India


June 27, 2019

A. Hi Naveetha,

One of the most frustrating things about processing 440C steel is the apparent random appearance of etching, as you have observed, even within the same batch. I'm sure there is a PhD out there for someone who actually nails the root cause! However, as will see in this thread and numerous others on passivation of 440C, several potential causes are considered and solution to prevent it recurring are suggested.

Potential causes include (but is not restricted to) chrome carbide enrichment of the steel, which is then preferentially attacked by the acid, possible residual surface contamination, bath contamination, aged baths and probably many other reasons.

Suggested solutions include (but are not restricted to) strong alkaline cleaning prior to passivation, using only new passivation solutions or using citric acid based chemistry rather than nitric acid based solutions. Personally, I try to avoid passivation of 440C if I can, therefore removing the potential problem altogether.

Brian Terry
Aerospace - Yeovil, Somerset, UK



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