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Galvanizing buildup on MIG wire weld areas

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Q. We recently completed our first galvanized steel tube project. On our mitered corners we grind them flush or a number one finish. When we received the rail there was some buildup of zinc on the finished corners. The galvanizer told us it was due to the different content of silicon in the steel and the MIG wire. By lowering the silicon content of the wire it should alleviate the problem or most of the problem. Can someone please give me some input on this?

Thanks,

Mike Crow
fabricator - Pilot Point, Texas
June 30, 2008


A. The thickness of a galvanized coating is dependent on several factors. The steel chemistry (particularly Si and P) is one of them. It's very common for the area above a weld to be raised after galvanizing even when ground perfectly flush before galvanizing.

Modifying the weld filler (MIG wire if MIG welding, electrodes if stick welding) to a low Si content wire can alleviate this, but most people don't bother.

The raised portion is only the coating thickness. The steel underneath is unaffected. If you were to strip off the galv, (acid for example), then you'll find the steel just as it was after grinding flush.

An alternative to finding a low Silicon wire (not easy, though low Si welding rods are available), is to file the extra coating off. This might be practical if there's only a small quantity of material, or if only certain parts of the item are critical. Use a smooth file and file parallel to the coating surface until you have a smooth joint as it was prior to galvanizing.
If you have many items to do, this might not be a cost effective method.

Galvanizing kettles are made of very low Si steel, and are welded with very low Si rods. It's these types that will not produce this effect.

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Geoff Crowley
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Westfield, Scotland, UK
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Q. We are fabricating tapered RHS posts which require a welded joint down the middle. This joint is ground smooth after fabrication. When it is hot dip galvanised the joint raises quite considerably. This is a feature of the galvanising process as the weld will take up a lot more zinc. We need to powdercoat these afterwards and the now-visible welded seam is not aesthetically pleasing.

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We could grind down the welded joint after galvanising but we don't want to impair the galvanise protection. This problem was raised before on this forum and it was suggested that the silicon content of the wire causes this to happen and to get wire with low silicon. I'm not aware of availability of low silicon wire. Any thought on how you could overcome this problem?

Thomas McCormack
- Westmeath Ireland
March 1, 2024


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A. This problem is seen frequently by galvanizers everywhere.
It is not as a result of the steel changing during the galvanizing process, but the raised portion is actually a thicker coating over the weld.
The thickness of galvanizing varies with several factors, but the most influential is the chemistry of the steel.
When fabricators use a different chemistry of steel in the weld filler wire to the base material, often even a different grade of steel, this different thickness of coating results.
To avoid it there's really only one solution - change weld filler wire to match the base steel.
Faced with this problem and fabricators doing less critical work (not load bearing for example), I have often asked if they change wire when changing to weld a different grade of steel and got a blank look. "uh no, should I?" sort of reply. But why would you weld one grade of steel with a wire of another grade?
The galvanizer can do little to control the problem, but most actually do what they can. That is to micro alloy the zinc with Nickel. Running Nickel in the zinc, to about 0.05% Ni, will reduce but not eliminate the problem.
So when this is likely to be a problem, ask the galvanizer. "Do you have Nickel in your zinc? How much?".

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Geoff Crowley
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A. Thomas,
The first thing I would do is contact my welding goods supplier and ask about some low silicon wire, 0.05% Si. This wire is made to weld very low silicon steels and may simply invert the issue. Another option is looking at your welding process and see if it is worth it to you to change your process for it. I did see that you can get 0.30% Si wire, however, it was submerged arc welding wire.

Perhaps someone can confirm as to whether shaving off the excess galvanizing on the weld is likely to reduce the protection afforded. I would think it would not due to the fact you are shaving the coating down to the same thickness.

Andrew Speer
- Ballarat, Australia
March 4, 2024




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