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Problems with Color of Hardcoat Anodize



A discussion started in 1998 & continuing through 2017

(1998)

Q. Having a problem color matching hardcoat. Very tight range for color: must be a medium grey, and thickness of 0015"-0017". Current density is used, and we control the time. Are there many factors in the process: time, current density, bath makeup, racking? Parts are approx. 1 sq. ft. in area. Thank you, stan

stanley vilakis


(1998)

A. Stan,

It is a tough job.

What kind of material are the parts you want to anodize? Hard coatings on aluminum alloys usually have intrinsic colors, so they are generally dyed in black color. If you want a medium grey color, you need a clear hard coating using special process with proprietary additives. Although raising temperature might help a little bit, it will reduce hardness and could cause burning problem, especially for 2000 series and 7000 series.

Ling

Ling Hao
- Grand Rapids, Michigan


(1998)

A. The factors you mention are important and along with tank temperature, part temperature, and agitation are all inter-dependent. Note the term part temperature. Agitation must be uniform throughout the tank to maintain the parts at the same temperature. This is especially true if you are using high current density, e. g. 36 asf. Hopefully your ramp up is automatic.

You didn't mention the alloy but there is one factor you may or may not have any control over: alloying elements affect color, and the content of the alloying elements of a particular alloy can vary quite a bit. For example, the silicon content of 6061 is listed as 0.4-0.8%. Silicon is one element responsible for turning hardcoat grey. We could also talk about the importance of consistent temper, but you get the idea.

Those of us who have been involved in color anodizing for many years learned very early to establish not one color standard, but two- an acceptable light and an acceptable dark standard. AAMA has established this as standard practice in their specifications. Considering all the variables you need to control, and the likelihood for color variation, you may need to establish this practice.

phil johnson

Phil Johnson
- Madison Heights, Michigan



Effects on the color of hard coating

(2002)

Q. I am working on a project that incorporates both Teflon impregnated hard coated components as well as regular clear coat anodized. Esthetics are very important for this project and we are hoping to find a way to get the hard coated piece to have a color as similar as possible to the clear anodized parts. All the parts are 6061-T6. What can we do to affect the color of, specifically to lighten, the hard coat.

When we had samples of the hard coat done they were, unbeknownst to us, a 50 series aluminum and it was very similar in appearance to the clear coat. We were shocked when we got our initial order in and the hard coat pieces were dark grey; 6061-T6. Was the alloy the only reason? How light can we get the color on 6061 if we do a very thin hard coat?

Thanks,

Dugan O'Keene
- Melrose Park, Illinois, USA


(2002)

A. One of the hardcoat anodize processes we do here produces only a slight, if any, color change on 6061. The thinner the coating, the less the color change.

David A. Kraft
- Long Island City, New York



(2004)

Q. We have a continuing job that requires 7075 Aluminum rod to be centerless ground then clear hardcoat anodize and then centerless ground again removing some of the hardcoat. The color of the finished parts continue to vary from navy green to gray to grayish brown, some with stains. We use the same ISO vendors and order the stock from the same company each time. All processes have been verified to be done the same each time. Why does the color continue to vary?

Lucy Hatch
job shop - Beverly, Massachusetts


(2004)

A. Why does a clear coating have any color at all?

Chris Jurey, Past-President IHAA
Luke Engineering & Mfg. Co. Inc.
supporting advertiser
Wadsworth, Ohio

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(2004)

A. Lucy,

One possible problem is that not all 7075 is created equal. Each lot probably has some variances (allowable) in the alloying constituents (I've griped about the inconsistency of American-made AL in this forum before). Unless all of your 7075 came from the same LOT (not vendor), some variances will probably continue to occur. Have you thought about having these parts dyed black? That way, at least all of your parts will be consistent. Other possibilities include varying current densities, anodizing bath temperatures, or different methods of sealing. All of these have a bearing on the final appearance of the coating.

If you did a search on type 7075 on this site, you will note that its not the easiest of alloys to anodize, it can be quite tricky.

Marc Green
Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho


(2004)

A. Hard coat color will vary with very minor differences in alloy, temperature, current density (How accurate is the anodizers surface area measurement? I have a 1956 paper which has the very best gimmick for always getting the same current density), dissolved aluminum, rack contacts, time, thickness, and on and on. Tighten up all parameters.

robert probert
Robert H Probert
Robert H Probert Technical Services
supporting advertiser
Garner, North Carolina

Editor's note: Mr. Probert is the author of Aluminum How-To / Aluminio El Como




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What is the natural colour of 7075 Aluminium Hardcoat

(2006)

Q. Hi
Can any one tell me What is the natural colour of 7075 Aluminium Hardcoat HAIII

... also ...

Does anyone know which Al-Alloy would produce a Dark Grey-With Slightly Green Hue HAIII if it is not 7075?

Thanks,

Peter Wainwright
flashlights - Bath, Somerset, UK


(2006)

A. 7075 after hardcoating is a gold to a milky gold green.

All color after hardcoating is 100% dependent on alloying materials.

6061-T6 will give you gray color.

Chris Snyder
plater - Charlotte, North Carolina



March 12, 2008

Q. We use Hardcoat Anodize on many of our commercial products for its wear and hardness characteristics. We often substitute hard coated aluminum for steel as bearing surfaces. Typically these are pneumatic grippers. We coat typically .010 - .012" ^.0010 -.0012" and often use teflon.

Our problem is the color is difficult to control. We use several different flavors of aluminum for a base material. The different alloys and the fact some parts like piston caps are very thin and very little surface area, etc. etc. means that one part may come out green and another gold. We also have issues with the same part from two batches not quite matching. The result is when all the parts are put together you get several shades ranging from almost gray up to gold. The product looks like junk.

We considered adding dye to the hardcoat but our hardcoater said it would reduce the life of our product by 30%. Not sure how he'd know that without testing our parts is there any issues with adding color to hardcoat?

Can I still use teflon?
Will it reduce wear resistance?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

Scott Ames
design engineer for OEM - Monroe, Connecticut, USA


March 14, 2008

A. Your anodizer is giving you worst case, but it is well established that dye and seal will reduce the hardness and the wear resistance of hard coat. I question your stated thickness of the hardcoat. Anything over 0.003 per side is questionable or requires extremely high voltage. Do a search of this site for hard anodizing and hardcoat. It will be educational.
Teflon will reduce the wear on other parts, but it will wear over time when compared to the hardcoat.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida


March 15, 2008

A. Scott

If you hard anodize parts from different heat lots of material, different 'colors' will be a possibility. Dyeing the parts black should ensure you get uniform color.

To determine if the dyeing steps will degrade the quality of your product, runs tests on both dyed and non-dyed parts, that simulates the conditions for which the hard anodize is required, be it wear resistance, hardness, or adhesion for your coatings.

Your hardcoater may be sealing the dyed hard anodize, which will soften the coating but help prevent fading of the color/dye.

Willie Alexander
- Colorado Springs, Colorado


March 17, 2008

thumbs up signThanks. You're right to question my thickness. Typo on my part. Need to shift the decimal point. It was 0.0010 - .0012" thickness.

Scott Ames [returning]
- Monroe, Connecticut, USA



Color of 50 micron thick anodising

June 29, 2014 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. Hi,

I'm looking for some help on a 50 micron thick anodise. We have carried this out but our customer has commented that the anodise color seems too light and therefore can not be at the 50 micron thickness. This is on aluminium by the way

They have said "If the hard anodising is done to 50 micron depth, it will be black or near black without any colouring. You can tell easily because the finish tends to be slightly glossier than if black dye is used. I understand it is often a cryogenic process".

Is this true that, regardless of the anodise coloring, if you use a 50 micron thickness anodise it will be close to black in color?

Appreciate the help in advance

Thanks

Russ Harrison
- UK


June 30, 2014

A. The color of 50 micron (0.002 inch) thick hard coat anodizing can vary in color as functions of alloy, anodizing temperature, free acid, dissolved aluminum, current density, additive,heat treatment, work hardening, and other causes. 6061 would be dark gray, 2000's would be darker almost black at 180 gm/L, 32 °F, 24 ASF. Both alloys would be lighter in shade with higher free acid, higher temp, and other causes. Change any variable and the color shade changes but the generally accepted industry definition of "hard coat" does not require a color requirement. If he wants a color, then charge extra and be sure his alloy and heat treatment does not change and your parameters do not change.

robert probert
Robert H Probert
Robert H Probert Technical Services
Garner, North Carolina



June 14, 2017

Q. Dear Team,

here we did hard anodizing for Cookwares, finish colour is dark grey. Actually issue was we faced colour variation in same piece. Some places are whitish grey and some places are Dark grey? We analyze it but we can't find out the reasons. Thickness of whitish grey area is higher than Dark grey? Is it possible? The Base material is 3003 O temper. I want to know that colour variation of same piece (Whitish grey to Dark grey) is possible? Kindly give me the clear information and ideas!

chandhuru mookandi
Plant Incharge-Hard Anodizing - bangalore,India



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