Summary for bright dip problems Discussion
Bright dip problems in this thread center on stains or etching that appear before bright dipping, plus nitric oxide fumes and accelerated tarnish during a sulfuric/nitric/hydrochloric bright dip on copper-nickel and nickel-copper alloys. Alfredo F. Garza suspected stamping oil as the source of the pre-etching and asked what oil might avoid the defect. Jonathan Maneval later described safety and tarnish problems from NO gas and asked whether acid concentrations should be reduced. Varun Bhalla suggested avoiding acid bright dipping altogether and instead using a cleaning/acid sequence: soak clean, rinse, 5% sulfuric acid, rinse, a 2-10 minute dip in 10% BC-20 plus 10% hydrogen peroxide, rinse, then 1% sulfuric acid and rinse. Tom Pullizzi added that red stains may come from cupric oxide, iron contamination in the pickle, or immersion of copper, and advised degreasing before bright dipping, neutralizing in soap after bright dipping, adjusting time/temperature/concentration, and using effective hoods for NO control.
Q. I’m currently experiencing on our Bright Dip process, an etching or stain mark prior to the bright dip process. We have narrowed the possibilities to the stamping oil that is being used that creates an etching. Is there something that you will recommend me to suggest my customer in regards to the type of oil that he could use to avoid this etching which it is not accepted by my customer?
Thanks,
Alfredo F. Garza
– BROWNSVILLE,Texas
1998
We are attempting a new cleaning process in our acid cleaning area. The materials are copper nickel and nickel copper alloys. We used the ASM recommendation for bright dipping but are having some safety issues with the nitric oxide gas that is being given off after the material is immersed in the bath. Also, we find that if the nitric oxide gas is produced, it causes an accelerated tarnish of the material which negates the reason for bright dipping the material. Is there any suggestions as to what can be done to calm the reaction or if we should back off on the acid concentrations. The bright dip mix is sulfuric/nitric/hydrochloric.
Jonathan Maneval
– Mt. Carmel, Penna.
2000
2000
Dear Jonathan, You can certainly avoid the use of acids for bright dipping,instead of it you can use this SEQUENCE
1. Soak Cleaning
2. Water Rinse
3. 5%sulfuric Acid
4. Water Rinse
5. 2-10 min dip in solution of 10% BC-20 +10% Hydrogen Peroxide
6. Water Rinse
7. Dip in 1% sulfuric Acid
8. Water Rinse
Varun Bhalla
– Delhi,Delhi(INDIA)
2000
Defects from pickling are: red stain which may be caused by cupric oxide which may be removed by bichromate or ferric sulphate pickle. Red stains can come from immersion of copper caused by the presence of iron in the pickle. Have you contaminated your bath with iron? Degrease your parts before bright dipping. Dip parts in soap to neutralize after bright dipping. Vary time, temperature, and concentration for your particular alloy. The NO must be handled by very effective hoods. See
www.finishing.com/consultants/ for design help.
Tom Pullizzi
Falls Township, Pennsylvania
2006
Hello Varun
What do you mean BC?
And this sequence is for bright normal steel
Nabil Salama Zaki Meakeal
– 10th ramadan, Egypt