Surface finish Ra and Rz
A discussion started in 2007 but continuing through 2019
Q. We are regularly machining Cylinder Heads & Blocks. For Head contact face in case of Block and block contact face in case of head specifies surface finish of 15 Rz. After finish milling when we check for Rz it is between 15 to 20 Rz. But if we check Ra it is within 1 µRa. Can you please explain the difference between Ra & Rz measurements and in which specific application Rz is more important?
Thanks & Regards,
automobile manufacturer - Pune, Maharashtra, India
A. Ra vs Rz is like comparing inches to meters. They are not compatible. Use one or the other not both.
March 31, 2009
A. Ra and Rz are different parameters of roughness.
- pune, maharashtra, India
December 21, 2010
Q. I am a production engineer in my concern,
Pleasw give the explanation about the following symbols
Above finish is required in a hole dia. 12.5 H7.
Please explain briefly with figures.
- pundhucherry, india
June 24, 2015
A. Rz is the sum of maximum peak and maximum valley of a profile, while Rmax is only the value of maximum peak of the profile.Karthik Muniappan
Quality engineer - Chennai,Tamil nadu,India
August 19, 2019
Q. Hi! This is Vladimir Ramirez R&D Engineer, on the output shaft drawings appear the next roughness parameters:
symbol used: Material removal by machining required
RHSC (8) 5/cm
This information came on the hole diameter of 3.5 mm with Tol: -0.013mm / -0.025 mm depth of 11 mm
I need to know what this means to explain it to my supplier and customer too.
Nidec - Juarez City, Chihuahua, Mexico
RHSC = "The high spot count is the number of complete profile peaks (within the evaluation length) projecting above the mean line, or above a line parallel with the mean line. This line can be set at a selected depth below the highest peak or a selected distance above or below the mean line."
A. Hi Vladimir. You probably know as well as I do that the #1 problem in business is miscommunication. For readers who are not looking at the drawing and any additional clarifying notes and contextual information, to explain to you, who isn't familiar with this terminology, what the designer actually wants, so that you can explain it to others who don't know what it means either sounds like a problem. These surface finishing specifications are quite complex, and they are frankly impenetrable with less that a couple of hours of study :-(
Rather than trying to simplify, which probably can't be done, please just point your supplier and your customer -- who presumably both have copies of the drawing -- to some surface metrology documents such as:
Luck and Regards,
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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