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Passivation of abrasive blasted stainless steel





Q. Dear Sir,

I'm a first time visitor to your forum. I don't have a comment. However, I do have a question.

I have Stainless Steel 304 Diamond Tread Deck Plates that were inadvertently abrasive blasted with steel grit. Deck plates are flash rusting. Can deck plates be passivated?

I work in a marine environment aboard ship. SS 304 deck plates were temporarily removed from a machinery space and taken to a shop for cleaning. Once at the shop they were inadvertently abrasively blasted. Cleaning was interpreted as abrasive blasting (shop is heavy into painting and abrasive blasting). Deck plates are flash rusting. Painting the deck plates was considered, it was short lived though, due to potential slip hazard. I know only what I have learned in this forum about passivation.

Any spec of light on this issue is welcomed and greatly appreciated. I enjoyed the short visit to your forum and I have added it to my favorites for future visits.

Ramon Jauregui
- San Diego, California USA
2002



2002

A. Yup, your guys screwed up but I guess you already know that.

Any standard passivation procedure will work for you.

Soak 'em in 10% nitric acid solution for half an hour at 70 degrees or higher and you should be alright.

You could also use citric acid if you have a disposal problem.

See ASTM A967 for full details or search this website for passivation. There is lots of information here.

For the heavy contamination that you have I would prefer to use nitric. It seems to work a little better than citric in this particular circumstance. If you find that you still get some rusting after the passivation procedure it is because of the amount of iron that has been driven into the surface of your diamond plate by the blasting procedure. How deep it has been driven depends on the air pressure used and the state of the blasting material. Have faith and re-passivate. It will clear it all given a little patience.

Good luck,

John Holroyd
- Elkhorn, Wisconsin


A. Ramon:

Yes, you can easily get your deck plates passivated. A local jobshop should be able to handle the job.

Dan Weaver
- Toccoa, Georgia
2002



2002

A. Ramon:

You will find that the correct citric acid based formulas will give you faster and better removal of the rust than the nitric solutions.

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Passivation vs. bead blast

Q. My company designs and builds equipment, mainly for the food industry. We have the capabilities to glass-bead-blast our stainless parts for a great finish that our customers our very happy with. However, a customer has inquired into passivation, and if the glass-bead-blast technique achieves the same result. I can see the similarities, but do not have the background to know -- and explain -- for sure.

Any help on this would be appreciated!

Pete Najar
design engineer - Dallas, Texas
2004


A. If anything, I would think the blast would remove oxides and activate the surface. Anyway, we passivate stainless with a solution of 40-60% nitric acid. 30 min dip.

Mary Cera
- Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
2004




Multiple threads merged: please forgive chronology errors and repetition  🙂



Passivation of sandblasted stainless steel handrails

1999

Q. I am reviewing a specification for ornamental handrails.

Can anyone clarify if sandblasted stainless steel requires re-passivation. Also after field welding, does it require local passivation?

What are the different methods of sandblasting? I understand that glass beads are used, as well as sand. Same substance; different form? It purity of the sand an issue?

Finally, is there any recommended polish/sealer/cleaning fluids?

Thanks in advance,

Ross

E Ross Asselstine
Lend Lease - San Francisco, California


A. Dear Ross,

Yes, after you work stainless steel in any way , the "Passivation" must be renewed, as the New Olympic Swimming Stadium in Sydney will tell you. There are several supposed treatments but the only constantly reliable one (in my opinion) is ELECTROPOLISHING and this can be achieved by "Brush electropolishing" on site or by contracting the work out .

Regards

John Tenison-Woods
John Tenison - Woods
- Victoria Australia
1999


A. Dear Ross: After sandblasting or bead blasting it is necessary to re-passivate the metal. For a bright finish and superior corrosion resistance electropolishing is the answer. If the handrails are electropolished first, and then welded on-site, the weldments should also be passivated. It is generally more economical to passivate on-site than to electropolish.

Sincerely,

Mary Wilk
- Goleta, California
1999




Is re-passivation necessary after blasting?

Q. Hi Everyone,

My question is simple, well maybe not so simple. Can you bead blast after passivating? We have two pieces that are bead blasted then passivated. Then the two pieces are tact welded, but we then want to get a uniform finish. The problem is that by tact welding we are forming crevices that the passivating chemicals seem to be getting trapped causing problems, so if we bead blast after the tact welding we cannot passivate, at least not easily. Is this a big problem?

Micheline Forth
metal finishing company - Rincon, Georgia, USA
2007


A. If certifying the passivation, you must passivate after the bead blasting. Alternating hot and cold water rinses help draw out trapped passivation solution from behind tack welds. Pressurized spray rinsing also helps. The final rinse should be hot DI water. Test the adequacy of the rinsing by wicking out residue from the crevices with pH paper.

Ken Vlach [deceased]
- Goleta, California

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2007


A. Yes, you must passivate after blasting. If you are using nitric acid to passivate it certainly would be a problem to have that trapped in crevices. citric acid based passivation would make this less of a concern.

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2007




Can we substitute blasting for passivation of stainless steel?

Q. I have a spec that calls for passivating per ASTM A967 and pickling per ASTM A380 . The 304 SST we receive will be pickled from the mill. Am I able to blast the completed product in and still meet the passivating part of the spec. I know there is much more detail needed, but my general questions is, can blasting 304 SST provide the same result as passivating per ASTM A967?

Sam S [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
Designer - Baltimore, Maryland
March 14, 2014


A. Hi Sam. As you see, we appended your inquiry to an earlier thread on similar subjects, and the answer is, no, blasting is not a substitute for passivation. Good luck.

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A. Any time you modify stainless by blasting, grinding, welding, etc., it needs to be re-passivated to get proper corrosion protection. For large parts a big pickling bath works best. For small local areas electrochemical cleaning systems work awesome. If you're doing a small job with local cleaning you might be able to get a demo model from a local dealer.

Jason Eickhoff
- Lincoln Nebraska USA
January 28, 2015




Remedial action if ss material blasted with steel shot

Q. Please give us your recommendations about if ss material is blasted with steel shot. It needs pickling passivation OR just water washing then sweep blasting with garnet and then painting. Awaiting your kind response in this regards.

Muhammad Ashfaq
Painting Inspetor - Saudi Arabia
December 20, 2016



A. Muhammad,
In theory, a stainless surface that has been contaminated with iron needs to be passivated, probably for a longer time than the standards typically suggest.

However, contamination from blasting with steel shot is extra bad, due to the contamination being beat deep into the surface. As such, a heavy dose of pickling (or nitric acid passivation) may be the best remediation. Non-ferrous blasting followed by passivation may be viable also, though it is possible that the blasting may drive the contamination further into the surface rather than removing it.

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Ray Kremer
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McHenry, Illinois
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January 2, 2017


A. I think the easiest way to fix the problem is to re-blast with a 70 grit crushed glass to remove all the iron contamination and then glass bead blast if you want it to be a smoother and shinier surface.

H Stroh
Heavy metal fabrication - Troutdale, Oregon, USA
October 18, 2018




Passivation Required between Grit Blasting and Paint Finishing?

Q. Another thread addresses blasting for uniformity of surface appearance followed by passivation. My question concerns blasting which is being done as a pre-treatment for the application of primers, paints, or dry/solid film lubricant coatings.

Blasting does a few things - removes contamination, puts a uniform, frosty finish on the part, but it also exposes fresh metal - "activating" the surface for follow-on brush plating, DFL/SFL or prime/paint coating. The question is, "Is passivation needed/required after that blast operation for parts getting coated within several hours to a few days?

Most of the drawings I see direct, in order, passivation, blast, coating application. That seems stupid to me because blasting destroys passivation. I have typically done blast, passivate, and then coat, but since passivation destroys the "active" surface, I wonder if that will compromise coating adhesion. I do know that some coatings are actually designed to work/interact with an active metal surface.

Experience and thoughts appreciated!

Mike Palatas
Executive management - Gardena, California, USA
May 2, 2017


A. Hi Mike,

I think, like you say, the correct form is blasting, passivating, and then priming or direct painting.

Blasting exposes the inner side of the metal, and it is, as you say, "active". You then, inactivate it with passivation. Passivating makes a chrome oxide to appear between the inner part and the air, this chrome oxide has good properties like anchoring the paints or primers and giving the material good corrosion resistance.

You BLAST to get ride of scales, rust, etc., OR to get an uniform, rough surface. This rough surface makes paint to get more thickness, and to improve adhesion.

The only way I can think you would be getting some disadvantages passivating the surface prior to painting, is electrostatic paint. Chrome oxide is an insulator, and you may get less thickness passivating prior to paint. But, my recommendation, if you passivate-blast-paint, do not wait more than a few hours between blast and paint. And I think passivating is not necessary that way.

Hope you don't get more confused after this! Regards,

Daniel Montañés
TEL - N FERRARIS - Cañuelas, Buenos Aires, Argentina
May 3, 2017



May 8, 2017

A. Mike,
It seems to depend on the coating. I think for most things, the surface texture matters far more than whether or not the surface was passivated after blasting. For some coatings it may work better with passivation, or without passivation, or with an activation (e.g. nickel strike) treatment.

The only conceivable argument to passivating before blasting is if there's a terrible amount of iron contamination on the surface and there's a concern that the blasting will drive some of it deeper into the surface rather than removing it. You would still want to passivate after blasting also, though.

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May 24, 2017

A. Hi Mike,

As has been posted, it depends on the desired results. I see passivate called out all the time prior to post surface treatments which would destroy the "passive" surface. In many cases engineers have called out for this as a precleaning more than anything else. They know the grit blasting will roughen up the surface to allow for better grip of the primer into the roughness of the surface.

jim conner
Jim Conner
Mabank, Texas USA


A. I've Worked in architectural metals for the last 20 years. We discovered some years ago that different types of wire wheel brushes, contaminated Scotch-Brite and sanding discs would embed carbon into the stainless steel.

Also, not sure if already mentioned but T304 does rust, and is magnetic. We use T316L stainless for applications prone to corrosion. The bead blasted surface will still provide an ideal "substrate" for rust, etc.

Brian young
Architectural Metals - San Diego, California USA
December 22, 2017


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