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Rhodium refining


A discussion started in 2005 but continuing through 2020

2005

Q. Dear Sir,
I have collected a container of used rhodium plating solution about 21 liters and l want to use it again, what will I do?

Thanks,

Angelito R. Dazo
plating Shop - Phillippines


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2005

A. Hi, Angelito. I assume you believe that there is still some rhodium left in this plating solution that you want to use again, so it has intrinsic metal value -- but that it is now either too weak or too contaminated for successful use as a plating bath?

Unfortunately, it is not trivial to purify and then rebuild a precious metal plating solution, and 21 liters is a large amount. You haven't told us yet what you believe is wrong with the solution, nor what knowledge you possess and what equipment & instrumentation is available. Personally, I think you should contact a rhodium plating solution supplier and see if you can simply trade in the 21 liters of weak and used plating solution for a smaller quantity of fresh and properly purified solution. But good luck.

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Ted Mooney, P.E.
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live Aloha


2005

A. Your letter title is rhodium refining.

I guess, you just want to recover the rhodium metal from the spent solution?

To give you an idea, this is how I used to do it.

1. From the color of the solution I make a judgement whether it's rich in rhodium or not.

2. I use zinc powder in small increments to precipitate the metal, constantly agitating the solution. Without instrumentation you have to make a judgement when enough zinc powder is added through color changes.

3. Decant the spent solution, filter the precipitate, wash until neutral to pH paper.

4. Transfer precipitate to another container, dissolve excess zinc with 10% sulfuric acid. You may do this several times with hot solution.

If you want to make rhodium sulfate, this is the fun part: then you have to use molten salts.

Good luck,

H. Solidum
- Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA



May 20, 2008

Q. AND THEN AFTER PUTTING THE PRECIPITATE IN SULPHURIC ACID, IS THE PRECIPITATE WE GET RHODIUM IN PURE FORM? HOW TO PURIFY THE PRECIPITATE?
PARESH DOSHI
- MUMBAI, MAHARASHTRA, INDIA


April 4, 2011

Q. hi sir,
I'm prateek luthra from India (delhi). I have a query that I have a batch of 10 grams of rhodium which is in the black powder form, which is precipitated by the zinc powder as you further told above. Now the problem occurs when I mix the rhodium with potassium bi-sulphate & sodium chloride. It's only half rhodium and it also contains other particles like iron, lead and zinc. Now what would be the next part of making rhodium pure? Can anyone help me?
Regards,

PRATEEK LUTHRA
STUDENT - INDIA (DELHI)


April 7, 2011

Q. hi sir,
This is prateek from india I have solution of rhodium which is diluted with potasium bi-sulfate and sodium chloride in HCl and water. How can I precipitate only the rhodium metal which I can use to make rhodium sulphate?
regards, Regards,

PRATEEK LUTHRA [returning]
STUDENT - INDIA (DELHI)



June 5, 2008

Q. How to refine and re-use rhodium bath please suggest me I will wait for your reply.

Samrath Sojitra
jewellery - Mumbai, Maharastra, India



sidebar June 16, 2008

Q. Dear Sir/Madam,
I am Mr. Mitesh From India (Mumbai), I just want to know what's the exact procedure for recovery of rhodium from spent solution with good purity.
Thanking You,
Yours Faithfully

MITESH SHAH
HOBBYIST - INDIA


June 17, 2008

thumbs up sign Hi, Mitesh. You've asked the same question that H Solidum already answered for us with significant detail. Could you please try to recast your question by asking for clarification on any step in his procedure that is confusing you? Thanks.

Regards,

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finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live Aloha



November 9, 2008

Q. Dear Sir:
I would like to know what metal was this blood red color precipitate that I was able to process this afternoon? Because when I smelted it goes directly inside the Crucible penetrating almost half, unlike the black precipitate that just stays above with the borax. And what is also this Black precipitate that turned into Silver Gray Metal but not shiny in appearance?
Sir, can you please give me a step by step procedure in the recovery of PGM thru Iodine or any other cheaper chemicals until its refining?
Thank you very much for your time!

Respectfully Yours,

Franklin H. Pag-Ong
silver gray ore mines - Tagbilaran city, Philippines



February 22, 2013

Q. Dear sir,

Please tell me how can I increase the reaction rate for sulfonation of rhodium? Meaning, what type of catalyst should I use to decrease the condensation time? Awaiting for your hopeful reply.

Regards,

Hardik Rank
- Surat, Gujarat, India



December 7, 2014

Q. Hello,
I want to refine the precious metals from super alloys.
I have complete know-how about refining the precious metals, but the problem is that in this job there is so much Nickel in the base metal.

Ibrahim ibrahim
- Dubai , UAE


Dear Readers: Consultants are NOT standing by to offer free expert assistance :-)
This is a mutual help public forum where those who want help must give it as well. Many readers are saying they know about the subject and just have a remaining small question or two ... and then they ask questions while not helping with the many open questions. It won't work this way :-(

Regards,

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How to Refine Rhodium and Separate from Gold

November 20, 2016

Q. Hi, greetings to you all.
My problem is that I have some gold which has some rhodium. How can I isolate the rhodium from the gold.

ali sadeghi
- ISFAHAN, IRAN



May 24, 2019

Q. I took a litre of Spent Rhodium solution for refining. I added Caustic to Make pH neutral and then I kept for settling .After settling I removed Clean solution And filtered PPT through bag. After ppt I received red-ish Powder. If I have to make pure rhodium solution what will be my final part to do. To dissolve with which chemicals? Please suggest me.

wasim kazi
HKE pvt ltd - Mumbai Maharshtra India



Washing PGM salts before refining

January 10, 2020

Q. I have small amount (oz?) of experimental black mixed PGM salts, which are more in a cake form rather than powder. What is the best way to further wash these, and should this then be sent to a refinery or should I first find someone who knows how to separate these from each other? Both gold and silver were first dropped from solution prior to PGM's but there may still be very minor residues remaining, along with unknown amounts of PGM's hopefully PD, PT, Rh, etc.

These are from around 6-8 small lab chemical leach tests pertaining to test ores I own, from several regions and have been just sitting around for many months but I would like to try to find out if they have commercial value, and if so, I can then produce more of them according to lots of work and a combination of proprietary procedures. I was thinking of washing them again in muriatic acid followed by distilled water, and then again drying them. Should I rather use dilute sulfuric acid instead?

Any help from people here who might have more experience in washing such salts is greatly appreciated, and if this all then ends up successful, I have no problems relaying most of the specifics on this site, but for now I want to make absolute certain this all actually worked and there is a salable product. Due to the variety of remaining metals, stannous chloride tests all come out very dark. My goal is to end up with either a turn-key "green" process start to finish, or at least a "green" process that will get me closer to the refinery with salable, profitable end product that they can then refine.

ALLAIN CAT REINER
Jack of all Trades sort - PIEDMONT, South Dakota, USA


January 2020

thumbsdown Sorry, readers, but endless lists of unanswered questions simply waste everyone's time. As this thread started to degenerate, we implored the posters to try to answer someone else's questions as they posted their own ... but it didn't work :-(

We'll be happy to post any answers offered but, until then, all further questions on this subject must be discarded. Apologies!

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Aloha -- an idea worth spreading


February 4, 2020

A. Hi Ted
The reason why there is no answer to the question ...How can I ? is because the honest answer is that the questioner probably cannot do it.
The big lesson is never to start a chemical process without full knowledge of the reactions which the questioners evidently do not have.
Most of them have made an expensive mistake and will hopefully learn from the experience.
The only practical advice is to send their mixed materials to a professional refining lab. But be warned, their charges may well exceed the value of any metals recovered.

geoff smith
Geoff Smith
Hampshire, England


February 2020

A. Thanks Geoff, I understand. Every once in a while a thread degenerates into a very long list of unanswered questions, and it seems silly to endlessly continue the pattern of unanswered questions. Yes, unreasonable expectations often lie behind such strings of questions.

Regards,

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