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Passivating SS Pipe

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A discussion started in 2005 & continuing through 2017

(2005)

Q. My Name is Frank Jaloma. I'm the program manager for a Midwest consulting company.

My question involves a firm that will be producing a nutritional ingredient for baby formula. As you read this, new SS tanks and piping is being installed. There is some question regarding the length of time it will take to passivate the SS piping through the plant. The grade of SS is: 316L primary and 304 secondary.

There's an excessive passivation estimate around that states 3 days to passivate our pipes. This would destroy several if not all Sumdmo (sp) valves. This alone would take about 2-3 months to do.

Based on the type of SS mentioned above, where can I locate an estimate on how long it will take to passivate our SS piping?

Thank you,

Frank Jaloma
Plant Program Manager - Carmel, Indiana


(2005)

A. Contact time for the passivation solution should be hours, not days, but if there's a lot of piping, several days of site work could be involved. I'm not familiar with the valves you mention, but if they cannot withstand any passivation solution (including citric acid, the mildest), the usual practice is to remove them, install SS spools in their place during passivation while they are cleaned by some other method. This sort of work is done routinely, and the firm which is doing the passivation should know how to deal with it.

jeffrey holmes
Jeffrey Holmes, CEF
Spartanburg,
      South Carolina



(2005)

A. This can easily and safely be done with proprietary citric acid formulations. Normal cycles for new equipment are a maximum of one hour, but it depends mostly on the cleaning, rinsing and drying cycles, which will bring the entire cycle up to a few hours at least.

If you need help, we can refer you to excellent contractors who can do this for you or give you directions on how to do it.

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Lee Kremer
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(2005)

A. Frank,

I would simply refer you to ASTM Specification ASTM A967 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet] . In addition, ASTM ASTM A380 [link is to the practice at TechStreet] will provide some valuable guidelines. I will echo the previous responses and recommend that any process controls, sensitive valves, or other critical equipment be removed from the system before passivation. I will often have a customer ask "how long" the passivation process takes. While the chemical circulations may only require a few hours in total, prepping the system, circulation equipment setup, and dry time will add considerably to the overall schedule. Hope that helps.

Joseph Lockrem
- Indianapolis, Indiana


February 4, 2010

Q. Good afternoon!

I would like to ask the process of passivation on stainless steel pipes using nitric acid, and the method used to test if passivation is okay.

Thanks a lot!

Maricel

Maricel Campo
QA - Philippines


February 4, 2010

A. Hi, Maricel. Joseph Lockrem answered your question. Please follow the links he offered and you will see these tests for whether the passivation is okay:

Good luck and Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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June 28, 2017 -- this entry appended to this thread by editor in lieu of spawning a duplicative thread

Q. How to do Passivation for SS316 pipe lines laid?

ASHOK KUMAR
Employee - HYDERABAD, TELANGNA & INDIA


June 2017

A. Hi Ashok. You just Google for a firm which offers "on-site passivation"; there are at least four or five well-known international firms as well as local services ... or were you looking for the name of a book? Good luck.

Regards,

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June 29, 2017

Q. Dear Sir,

Thanks for your suggestions.

I require the passivation process step by step for already-laid SS316 pipe lines.

Ashok Kumar [returning]
- Hyderabad, Telangana and India


June 30, 2017

A. Good luck getting a detailed answer to that, Ashok.

The people Who know the exact details of on site passivation have spent hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars learning the details and fine points.

They're not going to give you, gratis, that which they have invested in.

You can hire people who know to do it for you, or you can invest your own time and money to learn.

jeffrey holmes
Jeffrey Holmes, CEF
Spartanburg,
      South Carolina



July 6, 2017

A. Ashok,
When passivating the outside of a pipe system, a paste or gel type passivation product is typically used.

When passivating the inside of a pipe system, mix up a passivation acid solution that meets one of the industry standards and flush it through the system using a time and temperature that meets or exceeds the standard.

Both methods followed by water rinsing and drying, of course.

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Ray Kremer
Stellar Solutions, Inc.
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McHenry, Illinois
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