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How do Copper Pennies Kill Bacteria?




Q. Hi,

I am doing a science project.My title is 'Can one penny make your roses last longer'? Supposedly the COPPER in the penny kills the bacteria in the water which the roses lay in. So my main question is what does copper have in it that it kills bacteria. Or what does copper have in it just in general? Please help me out on this one!

Faiza J. [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
student - Portage, Indiana, United States
2005


A. Copper has only copper in it, Faiza. Copper is one of the about 92 'elements' that cannot be subdivided into something else. Some metals like copper and silver and cadmium are unnatural environments for some life forms and will kill them.

I do know that copper is used to kill plant roots in old pipes and to kill algae blooms in ponds and lakes. But I don't know whether putting a single penny in your rose water will actually do anything; you'll have to try it. Good luck!

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
2005


A. Copper salts are used by the wine growing industry to reduce the effects of fungus on the leaves and grapes. The mixture is called "Bordeaux Mix". I have not heard of copper being a bactericide, but it certainly does treat some fungal infections. As I understand it, the copper is toxic to the fungus and kills it off, like poisons such as strychnine or arsenic kill people and animals.

Take Ted's advice and do the experiment, but make sure you also use a control rose that doesn't get the copper treatment. Its Valentine's Day soon, so perhaps your favourite partner will buy you a bunch of roses to try out!

trevor crichton
Trevor Crichton
R&D practical scientist
Chesham, Bucks, UK
2005


A. You might try looking at the copper nails or copper banding techniques used to stop trees growing for how the copper sulphate [on eBay or Amazon]plays a part.

Richard Graham
- Guisborough, UK
2005



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A. Although this still doesn't answer your question about HOW copper exerts its bactericidal effects, I just remembered a book I once reviewed by a man named Estes (in Boston, I believe) who wrote a book about Ancient Egyptian Medicine.

In the book, he describes copper-based preparations that were prescribed to help heal wounds. If I remember correctly, copper was a fairly common ingredient in their medicines. On the other hand, so was animal dung!

My review appeared in an issue of Omni magazine in 1989 or 1990, if you want a better starting point than this post.

Good Luck!

Jim Hogshire
writer - Seattle, Washington, USA
2005



2005

A. Hi Faisa,

Well,you sure got a lot of replies to your question. Good replies, too.

Trevor's reply indicates a very intimate knowledge of the wine industry. Um! Lucky guy, eh?

Jim's assertion that animal dung is a good medicinal remedy which raises the point of human dung being perhaps even better, or ?

If you keep any fish, maybe you should not use copper piping as with hatchlings, ie. tiny fish, it was found out that copper would cause them to die ... the answer being in using PVC.

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A. I've never heard of using copper to kill bacteria, but silver is used quite commonly. There are many high-end antibacterials being made with tiny particles of silver. To top that, Band-Aid is making band-aids with woven silver instead of normal cloth band-aid material. It has something to do with silver interfering with the life-cycle of bacteria, preventing their reproduction. Note that it's actually solid elemental silver, not silver ions. Silver ions readily bind themselves to DNA molecules and other proteins and can actually poison humans. This is similar to the effect that copper salts (dissolved copper ions) have on fish, thus making them a good way to keep your pond blue and algae free, as well as a good way to poison fish.

Patrick R [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- Student - Kentucky, USA
2005


A. Remember: Newer pennies are only 2.5 percent Copper!

David O'Neill
- Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
2005




thumbs up sign Hi, David. That number sounds approximately correct, although I didn't check it.

But if you aren't going to bite into a donut -- if you're just going to lick the icing to spite your sister -- won't it taste the same whether the donut below is devil's food or white cake?

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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A. E. coli O157:H7 has been associated with several large-scale food recalls by processors in the United States. This bacterium was found to be nonviable in a few hours when placed on copper surfaces, but survived for many days on stainless steel. The copper alloys tested included coppers, brasses, bronzes, copper-nickels and nickel silvers. The results confirm that the antibacterial effect is present in all the tested copper alloys, and increases with the copper content of the alloy. Furthermore, as expected, this action was faster at the higher temperature. The bacteria were found to be nonviable on almost all of the copper alloy surfaces in the range of one to six hours at 20° C. It took longer, with a minimum time of three hours, at 4° C. This anti-microbial attributes of copper alloys should be useful beyond food processing applications.

Chris [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- Tempe, Arizona, USA
2006


A. American Pennies made prior to 1983 have little copper in them.
Silver is a much more powerful killer of bacteria.

Dave Block
- Peoria, Arizona, USA
2007


A. Thanks, Dave. Your second statement may be true, I don't know, but your first one must be a typo :-)

Coins before 1982 were 95+ percent copper according to the U.S. Mint website. It is pennies after 1982 that consist of a copper plated zinc core.

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2007



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A. Do you remember the battery made with a potato, sticked with copper and zinc? .

This is an oxidation reaction, the zinc is destroyed creating energy. Same thing happens with galvanized iron (iron lines with zinc). Well, copper forms a electric bridge with bacteria killing it. But Silver has better effect. I suggest study the electrochemical series of metal to learn the levels of interaction between metals. Living organism as bacteria have metal in their structure, as Iron, Manganese.......

Enrique Villavicencio
- Mexico City, Mexico
December 27, 2008


A. Recently, British pennies and similar coins have been made of steel plated with copper. I believe it is the same with American pennies, which adopted this process earlier. As the copper is on the surface, I don't think that would reduce the bactericidal effect at all.

It would be interesting to know if illnesses spread less quickly in countries where most or all coins contain copper (like the UK) compared to where they do not. Some countries are fond of aluminium and stainless steel coins, for example Italy before it adopted the euro.

Robert Morrison
- Oxford, England, United Kingdom
July 7, 2011


A. I just did a college report about controlling hospital born infections. There was an article on wikipedia.org about Nosocomial Infections. Turns out that there are trials being conducted showing that rooms are being coated in antimicrobial copper at Memorial Sloan Kettering in New York to control and destroy microbes. It revealed that 99.9% of Gram negative bacteria and fungi were destroyed by copper compared to rooms without copper. Risk factors decreased 40% of people in these rooms getting infections before hospital discharge. It seems to be very potent, but I think it would take more copper than a penny to control the bacteria. Good luck with your project. I'd be curious to know if your hypothesis proved to have positive results.

Patrick O'Connell
- Nesconset, New York US
September 16, 2011




Q. Can copper be ingested to kill bacteria and if so what kind would be safe for Chronic Lyme Disease??

William Schoonbeck
- Albany New York USA
October 30, 2011



A. Hi, William.

This is way out of the area of expertise of most readers on this site, certainly including me :-)

I think a discussion with your doctor or a poison control center may be helpful. Good luck..

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
November 1, 2011


A. Copper is now approved with the EPA as an antimicrobial metal.

The problem is obviously cost when associating copper with manufactured goods.

Look for some new technology that will be readily available and expect consumer goods to have more antimicrobial surfaces in their products.

Here's a good link:

www.copper.org/antimicrobial/properties/multimedia/homepage.html

Super bugs will be a thing of the past with the new technologies being brought to the marketplace.

David Dennis
- Burlington, Ontario Canada
November 3, 2011


A. Hi, David. Very helpful posting -- thanks!

But your closing sentence sounds like a million statements of the sort in the course of history, and I think we're still hunting for the first one that proved true :-)

Regards,

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November 4, 2011


A. It exists Ted, at least to the extent that copper can be integrated as an antimicrobial surface in a cost effective way.

The applications are almost limitless.

David Dennis
- Burlington, Ontario Canada
November 7, 2011


A. Hi, David. I didn't say or mean to imply that the technology doesn't exist or won't be highly useful. My remark was philosophical, i.e., that technologies that propose to make pandemic scourges like superbugs "a thing of the past" rarely achieve it :-)

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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November 8, 2011


thumbs up sign "Pandemic scourges"........love it Ted!

The technology is indeed new. I believe the technology is sound enough to help maintain sterile environments such as touch surfaces, operating rooms, public areas.

David Dennis
- Burlington, Ontario Canada
November 8, 2011




March 22, 2012

Q. Hi! I am doing a science fair project.
This project is about how many pennies in water will be the best to eliminate mosquito larvae.
There are two kind of pennies: made before 1982 and after 1982. They both contain different percentages of copper.
I put each type of pennies into 300 ml of water with 5 mosquito larvae in each cup (the number of pennies is from 1 to 10, which means I will have 20 cups.)
The result of my experiment is that: for the pennies before 1982, the cup with 9 pennies works the best. For the pennies after 1982, the cup with 10 pennies works the best. And overall the one that contained 9 pennies made before 1982 works the best.
Why did it work out this way?
How much copper in 300 c.c. of water will be most toxic to mosquito larvae?

Paz Y [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- Barigada, Guam, USA


A. Canada has removed its copper pennies from circulation, effective February 4, 2013. Presumably, the United States will be following suit as well. Since copper is a natural antibacterial agent, is it not perfectly reasonable to expect that emergency hospital visits and health care expenses will rise dramatically as people become ill, even violently so from the removal of such natural antibacterial agents from the environment?

Gordon Jenkins
- Gatineau, Quebec, Canada
March 17, 2013




Q. Just read an article on copper plated ICU fixtures dramatically reducing infections.

Is it reasonable to think that copper coating either titanium alloy or stainless steel surgical instruments that are to be routinely subjected to high temperature, high pressure, high humidity sterilization procedures would be a non-starter, because the electroplated surfaces would corrode too quickly?

Would gold plating an entire stainless steel instrument possibly achieve the same result? It is even more conductive than copper (I think) and the rationale for copper being so effective was: The electrical conductivity of copper "literally steals the electricity inside the microbes, rendering them inactive. They literally die because they run out of juice."

Will Pettinger
- Jacksonville, Florida, USA
May 1, 2013



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A. Will,
It seems that scientists are not entirely sure what mechanism, or if it even is a single mechanism, causes copper to be so effective against microbes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_properties_of_copper

However, I very much doubt that electrical conductivity has anything at all to do with it. There is no such thing as "stealing electricity" and bacteria are certainly not battery operated. This is a biochemistry effect, not one of electric current.

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May 3, 2013


A. Will, I'll answer your questions as best I'm able.
-It does seem likely that the copper coating would degrade quickly, however if such instruments are going to be autoclaved, or some other sterilization technique, it would be redundant. In addition the copper oxides created could produce other effects.
-Gold will probably not have any effect upon microbial activity, silver does though. The anti-microbial effect of copper and silver has less to do with their conductive properties and more to do with their tendencies of their oxides to react with cell structures.

I highly suggest reading through the Wikipedia article on biocides as a good place to start your research. Additionally I'd suggest doing some reading on basic cellular biology to further help you discover some options.

Marc Banks
Blacksmith - Boone, North Carolina, USA
May 5, 2013




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