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Oxidation of silver nickel electrical contact


1998

Q. Need your advice on the following:

In the area of Silver plating of contactors (say for Switchgear products), how many years of life one can expect without tarnishing? Plating thickness is in the range of 5-25 microns on copper. How do I protect the silver coating without formation of silver sulfide and without loosing the electrical conductivity. Organic coatings or Rhodium plating has one or other disadvantages. Do you suggest any alloy plating?

K. Murugan
Crompton Greaves


1998

A. I do not know what is your substrate material. I assume it is copper. There are two choices I could think of. For low frequency contact use, low temperature applications, your better bet would be cadmium plating. This material is also better for applications in humid environments. That is why it is used for connector plating. Be careful about the use of cadmium though because cadmium, being toxic, is not accepted in many countries. The other method would be gold plating.

Mandar.

Mandar Sunthankar
- Fort Collins, Colorado


1998

A. LIFE OF SILVER CONTACTS measured in the terms you use - without tarnish -is virtually nil. But why worry about tarnish? It is generally very conductive and for most electrical contacts where applied voltage is generally quite high(in excess of 10 volts) the tarnish will not be electrically noticed. For electronic contacts, where very low contact resistances may be required, you probably cannot use silver - depends upon the application. Very low contact resistances have to come usually from gold or even unpolished rhodium (very expensive) but for general purpose switchgear tarnished silver is excellent. It is also one of the best finishes for switches in a marine environment.

Peter Vivian



Silver plating on electrical contact springs

2000

Q. I have been cycle testing spring probes used in circuit board testers to determine the best and longest lasting type of plating to be used on the spring itself.

So far, silver plate over a copper strike, on a spring wound from music wire ASTM 228 seems to give the best results. The silver springs even outlast raw unplated ones. I believe this is due to the lubricating properties of the silver, and it's malleability. Previously, we were plating gold over electroless and/or sulfamate nickel, and having problems with premature spring failure. I have two questions. One: does anyone know what the conductivity of silver sulfide (tarnish) is? And secondly: can anyone give any reason why not to plate these springs with silver.

Thanks to all for your input.

Brian A. Jones
Test Connections Inc. - Upland, Ca U.S.A.


2000

A. Hey Brian,

Silver should be fine to use as the plate and if you are getting the spring cycles you may not need to bake the parts after electroplating. Silver will form a very light chromate film (will pass current) if you just want more protection or if you need to bake and then need to snap the surface back.

Sorry, don't know the conductivity of the sulfide, but its not much of a conductor. 3M makes some protective papers that can be placed along with the parts in good packaging (sealed plastic bag 4 mils thick or more) and will increase the shelf life. Gold over the silver would also work (silver will, with time, come to the surface of the gold so you may need more than a flash).

Regards,

Fred Mueller, CEF
Wendt Dunnington - Royersford, Pennsylvania



Maximum-Minimum Current for Silver-Cadmium Oxide & Gold Electrical Contacts.

2001

Q. Gentlemen,

I am wondering if you could please help me by answering the following questions:

What is the working voltage and current range for AgCdO 10% contacts (90% Silver, 10% Cadmium oxide) and at what kind of electrical load (if AC load, please specify whether is resistive, inductive or capacitive)?

I would appreciate your help if you could tell me the same for gold contacts (electrical current and voltage working range, i.e. maximum and minimum).

Thanks Francisco Castaneda
Controles de PresiÛn de Cd. Ju·rez - Ju·rez, Chihuahua, MÈxico



Sliding electrical contacts suffer silver to silver galling

2003

Q. I am having problems with galling on a silver to silver sliding electrical contact. The problem is manifesting itself after assembly and before any current is applied. The galling is causing a gritchy sliding surface which is interfering with smooth motion of the contact (the contacts are under only a few grams of load). Only a few % of the contacts produced have this problem, I am puzzled as to what is causing phenomenon. Under close inspection both surfaces display distinctive galling characteristics (not very pretty).

Has anyone ever experienced silver to silver galling?

Dan Way
electrical components - Springfield, Massachusetts


simultaneous 2003

A. Pure Silver is a very soft metal and is a great lubricant when running against a harder metal, but will gall very easily against another soft silver surface. Try using a harder silver (alloy) on one of the surfaces.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida


2003

A. Hi,

At a company I worked for a while back, one of our customers was concerned about the possibility of silver-to-silver galling on a sliding contact. We had never seen that problem on our particular product before. We annealed one of the contacts so that the sliding contacts would be of two different hardnesses, thereby reducing the chance of mechanical welding. This was enough to allay our customer's fears.

Adnan Abbas
- Atlanta, Georgia, USA


2005

A. We solved this problem of galling Silver contacts by wiping them with a damp cloth. Wiping with Alcohol or Acetone [affiliate link to product info at Amazon] has the same effect. We don't quite understand the process (it seems to clean off the brightener additives or create a thin oxide layer (?)) but it works great. Aging the plating helps too, either oven cure at 150 to 200 °C or just letting it sit for 2 weeks.

Holger Schult
electronic mfg. - Montoursville, Pennsylvania, USA



2004

Q. Dear Sir/Madam,

I would like to know how could you confirm if the silver nickel cladding area of an electrical contact has been oxidized? Recently, we have encountered problem of motor failure & we suspect it is due to the electrical contact plated with silver nickel. We reckon that an insulating oxide film has built up causing low or no electrical conductivity. Unfortunately, we do not have any strong evidence to prove it. In addition, under what circumstances will the silver nickel oxidise or corrode?

Thanks With best regards,

Maung San Zaw
Engineer - Singapore


2004

A. Please give the composition of the silver nickel. The metals nickel and silver have almost no solubility in each other, and "nickel silver" commonly refers to alloys such as C75400 (65Cu-20Zn-15Ni) and C97600 (64Cu-4Sn-4Pb-8Zn-20Ni), which have the appearance of silver but only 5-7% of its conductivity.

Heating can cause oxidation. Corrosion usually leaves obvious corrosion products. A surface oxide can be detected with a volt-ohm meter and some judicious scraping.

Ken Vlach
- Goleta, California

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2004

A. Maung,

Silver don't oxidation, silver can build a sulfurization. You can protect silver from this by passivation.

Regards,

anders sundman
Anders Sundman
4th Generation Surface Engineering
Consultant - Arvika, Sweden



October 12, 2009

A. Anders is absolutely correct, its not oxidation.

Also the blackening of silver caused by sulfurization is conductive and does not normally need to be cleaned.
This is one of the reasons that silver plating is used.

It is highly unlikely to be the cause of problems with your motor.

Whatever you do, DO NOT attempt to clean silver plating using any abrasive means. This will do more harm than good.

Hope this helps

Henry

Henry HORTON
Electrical engineer > 25 years experience with electrical contacts - Shenzhen China



2006

Q. We have a problem with heavy tarnish on silver-plated spring contacts which are difficult to reach and impossible to abrade. Is there a chemical treatment which will reduce the silver sulfide to metallic silver? Would heating work?

Help?

Dr. Terry Rowe
- Elliot Lake, ON, Canada



Silver plated brass electrical contacts are fouling

December 16, 2011

Q. Dear,

My brake fluid tank on vehicle has a mechanical contact between electrical terminal and disc. It is connected with combimeter.
So when brake fluid leaks, warning lamp can light due to direct contact between electrical terminal and disc.
Electrical terminal and disc are brass plated with silver.
And circuit current is max. 6 mA to min. 4mA.
But, I have problem: no warning light on when electrical terminal contacts disc.
So I heard that low current may cause no light on even though terminal and disc are contacted.
First, we suspect silver plated may cause no warning light on but even though passivation is applied, it still has problem.
Second, is it possible to make small current on circuit no warning light on?
Third, when we compare silver plated, tin plated or gold plated, what is better with small current?
Normally automotive industry prefer Tin plated or Gold plated.
But, could you explain that silver plated is normal use for electric terminals?
Could you explain what silver plated has advantage and disadvantage compared to Tin plated?

Thank you in advance.

Jungwon KIM
- Korea


December 21, 2011

A. BARRIER PLATE IS A MUST for BRASS

Before Bright Silver or Tin Plating on connecting LUGS/TERMINALS a BARRIER PLATE of Bright Nickel is RECOMMENDED to prevent ZINC in BRASS migrating with Silver or TIN, which gives intermittent problematic connection.

K.N.KOUSHIK.
surface finishing chemicals - BANGALORE,INDIA


December 22, 2011

Q. Thank you for your comment.
I have one more question.
I heard that barrier Nickel is must for gold plating on silver.
Do you mean that it is a must for silver plating on brass?

Jungwon KIM [returning]
- Korea



Bi-Metallic contact Rivet AgNi15

January 17, 2020

Q. Dear All,

I am a switch gear designer. Now I am designing a switch which will be used in Elevator Industries, so the price component is an important thing.

I am using 2 bi-metallic Rivet AgNi15. I have to reduce the cost of the rivet. What are possibilities of reducing the cost or any other method to change Ag Ni15

Regards

Manoj

Manoj Babu
- India


January 2020

A. Hi. I know very little about this subject, but quick googling indicates that AgNi is already the lowest cost of the silver-based contact materials. It is possible perhaps that you could use plated copper-based rivets, but that substitution is an electrical engineering project, not simple equivalence.

opinion!  Earlier in my career I did a stint with a well-known manufacturing technology consulting firm working on cost-reduction programs, and came to decide that my own philosophy is that there is no such thing as a successful cost reduction program. By their nature they imply that the design & quality of the product is already good enough and it's okay to not improve upon it and maybe even safe to let the quality slide by a measured amount. The premise is doomed to failure :-(
Focus on how to make that switch better in some way and you might well find that it leads to lower cost :-)

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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Thermally conductive and salt-water resistant finish

February 25, 2020

Q. Hello, I'm trying to find choose best material that will be salt water resistant, and have good thermal conductivity. In my head I have two choices [for substrate], copper and aluminium -- but both are easy corroded in salt water so I think about protecting it from oxidation, without much lowering its thermal conductive properties. So any powder coating in not good. That's why I think about plating it, or anodizing, so maybe someone knows the answer, what will be most corrosion resistant, copper electroplated with nickel, or maybe aluminium anodized or aluminium electroplated with nickel? it will be in salt water (sea water)

Mat Froe
hobbyist - Canada


February 2020

A. Hi Mat. Assuming gold plating is too expensive for the application, electroless nickel plating on copper would be my choice.

Regards,

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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live Aloha


February 26, 2020

A. Hi Mat
What is the purpose of the coating?
Wooden ships were commonly plated with copper sheets. The phrase "copper bottomed" is still used to describe reliability and marine archeologists recover copper and brass fittings from wrecks in excellent condition.

geoff smith
Geoff Smith
Hampshire, England


February 27, 2020

A. They don't use pure copper, but cupronickel; normal pure copper is not resistant to salt water.

Mat Froe [returning]
- Canada


February 27, 2020
wikipedia
Copper_sheathing #Civilian_use

A. Nelson's Navy and the East India Company used plain copper.
I have seen no evidence for the use of cupronickel and it is unlikely to be sufficiently ductile to be rolled into the sheets used.
Between 1829 and 1833, Percival Norton Johnson was the first person to refine cupronickel in Britain.The Royal Navy had started coppering the entire fleet from 1788.
geoff smith
Geoff Smith
Hampshire, England

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