Summary for brass cosmetic finish Discussion
The thread asks for a process to give a cosmetically appealing finish on brass musical instruments that are mechanically polished before clear lacquering but still show polishing marks and fine scratches. In response, Asif Nurie says electropolishing may help, but notes that it usually only enhances the existing surface profile rather than truly smoothing it. He recommends mechanical blending as the better route, specifically suggesting mass finishing equipment with dry organic media to reduce marks and improve appearance. He adds that such systems have been used successfully on small valve-type parts, though he is unsure how well they would scale to larger body sections like instrument shells. A later post shifts to a different question about research on electropolishing copper/brass, with advice that it would require full-scale research and a computerized search method, plus reference to the Electroplating Engineering Handbook.
We manufacture electrophoretic clear lacquered brass musical instruments (trumpets, cornets, etc.), polished (mechanically) to a high degree of finish prior to lacquering. We are not able to achieve a polished surface visually free from polishing marks and fine scratches. Please suggest what can help us? Will electropolishing be of any help?
Saqib Alvi
a musical instrument mfgr. – Bulandshahr, Uttar Pradesh, India
2003
Electropolishing may work, but normally it only enhances the surface profilt that already exists. The best way to blend or smooth is by mechanical methods; therefore, I suggest mass finishing equipment using dry organic media. We have sold a number of systems for small valve type parts, but I am not sure of the larger body sections.
AF Kenton
retired business owner – Hatboro, Pennsylvania
2003
A. There are a couple of different ways to achieve a blemish free finish.
1) Selection of basic Brass sheet. The rolled sheet should not hide pits just below the surface which get exposed at the first stage of polishing, i.e,. Katai.
2) Electropolishing is a viable alternative and usually does produce a very fine finish IF the brash sheet does not contain hidden blemishes below the surface.
3) Assuming the brass is of poor quality and the blemishes need to to be hidden, the following procedure is acceptable and followed by similar users in your predicament in North India.
– Clean the part in a Hot soak cleaner. 60 Centigrade. 5 to 7 minutes.
– Cathodic Clean 45 to 90 secs at 6 volts
– Anodic Clean 10- 20 seconds at 4 volts.
– Rinse x 2times – 7 percent sulfuric acid dip .
– Rinse in Deionised water .
– Strike in Woods Nickel ( Ready made Nickel strike containing HCL+ Nickel Chloride) 3-4 volts, warm 45 Centigrade, Nickel anodes, 3 to 7 minutes till full Dull Nickel coverage is obtained. Note that deep throated Band instruments can be masked where the plating is not needed.
– Rinse x 2 times
-Sulfuric acid dip 5 % for 45 seconds
– Rinse in Deionised water
– Plate in Bright Acid Copper solution for 25 to 45 minutes at 4 volts , 30 Centigrade, air agitated with filtration and Phos Cu anodes.
The acid copper will deposit to high thickness and its leveling properties will hide surface blemishes.
Thereafter any other form of plating / and/ or Electrophoretic lacquering can be done ater rinses and activation.
This really gives a beautiful finish and is possibly the only substitute to buying good quality Brass sheet.
Regards
Asif Nurie [deceased]
– New Delhi, India
With deep sadness we acknowledge the passing of Asif on Jan 24, 2016
2004
Hello,
I am an Industrial Engineering student from Egypt at MSA University. I’m working on an important research for me on ELECTRO POLISHING FOR COPPER BRASS, but I didn’t find too much until now and I hope you can help me by giving me more infos on this subject.
Thanks in advance,
Abdulrahman Elgazzar
– Nasr City, Cairo, Egypt
That will probably take full-scale research with a computerized search method, Abdulrahman–but the
Electroplating Engineering Handbook ⇦ this on
eBay,
AbeBooks, or
Amazon [affil link]
has a little on the subject. Good luck.
Ted Mooney, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
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2004