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What is phosphating?


What is phosphating? I am completing a wastewater discharge permit for a Jobshop that paints metals and plastics. Prior to painting, the parts are dipped in a cleaning solution to remove oil and grease. This cleaning solution contains phosphates. Is this phosphating, or is phosphating a different coating procedure?

Robert Adams


Dear Bob, phosphating is the process of providing a conversion coating for iron bearing metals and/or etching/activating for non-ferrous metals. When the metal comes in contact with the phosphate solution, a chemical reaction takes place (also called pickling). The phosphate coating is deposited. The topcoat will now have a better substrate profile in which to adhere to. Remember that aluminum does not accept a conversion coat unless phosphate chrome is used. The aluminum will still receive an etch that will accept good adhesion.

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Dear Sir:

Many heavy duty cleaners contain phosphates as part of their makeup. You need to determine if the job shop is just degreasing the part or actually applying a phosphate coating.

Phosphate cleaners are typically alkaline, phosphate conversion coatings are typically acidic.

Finally, it is possible to apply a phosphate conversion coating (zinc or iron) to aluminum.

Edward Koneczny
- Birmingham, Michigan


please tell me in detail about accelerators used during phosphating as a paint base; also tell me about the post treatments regarding the phosphating process.



I am a chemist from pakistan. I need some know how about metal pre-treatment system. Is there any gentleman who gives me information about alkaline cleaners, pickling solutions, phosphating chemicals. God bless you.

syed Iqbal Saleem
- pakistan


Hello, Mr. Bapat. Hello, Mr. Saleem,

There are entire shelves and even aisles in technical libraries which attempt to answer your questions, so it is hard to recommend just a single book, but Samuel Spring's "Preparation of Metal for Painting" [affil. link to book on Amazon is a book that I can recommend.; or try "Phosphating of Metals" [affil. link to book on Amazon, ... on AbeBooks -->] by Rausch & Rauch. or "Phosphating & Metal Pretreatment" [affil. link to book on Amazon] by Freeman. Good luck.

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September 22, 2011

What is the difference between phosphate cleaner and phosphate conversion?

harish mehra
employee - delhi, India

September 22, 2011

Hi, Harish. Phosphates, such as trisodium phosphate, are sometimes used as detergents to assist cleaning. But phosphate conversion coating, sometimes called phosphatization, is a pretreatment process for metal which improves its corrosion resistance and provides a good base for the adhesion of paints or absorption of oils. If you can provide some context rather than an abstract question, we can probably assist in more detail. Thanks.


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