Holiday detection in FBE Pipe Coating
A discussion started in 2001 but continuing through 20192001
FBE = Fusion Bonded Epoxy
Fusion bonded epoxy coating
Q. The general recommendation to check the discontinuity in a FBE pipe coating is 125 volts/mil, but I consider this voltage not enough to detect all holidays because the coating surface is not flat (but waves) and sometimes the thickness is higher than the average. What's more, the holiday wire doesn't touch the coating surface 100%. How much higher do you consider could be the voltage to check, if you agree with my point of view?. How much higher could the voltage be without burning the coating ?Gabriel Giraldo Alfonso
- Barranquilla, Colombia
A. The only point of reference I have, being in the electroplating industry, is the spark testing of PVC liners for steel tanks which will hold liquids.
I found your question interesting, since I never thought about the test requirements we use for the spark tester. I wonder if we have some similar volts/mil requirement.
Certainly, the limit of the practical use of the test would occur if the higher voltage being used to test the coating could burn a hole right through the coating.
Falls Township, Pennsylvania
February 23, 2018 2005
A. A simple way to test what voltage a coating can withstand is to apply the voltage with a brass brush probe applied, then slowly wind up the voltage, note; use a DC voltage detector not pulse. When it breaks you will know the dielectric strength of the coating at that test point. It may surprise you, as how much a well applied cured coating, will withstand, generally a lot more voltage than most could imagine. For general testing purposes the breakdown voltage could not be applied as a test voltage.
I would think that you would be tied to a specification, that has a preset test voltage which would not allow for this, but maybe in the future. Pipelines need the maximum test voltage applied as you can do little after they are buried.
PCWI P/L - Newcastle NSW Australia
September 12, 2012
A. The 125 volts/mil is old school. Todays FBE's have a dielectric strength of 1100 to 1300 volts per mil. Coatings are usually applied in the 14-16 mil thicknesses providing a minimum of 15,000 volts of protection. At 125 volts per mil at 14 mils is 1750 volts. This will usually find holidays that are through the coating with exposed steel, assuming the coating is not cratered. This means that the coating is deformed from the impact and is thicker at the edges leaving an air gap of maybe 21 mils. These often will go undetected at the 125 volts per mil. Now assume the coating is only damaged leaving 1 mil of coating to remain on the steel. We need 1100 volts to burn through it plus 75 volts per mil to jump the air gap of 13 mils. Damage goes undetected. Why do we get detection at 125/mil? Its because of contaminants on the surface of the defects assisting the electrons to flow to the steel. So, yes, 125 is not enough.Darren Lemmerman
- St. Paul Minnesota, USA
A. It's extremely concerning to read that someone might actually think that dielectric strength has anything to do with holiday detection.
Dielectric strength/breakdown and discontinuity testing (holiday testing) are two completely different subjects. The two test methods (one destructive, the other non-destructive) are used to determine completely different characteristics of materials.
You cannot holiday test with 1,000v/mil because a product data sheet lists a 1,000v/mil dielectric strength value.
125v/mil is not old school. If anyone thinks they can conduct discontinuity testing with 1,000v/mil, then they should look for a career that doesn't involve coating inspection.
Anyone reading this who has any doubt that dielectric strength testing and holiday testing are not related. Please read ASTM D520 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet], NACE SP0188 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet] & NACE SP0490 [link by ed. to spec at TechStreet]. Please.
NACE III CIP QC MGR - Panama City Florida, USA
A. Ever wonder why you can jeep 1, 2 or 3 times and still find a bunch of final pass holidays? Ever watch a jeep mark a holiday to only not be able to find it again? Its really rather simple your voltage is too low to find them. I will try to clear this up because this is important.
With over 25 years of Quality assurance inspections I have found that 125 volts/mil works just fine in a controlled environment such as a coating mill, a NACE LAB or manufacturing a hole in the coating on the ROW and testing you jeeping voltage. Once the pipe is on the ROW with real world holidays, 125 is NOT enough! 175 volts/mil on FBE will be significantly more effective. The dielectric strength of FBE allows this voltage without any harm to the coating. Old schoolers still say you can't do that, it will burn holes in the coating. I have seen 100's of miles done at 6000 volts on 16 mil FBE with great success. (I am not endorsing 6000 volts, nor the 1000 v/mil suggested above by Aaron.)
How do I measure success, by the miles of pipe laid per holidays found on final jeep. Jeep at 175 v/mil and you will lay more pipe!Darren Lemmerman [returning]
- St. Paul Minnesota, USA
January 7, 2019
A. I am Joe Neal a 3rd party chief inspector on pipelines. I am looking for a Nace level III to clear up some confusion on Holiday detector settings for FBE coated pipe. Nace suggest 125 volts per mil. why would anyone want to go beyond what the Nace standard suggests? For one thing it will more than double the amount of holidays and time to repair them and two, where do you find that you can use whatever voltage you want if it is not in a code, specification or Standard?
pipeline inspection - Carlsbad, NM
October 11, 2018
Q. Hey guys I have a pipe with more than 400 pinhole jeeps on it. It over 2 years old and has UV discolouration. Any ideas?Sara Carmichael
Inspection - BC, Canada
A. Hi Sara. You obviously have a question in mind but I don't think it's clear to the readers yet exactly what the question is :-)
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Pine Beach, New Jersey
Striving to live "Aloha"
October 11, 2018
Q. Thanks Guys,
I'm wondering what might cause so many pinholes? I was hearing metal curling under the coating? The gloss has UV damage so prone to pinholes? Anybody hear of the metal curling or metal coiling under the FBE coating to cause pinholes? The pipe was bent to 10 degrees as well?
Inspection - BC, Canada
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