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Asking for formula for hydrochloric acid to strip motorcycle parts


(a fun & ridiculous thread, especially for dog lovers, spanning from Christmas season 2001 to 2011^2012)

Q. I am trying to strip my motorcycle parts down that have been poorly chrome-plated. One fellow at a restoration shop said I could eat it off best with hydrochloric acid. I asked him how to make it and he wasn't sure. Can anybody help me with my question?

Steve c [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- Springfield, Illinois


Muriatic Acid

Dude,

You don't just "make" hydrochloric acid.. you buy it. Secondly.. its EXTREMELY nasty stuff. Thirdly (if that's a word)..you would end up with a heavy metal acidic hazardous waste that you would need to dispose of properly. I guess, what I'm saying is..if you want the chrome chemically stripped off, please send it to a professional. There may be other, mechanical, safer ways of removing chrome off of a scooter, go to the search page, as I'm sure I've seen others ask a similar question.


Marc Green with Rusty
anodizer - Boise, Idaho


First things first - get a new guy for the restoration. If he can't tell you that hydrochloric acid (chemical symbol HCl) is also Muriatic Acid [linked by editor to product info at Amazon] - although not as strong as industrial grade HCl) then I might wonder about his other plating abilities. That said, it is best to let the plating shops do this type of work since they are equipped to handle the waste generated from the stripping process and can immediately replate the parts to your liking.

Hope this helps.

Dan Brewer
chemical process supplier - Gurnee, Illinois


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Hi, Steve. The main issue is that "chrome plating" is actually a very heavy layer of nickel plating followed by an extremely thin layer of chrome plating. You might be interested in our "Introduction to Chrome Plating".

Hydrochloric acid (HCl) will remove the chrome quickly but will not touch the nickel plating, so the effort will not fix your poorly plated part or make it look any different. If the parts were poorly plated, the shop which plated them should fix them.

HCl is a compound rather than a mixture, so your question is similar to asking how to make water or how to make salt; it's not something you mix, it's something you react. You can make a small quantity of hydrochloric acid on laboratory scale from ingredients like sulfuric acid and salt -- but then you need to ask how to make sulfuric acid or where to buy it. So in reality it's probably much easier to buy hydrochloric acid, available in most hardware stores as "muriatic acid", than to first buy sulfuric acid and then try to make hydrochloric from it.

Best of luck.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey


Steve,

I feel real sorry for you. All these experts, which is what they ARE ... giving you very good but expensive advice. And if you become a finishing.com addict, you'll notice that quite a few of the responders need to have dogs or dawgs with them!

If you have just a few small parts then, as the man said, go to the Hardware store and get a small bottle of Muriatic acid. Sometimes it's called toilet bowl cleaner [linked by editor to product info at Amazon] or brick cleaner. The (safety) instructions are on the bottle or should be.

Get a small paint brush and a plastic bowl. Drip in a small amount of that acid. Brush the 'parts' with the acid. Then when (if!) the chrome has disappeared, flush rinse.

Dump the waste/excess acid. If clean, back into the bottle. If not, drop in some baking soda [linked by editor to product info at Amazon] (you should have some in the fridge). This will neutralize the acid which you can then safely dispose down the sink.

Mind you, the chrome glitter is just an ultra thin surface veneer. Under the chrome should be nickel and behind that copper (for bonding to the steel) ... That's what good platers do ...

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Freeman Newton
White Rock, British Columbia, Canada

(It is our sad duty to
advise that Freeman passed away
April 21, 2012. R.I.P. old friend).



Ted and Freeman,

Awhile ago (think back to the Hypothetical Dead Fish saga), Ted thought that there was perhaps a teacher cowering in front of Freeman's car..now I'm beginning to think it was a poor puppy dog! Not knowing a whole heck of a lot about chrome removal, I assumed he really needed HCl to remove everything, including the strikes. And that the weaker Muriatic acid wasn't strong enough. As far as just dumping the residue down the sink..I guess I get a little flustered knowing that all the accumulated household hazardous wastes in the country (paints, thinners, oils, etc..that normally just get dumped down the drain, or on the ground)probably does more harm to the environment then the industrial hazardous waste (which is normally properly disposed of).

Marc Green AND his best buddy, Rusty


Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho

But which dog is the most lovable?


Tom Pullizzi
Falls Township, Pennsylvania

Freeman,

What an excellent piece of advise you lent to Steve! I can just imagine the look on his face when he dumps about a half a pound of baking soda into the spent HCl/metal ion solution and it burps a load of carbon dioxide and non-reacted hydrogen chloride onto his garage floor (not to mention, his pants). I'm sure he is well versed in pH measurement, neutralization, heavy metal ion precipitation and the like; so he will, no doubt, perform the aforementioned operation with grace and skill. Comedy Central is always looking for talent; maybe you missed your calling! (LOL).

It IS, albeit, kind of interesting that there are a lot of dog pictures here!

Just giving you a hard time, Freeman! Talk to you later.


Randy Fowler - Fowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA


Fellow finishers: I ask you to ponder this question...which dog is more lovable, AND can hunt? And, Randall...you took the words right out of my mouth!


Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho

You can't judge a book by its cover, Tom, so I can't answer your question. But I think I like beef better than I'd like either of them.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey


Soooooo...fellow finishers..are we to assume Ted has a pet cow in his backyard?


Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho

Hi Steve ... and also a Hi to all the dawg lovers.

A few pointers. I said mix some alkali with the spent acid, well, that was assuming you had some chemistry knowledge because ideally you DON'T ... Ideally you get a pail of water, dump some alkali (sodium bicarbonate) in it, then pour in the 'acid'... and you should get a 'fizz' reaction which stops once the acid is neutralized. Then pour it down the drain.

And a pointer to all those dawg lovers ... muriatic and HCl are the SAME damn thing. Didn't good ole Joseph Priestly discover this acid by mixing water with an HCl gas and gave it the name of MURIATIC based on the Latin word MURIA meaning brine. In the past other people have called this acid spiritus salis or marine acid. No difference AT ALL. In short, muriatic is the olde name for hydrochloric. OK? Do I now get a few wags? (from the dawgs I mean, not from the wags)

Freeman Newton
White Rock, British Columbia, Canada
40 odd years in trying to solve acid problems using the right plastics

The last person who neutralized acid that way was Joe Priestly himself. If you do it that way, you will get acid mist, and won't know what the ending pH is, so you will probably violate the sewerage treatment rules for your area, and it is not too safe, in any case.


Tom Pullizzi
Falls Township, Pennsylvania

Hey Marc, I figured you'd get a kick out of that one, judging from your initial response to Freeman. Thanks. Which dog is the most lovable? HMMMMMMMMM, let's see: I had a Cocker Spaniel for 11 years; smartest dog I've ever owned. But then, again, my parents own one like Tom's. I believe mom calls it her little "Shitsu" (can I even print that on this site?). So I guess I'll have to side with Ted in this case: Ribeye Rules! (hee..hee..hee). Wow, one guy writes in to ask about the formulation of hydrochloric acid, and the chat ends up talking about dogs...gotta love it! Anyway, Ted Mooney, Tom Pullizzi, Marc Greene, and, yes, Freeman Newton: you folks have a very Merry Christmas and a most profitable new year. It's a pleasure chatting with you guys.

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

First of all.. Merry Christmas to all at Finishing.com, and all that participate in this forum. I hope I'm not the only one in here taking Christmas eve off! Now.. secondly..on to technical matters.. as I'd like some clarification. I honestly can't believe that the Muriatic acid you buy in the store for cleaning concrete, etc..) is of the same strength as the laboratory grade HCl that I buy for my lab in order to do some testing requirements per an Applied Materials spec. I don't even want to open the bottle without protective gloves [linked by editor to product info at Amazon], and a respirator, as the gas is noxious, and choking. Am I wrong in assuming that Muriatic acid is a "watered down" version of HCl? Now Thirdly..after consulting Rusty..he too is a beef, ribeye lover..so..I guess..with a little hesitation, I will concede that Ted is right....sigh,,, but I just can't imagine "Bessy the cow" snuggling at my feet at the end of my bed every night!

Merry Christmas to all, Marc and Rusty


Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho

Hey Dawgs!

Do yer like supportin' yer master ... an' sometimes bein' stuffed an' shown off?

An' when yer master makes rude komments (like ter me, fer exampel) give him a good byte. He sure deserves it. An'sum think that haich sea ell ain't the same as muri-atic! No wonder they needs dawgs.

I usta hav' a dawg once. Short haired dax. It were a TRUE huntin' dawg... uster go inter th' woods fer 2 weeks all by hitself an' HUNT ... the dam and sire wer' pig hunters or Wildschweinh¸nde as the Krauts called 'em.

An' Marc Green is rong. That ain't no cow in Ted's backyard. That's th'sea. Fish maybe but he'd sure look real outer plaice holdin' up a DAWGFISH!

You canis lovers, you have a good year, d'yer hear!

Freeman Newton
White Rock, British Columbia, Canada

I am splitting my sides, laughing at that last entry from Freeman! Y'all 'r' a dang funny ol' boy, there, Newton! That was great.

Marc, on the subject of Muriatic vs. Hydrochloric: Muriatic acid, if I remember correctly from the University of California, is a byproduct of the manufacture of iron chloride. It is supposedly passed through qualitative filtration before "bottling" for retail. It has an 18 - 20 degree baume "gravity", while the purer HCl's (Printed Circuit Grade, etc.) are measured at about 22 degrees baume. Muriatic, as one would assume, also contains dissolved compounds of iron. A 5 mL sample of 50 v/v% Muriatic is titrated to the phenolphthalein endpoint with approx. 25 mL of Normal sodium hydroxide solution. 27.5 mL of 1 N NaOH are required to achieve the endpoint with a 5 mL sample of 50 v/v% PC Grade (22 Be) HCl.

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

Thanks for the clarification, Randall. And to think..all the poor guy wanted to know, was how to remove the chrome off his scooter! Hey Ted...perhaps we need a sub-directory on the site for just plain old BS!


Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho

(the New Year 2002)

Gosh I know it must be late and I know I have had too much of that Christmas Scotch I get once a year from a customer because I'm reading and responding to this letter. First of all my dog is the winner, sorry Tom, I'll forward a photo labeled as me on future replies. Second; all the advice on the neutralization of HCl with baking soda is fine but omits that only the pH will change in this possible hot and violent reaction. The chrome will still be there and in the Hexavalent state. A known cancer causing agent. Gosh.

quirt
Jon Quirt
- Minneapolis, Minnesota


Jon, Jon, Jon, Hydrochloric acid does not raise Cr+/- to it's hexavalent state. It raises it to it's di and/or trivalent state. Cr+/-requires an active (unstable) oxidizing agent, i.e.: sodium peroxide, with heat, to be raised to it's hexavalent state. The oxygen in the ambient water (which is part of liquid HCl) would not be enough to raise the atomic Cr to CrVI.

OK, Steve, just to be on the "safe" side, you will need to titrate the waste material in question against 0.1 N sodium thiosulfate, just to see how much (if any) CrVI is in it, then calculate the ratio of sodium metabisulfite to ionic Cr+, then multiply that ratio by the gram equivalent mass concentration of CrVI to determine the mass of Na2S205 to add. Then you will have to pass the entire volume of waste material through quantitative filtration, to isolate the CrOH3, before introducing the remaining liquid material to the waste stream.

How's that, Jon? (hee...hee...hee...)

I love this website!

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

Randall..I'm sure the "fellow at the restoration shop" will have all the necessary titrants and pH meter, and of course.. the filtration equipment that poor Steve (whom only wanted a little advice) will need. Do you think if we work hard enough that we can keep this thread alive till 2003? And Jon.. I've been anxiously awaiting to see the "hands down" winner of the pooch contest. Perhaps you are a little intimidated by the competition?


Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho

Randall, Review your chem books and the lowest energy state of chrome. It is different from most, the electrons just love to run off. Another hint Cr III is green. Perhaps dissolve a bunch of chrome into HCl, then raise the pH to 9.3 (lowest solubility) Got any ppt.? No? No kidding.

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Jon Quirt
- Minneapolis, Minnesota


Hey Dawgs, Am gettin' a trifled hupset with all them damn dawg pikters I keeps seein'. (Heck, I've seen better dawgs, too!) Did yer kno that in Korea th' fayvreet dish is dawg meat ... with some kat appertizers, too. I ain't lyin'. Them those finishing.com dawgs sure look too well fed, eh? Yummy food in Korea! Maybe you're beein' fattened up. Hope not!

Freeman Newton
White Rock, British Columbia, Canada

January 9, 2002

ATTENTION! THIS letter MARKS THE END OF THE FASCINATING, IF SOMEWHAT DISGUSTING, REPARTEE ABOUT DOGS.

Thank you for your consideration and,

Sincerely,


Tom Pullizzi
Falls Township, Pennsylvania

OK, Mr. Quirt (smart alec), I will break out my general chemistry textbooks and review the nature of the element in question. Yes, I know that CrIII is (blueish) green; yes I know that CrVI is goldish orange. I am also aware that chromium chloride salt is as aforementioned. And, lastly, I know that the Cr orbital electron "acceptance" of influences is different than other atoms. I don't remember, albeit, that any of the previous entries (except yours)mentioned color. Could it be that you are now an active member in assuring that this "Entry #12044" remains active until 2003, as Marc wondered? Marc, when I listed (to poor Steve) the necessary steps for removing Chromium from his HCl liquid material, I was (as Rush Limbaugh calls it) "...illustrating absurdity by being absurd". OK, back to filling out my TURP reports for 2001! Talk to you guys later!

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

Hmm. I know that alkaline stripping (removal of chrome in electrified caustic solution) generates hexavalent chrome. In fact, electrocleaning tanks in which chrome is removed deliberately or accidentally often get a bright yellow color, like lemon icing. I think getting that color as opposed to the usual amber color of hex chrome is due to the alkalinity and chromate vs. dichromate thing.

Hydrochloric acid is an amberish color anyway, so I don't know that it's color will reveal the state of any chromium dissolved in it. Such a common and important question, and so much speculation! Does anybody *know*for*sure* whether stripping in hydrochloric acid generates hex chrome?

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey


Ahhh...Randall.. do you not recognize sarcasm when you see it? I surely recognized yours! Now.. on to Ted's comments..First of all, the HCl that I purchase is always clear in color, I've never seen it shaded at all. Does the actual stripping process generate hex chrome..or is it just removing the already existing hex chrome, me thinks it would be the latter? Not being too familiar with chrome plating..is it not a hex chrome solution that is used? If it is a tri-chrome solution does the addition of acids or bases somehow change it to a hex? Or does the addition of a current (as Ted mentioned) somehow play into the change? Sorry guys.. my chemistry knowledge probably isn't as vast as you'alls.

Now.. onto more important manners..Freeman..oh Freeman.. what am I gonna do with you. Them thar dawgs is meant for huntin, and companionship..NOT for eatin (now.. CATS..thats fine..bon-appetite) And Tom...the end of the dog commentary can't be completed until Jon gets around to attach a pic of his pooch. But Tom.. it is the NFL playoff season.. have you ever considered using your pooch for a football? Its about the right size.....

Good luck on the TURP report, Randall!


Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho

So many responses, so little time. Oh, I forgot, we have until 2003! WHEW! At any rate, let's get on with it:

1. Freeman, these fellows are obviously not (choke) consuming their dawgs; we can see their K-9's in the photos. But the litter...those poor puppies...!

2. Tom, OK, I agree we should "move on". Therefore, this weekend I am going to scan a photo of myself with...er...my CAT! Yes, it's true; a dog lover such as myself has been reduced to harboring a feline. No pussy jokes, Freeman.

3. Ted, you have precipitated a challenge. On the morrow (Friday), I shall order a certain mass of pure chromium ingots from a reliable company in New Jersey. When aforementioned ingots arrive at my lab in Boston(Monday), I am going to weigh said ingots upon the lab balance, recording displayed mass thereof. Then, I shall submerse those Cr ingots within measured, ambient, and agitated volumes of two grades of HCl (22 Be PC Grade and "Hardware Store" Grade). I will then analyze said solutions visibly, titrimetrically and spectrophotometrically. Expect the values of my results to be entered upon this site late next week. OK, I'm goin' in! Cover me!

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

 


Ok Marc I am seeking some tech help as to how to submit my photos but I assure you the Dawg photo is on the way. As to making a determination about the Chrome becoming Hex in an HCl media I'll let someone else enter the fray, Or let Randy finish his own testing. As I see this so far it is an oxidation/reduction reaction...While the chrome has been oxidized to Hexavalent, Randy has been reduced to name calling :-)


Jon Quirt
- Minneapolis, Minnesota


Our webmaster Kate, a dog lover who has otherwise established a standard of only printing a person's picture once on each letter, has already printed Rusty's pic 5 times here. So I guess she has already decided which dog is the cutest.

I guess that contest is actually over anyway as this thread seems to be about to veer off towards who has the meanest junkyard dog rather than the cutest smiley.

I'm betting on Tom's for this round. And I'm betting on tri-chrome in the HCl, Randall; but I'd rather know than guess, so I appreciate your proposed test!

Marc: as for the color of HCl, it just goes to show that there's no substitute for first-hand experience! I've spent 30+ years visiting plating shops but never personally made up an HCl dip. So I've never seen them any color but light amber, but apparently I'm always seeing low grade acid or when there's already iron dissolved in it; it does make sense that HCl should be clear; thanks for disabusing me of an ignorance born of only second-hand knowledge.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
finishing.com
Pine Beach, New Jersey


(2002)

I know, Marc. Right after I clicked on the SUBMIT button, I realized that my response was a little too "literal". We are both, apparently, card-carrying members of the American Satire camp! Secondly, Marc, a plated deposit of chromium metal is composed of neutral chromium atoms, regardless of the solution in which said deposit is plated. Direct current (electrolytic) plating turns the chromium ions that are floating and bouncing around in the tank into "natural" metal; they (the ions-turned-atoms) are neither trivalent nor hexavalent when they bond to a component base-metal. The power supply donates enough electrons to each chromium ion in the bath to balance it's charge and turn it back into "good ol' metal". And thanks for wishing me luck on the TURP. Luck is exactly what I'll need. Haven't done one of these since '96!

Now for the technical stuff. Rather than order the Cr ingots, I opted for an approach which would more accurately duplicate Steve's scenario. This morning I rummaged through the maintenance department until I found a lone, off-brand, chrome-over-steel plated socket. I then exposed this socket to submersion in hydrochloric acid, then neutralized and analyzed the acid afterwards. The results are as follows:

* Mass of socket (M1): 8.65 grams
* Mass of socket after stripping (M2): 8.45 grams
* Total mass lost to stripping process (M1 - M2): 0.2 grams (200 mg)
* Original acid volume: 25 mL
* Submersion time and temperature: 10 min. @ 22.3 °C (~72 F)
* Acid type and appearance: Printed Circuit Grade, 22 Deg. Baume Hydrochloric Acid, concentrated. "Water clear" in appearance.
* Appearance of acid after submersion time: clear yellow-green liquid
* Mass industrial grade sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) to raise sample pH from 0.51 to 6.92: 92.5 grams
* Volume of 1.0 Normal sodium hydroxide solution to raise sample pH from 6.92 to 9.3 (actual = 9.28): 96.7 mL
* Appearance of sample following neutralization: Dark, blue-green liquid with precipitates
* Appearance of filtered sample (filtrate): clear, with very slight olive green hue
* Concentration of hexavalent chromium (Cr6) within filtrate (spectrophotometric analysis): 0.05 milligrams per liter(mg/L)
* Concentration of Cr6, adjusted per dilution factor: 2 mg/L
* Percent (%) Cr6 of total mass lost to stripping process: 1%
* Conclusions:
1. Iron ion leached from base steel during stripping process reduces CrVI to CrIII
2. Steve needs to use milk of magnesia instead of baking soda (no acid mist liberated)

On Monday, I will analyze the prepared sample for TOTAL chromium. Any takers on whether or not CrIII is in there...hmmmm?

And people accuse chemists of having no life! HA!

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

(2002)

N...Name calling?! Oh, you mean "smart alec". Oh, OK, never mind.

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

(2002)

CORRECTION! Upon reviewing my notes, I have observed one volume discrepancy: The original volume of concentrated HCl was 50 mL, not 25 mL, as reported earlier. The dilution ratio would, therefore, be 20:1, not 40:1 as I was calculating when I made the 01/11/02 entry. This would change the adjusted Cr+6 concentration to 1 mg/L, rather than 2 mg/L (or 0.5% of the total metal dissolved, as opposed to 1.0%). All other measurements and values remain constant.

Chow!

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

(2002)

Upon leaving the gym this afternoon, I decided to make the 40 minute trek to Boston to finish my analysis of the afore-prepared sample. The results, along with other observations, are listed as follows:

1. The chemical formula for chromium chloride is CrCl3.6H20. Synonyms (consult your local MSDS sheet) include Chromium (III) Chloride Hexahydrate. The "hexa" only means that 6 molecules of water remained attached to the chromium chloride compound following the evaporation process. The Cl3 indicates that the Cr cation was raised unto it's TRIVALENT state by hydrochloric acid. Not unto it's hexavalent state. As I stated in an earlier entry, hydrochloric acid raises chromium metal only unto it's trivalent state; an active (unstable) oxidizer is required to raise it from it's trivalent unto it's hexavalent state.

2. The results of my total analysis of the prepared HCl stripping solution are as follows: * Of the total 200 mg of metal stripped from the socket, 115 mg (57.5%) were detected as trivalent (III) chromium, 84 mg (42%) were detected as Fe+ iron, 1 mg (0.5%) was detected as hexavalent CrVI chromium. I lay the fruits of my labor at your feet, my dear colleagues, and such with, beg your approval.

Truly,

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

(2002)

BRAVO RANDALL!

You went way beyond the call of duty, and I appreciate your detailed explanation of how chrome plating works..believe it or not.. I learned a lot out of a simple question on how to remove chrome from a motorcycle. And Jon..them thar "weiner dogs" were originally bred for huntin wabbits (shhhhhh, be verwy, verwy, quiet), so your pooch meets with my approval (I'm sure you were losing sleep at night wondering at my opinion). One final question on this chrome stripping thing. I've seen chrome plating peel off over time. If I understand Randall correctly, these peeled off flakes are now a "natural" metal. Would that mean that these flakes would pass a TCLP test? Have a great day guys..I'm off to the "pulling rice" letter (I just can't pass up an opportunity to be a "smart-alec").


Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho

(2002)

"Hydrochloric Acid: Such an effective compound, you can...STRIP YOUR CHROME-PLATED PARTS THIS AFTERNOON...ENTERTAIN GUESTS TONIGHT!" Have a good one, guys.

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

(2002)

Randy,

Good work. I bow my humbled self before you. I may however have just one more entry to this next week. Until then.

Regards,

quirt
Jon Quirt
- Minneapolis, Minnesota


(2002)

Hmmmm...alas..I guess, this thread (like all good things) has come to an end. However..even though the discussion got a little "dogged" at times, I, for one, learned a lot. So I'm not too sure the silly icon is appropriate. Once again, a big thank you to Randy for his efforts..and, I got that cold one on ice for ya bud!


Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho

(2002)

Freeman Newton wanted us to see what he considers the top dog of this letter.

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Photo used with permission of J. Willard for Monty Sloan.


Tom Pullizzi
Falls Township, Pennsylvania

(2002)

Wow what a dazzler this thread has been. Thanks to Freeman for pointing out this one. I feel cheated that I was not a member of this group in time to contribute.

I heard a rumor that the poor b@@@@@d who wanted to refurbish his bike actually sold it and bought a dog.

I have learned a huge amount from this interchange.
1) It does not matter what the subject matter is you can always talk about your dog instead.
2) Do not mess with Randy Fowler.
3) Do not mess with Randy Fowler.
4) Do not mess with Randy Fowler.

Randy Fowler admitted in public that he has a CAT. I think he should be kicked off this site........oh yeah. Didn't he say he went from the gym up to Boston.......ooops. Guess he works out too.
5) Do not mess with Randy Fowler.

Have a great day and thank you all for a lot of smiles I got from these posts.

PS I have got a Pit Bull (American Staffordshire Bull Terrier). She is the sweetest little dog with a beautiful nature. She is the hit of every party she is taken to and she goes to a lot. It ticks me off. She is far more popular than I am. Hrumph

John Holroyd
- Elkhorn, Wisconsin


(2002)

Hey Mr. Holroyd,

Right now Randy Fowler is laughing and shaking and weeping at your entry! I feel so good I could just drop kick Rocky (my CAT) into the living room! Please mess with Randy Fowler; gives me a "spring board"! Perhaps another letter, another time. Thanks!

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

(2002)

Hey Randy,

That one had me chuckling pretty good too! I replied to the Superbowl thread, but I think my note was deemed inappropriate, as it wasn't published. Sigh.. sometimes I'm not the most politically correct guy in the world.


Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho

(2002)

Hey Marc,

As a member of the RNC, political "correctness" (correctness?...HA!) does not define my profile, either! How are the gals in Idaho? This hunter and fisher from the PC "Commonwealth" of MA may just want to make a move! Talk to ya' "late-ah"!

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

(2002)

Ahhh...the gals of Idaho, ya gotta luvem! And.. what's REALLY nice is they understand a mans need to hunt and fish (Idaho's hunting and fishing is surpassed only by Alaska, in my humble, if somewhat biased, opinion).


Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho

(2002)

It kind of makes me long for the days when we chatted about our dogs.


Tom Pullizzi
Falls Township, Pennsylvania

(2002)

Tom,

Might I remind you..that on Jan 9th  (scroll up), that you called for "The end of the fascinating, if somewhat disgusting, repartee about dogs". Dayum...only 10 months and a week or so till 2003! Can we actually keep this one going that long?


Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho

(2002)

Dogs! Did someone say something about dogs? I'll take a piece of that, oh yeah I still have to follow up from my input of Jan 15, 2002, (I'm thinking I'll only be giving Randy a chance to say told you so, but I deserve it.) Yes this thread will live on to at least 2003.

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Jon Quirt
- Minneapolis, Minnesota


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Once a long time ago I was told by a teacher to all ways read the question then answer it, then read the answer to check you have answered the question.

The answer to the question is: You can make hydrochloric acid by adding concentrated sulphuric acid to common salt and bubbling the hydrogen chloride gas into water where it will form hydrochloric acid.

However I would say this is probably as dangerous doing as making mixture of sulphuric and nitric acids adding glycerine pouring the lot into a large volume of water and scooping the explosive nitroglycerine off the bottom.

I tell you to do neither of the two above chemical reactions.

Getting back to the real world if you still read this page (and why not as it has it all comedy, chemistry, dogs and some good advice)

You only say that the parts are poorly chrome plated not when or where they were chrome plated.

Reworking the parts your self is fine in that you can get the chrome off using brick cleaner but then what next?

You will probably be left with an under coat which the only possible option to you could be to polish off with a buff on an electric drill which may then effect the parts, you would probably polish off the edges, drag holes and generally make a mess or at least I would.

If you get through this you will be left with bare part which you will want chrome on once more so you have to go to a finishing house to have done anyway.

Try the job shop listing on the home page and you will find someone who will be able to strip the parts back and re-plate them.

Now that is done time for me to play catch up on the rest of the stuff

Muriatic acid is the old trivial name for hydrochloric acid just as caustic soda is sodium hydroxide (some names take longer to die than others, or it may be the users of the names take longer to die).

The analysis of the stripping was of interest to me but I have had the thought are the results posted as elemental chrome and iron as there may be further reactions, I am away from my table of electrode potentials but the thought which I had is: Is the iron coming off as Fe 2+ and getting oxidised to Fe 3+ by any Cr 6+ which is present which would thus be reduced to Cr 3+. However away from my electrode potentials and atomic weights I can not do the math to see if it is even possible.

The other simple answer which I will try once I finish my holiday is to check our hydrochloric chrome strip for Cr 6+.

As they say leave the best to last and here are the pooch pictures.

(Check with Ted but I think I lead the way here when I first sent in the picture of my two dogs Harvest (Harvey) and Griffin (Griff) asleep on the sofa with me)


Griff on the mat which hides where he ate the carpet.


Harvey with the 'you don't expect me to move look'

For those who might be interested these are cross breed Whippet and Hungarian Vizsla.

From the Vizsla they have their colouration, good noses, and tendency to chew anything and everything from the Whippet they have general build and ability to run like the wind.

They were rescued from the streets of Wales so I have no history from them and they are about 12 months old.

I am biased of course but they are the best dogs in the UK on this site.

I hope this helps the letter run for a couple more weeks as I have had a good laugh reading it and it has got my mind going on the chrome strip side as well.

Hope all of you are well and will mark this as the page to read.


Martin Trigg-Hogarth
surface treatment shop - Stroud, Glos, England


(2002)

Hmmm, so you say that I could make hydrochloric acid by using sulfuric acid and common salt. Can anybody tell me how to make sulfuric acid? Perhaps it involves the use of copper iridium coins and rice...

Bill Mingarell
- York, Pennsylvania


(2005)

I'm a newcomer here but, I was in a classroom with approximately 15 open beakers with Hydrochloric acid in them and, rest assured, it is not that noxious and choking. Secondly, whoever said that baking soda would get rid of the acid, they're technically right. The baking soda, being a base, will neutralize the acid admirably (particularly with the water in there as well). And, as dangerous as dumping leftover stomach acid down the drain sounds, I'm almost positive that the numerous filtering technologies that are used would take it all out. Besides, hydrogen peroxide and bleach are used to clean public water anyway. This brings me to my question though. Can anyone tell me the procedure for making HCl? If not then can someone point me in the right direction? I know it's the combination of Bleach and 35% Hydrogen Peroxide [linked by editor to product info at Amazon] but I don't know how much of either one to use. I would buy the muriatic acid (or whatever you called it) but I need the full acid. Putting water in the acid causes the acid to neutralize a little bit.

Tim Hamilton
- Macomb, Illinois


(2005)

Strong hydrochloric acid is readily available from most chemical suppliers for shipment to any industrial facility, you don't have to make it, Tim. Commercially it's manufactured by the direct combination of hydrogen and chlorine gases, which is something you simply can't do at home. In the lab, as previously mentioned, it can be made from boiling sulfuric acid and table salt. "Vitalized Chemistry" by Dorin [link is to info about the book at Amazon] will show you the lab setup to do this. Good luck.

Your assertion that it is not noxious and choking is incorrect though, and is based on limited data in a specific circumstance. There is a big difference in the rate of evolution of a gas depending on whether the liquid sits stagnant in a beaker vs. being splashed around. Shake hot water in a cocktail shaker set to appreciate this. Don't shake hydrochloric acid in the shaker set; you'll be knocked over by the noxious, choking fumes :-)

Hydrochloric acid differs from stomach acid not only in concentration and volume, but also because of the heavy metals dissolved in it by the stripping reactions we're talking about, which make it a categorically regulated toxic waste.

Hydrochloric acid is not made by mixing bleach, which is a strong alkali (NaOCl plus lots of NaOH) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), but experimenting by mixing bleach with things is very dangerous because of the strong possibility of releasing chlorine gas, so be careful.

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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(2006)

Would you have guessed this thread would advance into 2006? Found it by looking for entries on HCl - as an amateur mineral collector I want to assemble my own field test kit & didn't know what HCl was, nor what a "base" would be ... Very funny & intellectual page: love it! **I think Marc's objection to the proposed used acid going down the drain wasn't necessarily about the acid itself, but the toxic metal byproducts of the stripping that would be in it ** .... As for cutest dog... My daughter's dog is a 6.5 Yorkie who really looks like a silky - I love little dogs now that I know him ... All dogs are cool & cats are cool too, for the dogs to chase, ya know ... I am partial to the short hairs presented here.

Kate Miller
rock collector - Eugene, Oregon


(2007)

Looking For Info on stripping Chrome Of Bike parts, stumbled on this Thread.
I will be using a Pro to strip parts( great info )
Ps it looks like the thread made it to 2007

My Black lab, Dutches (passed away in 03 after 19 years) was THE BEST DOG EVER!

Ray Bernache
- Fairhaven, Massachusetts


(2007)

Hey everybody,
What a wonderful surprise to see that the most popular thread in Finishing history made it all the way to 2007. I'll be opening a new metal finishing facility early next year in Cleveland, Tennessee. If we have a bit of a slow start, at least I know how to make hydrochloric acid which people can spill on their pants so they'll have to buy more.
Hee...hee...hee...
Say hello to Fairhaven, Massachusetts for me. Lovely city and I miss it.

Randy FowlerFowler Industrial Plating, LLC
Cleveland, Tennessee, USA

(2007)

I don't worry about neutralized HCl hydrochloric acid down the drain if done safely and properly. acid + base = salts, example hydrochloric acid + sodium hydroxide (caustic soda) = sodium Chloride (table salt) note acid and base both very strong can burn etc are neutralized to something we eat, now kids, salt is cheap and if your gonna eat it, buy it. your healthcare is not cheap. as far as removing chrome ---as far as I know chromium is a very deadly poison and the sewers go back to our water supplies where we get a drink, wish people would learn this from centuries of diseases and cancer etc we don't teach it or don't care? my advice go to junk yard etc get another bike part and help keep us all healthy,

Richard Butcher
engineer trch - Selma, Oregon


(2007)

You asked a simple question, and instead of just giving you an answer, it seems that the control freaks decided to pass judgment on your intelligence and to proceed to instruct you on the "correctness" of your application. Obviously, some need to pontificate. There is an old maxim: "don't throw your pearls before swine." Any idea is a pearl, and who knows. . . you may in your experiments concock a better way of doing things. It's certainly been done before!

You can easily make dilute HCl by adding table salt to vinegar. The result will be no stronger than the (usually 5%) concentration of acetic acid in the vinegar. Stronger concentrations can be produced simply by a distillation process. Hope you finally have the answer you sought.

Best wishes from Doc

Thomas L [last name deleted for privacy by Editor] Ph.D.
- Graham, Texas


(2007)

Doc, what Steve actually asked was:

"I am trying to strip my motorcycle parts down that have been poorly chrome-plated . . ."

Early responses, including the first, tried to help him with how to strip his motorcycle parts. While your response might help him make hydrochloric acid, it won't help him strip the plating from his motorcycle parts, which is what he says is his actual interest.

A lot of people had a great deal of fun here, and not at Steve's expense either. So I guess readers will decide for themself which postings in this thread "pass judgment" and comprise good examples of a "need to pontificate". Sorry to say, I have to vote for yours.

I wish you more joy in other areas of your life than you give evidence of here. And please forward a pic of your dog :-)

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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(2007)

I'm a hobbyist and restorer of old cars and motorcycles . Lately I dipped parts from the interior of a door in muriatic acid for a short period of time and they came out looking like new ! I think the parts such as window channels and door latches are cad plated , but not sure . My idea is that since the parts are somewhat protected from the elements , they only have a slight surface layer of rust or oxidation . By dipping for a short period of time , the cad plating is not seriously damaged ? As always I rinse the parts with water and as always the part starts to oxidize immediately - a major disappointment , considering how beautiful they looked when pulled out of the dip . I know from experience there's no chance of stopping oxidation after using muriatic acid on bare metal , but in this case the plating looked unphased . Is there a way to wash off the muriatic acid with something other than water . I am assuming the water is starting the oxidation . If the plating is intact is the oxidation just the residue laying on top of the plating ? On a few parts I sprayed clear lacquer over the rinsed plating and it seemed to prevent any further oxidation , however is wasn't as nice and silvery as when pulled out of the muriatic acid dip . Any help would greatly be appreciated ! Skip

Skip Rec
- Los Angeles, California


(2007)

Skip, you are right that hydrochloric acid removes rust very quickly but, in turn, leads to flash rusting. Maybe a dip into or wipe with Naval Jelly [linked by editor to product info at Amazon] will solve the problem. Good luck and please let us know.

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December 21, 2008

Today is December 20th 2008 and while I have no picture of a dog or comments/ suggestions about stripping Chrome I felt compelled to post a note.

I was led here while researching the following on google (blue exhaust cleaning)

Fun thread I hope it stays active for many more years to come.

Feliz Navidad

Johnny Q
- Ocoee, Florida


February 22, 2009

Hello all,

Thank you for having such an exhaustive thread.

I have some silicon bronze deckplates with a old and worn chrome plating. These go on my sailboat, to which I attach cowl vents, or the plate to seal the deck. I was hoping to strip the chrome down to bronze as it is quite good at taking care of itself, and the chrome looks poor.

A friend suggested I buy some HCl or muriatic acid, from a pool supply store, put it in a plastic container of sort. Then put the negative lead of a battery charger [linked by editor to product info at Amazon] in the container, hooking the positive to the thing I want to strip, then pass the plate through the solution. Supposedly it will fizz, turn green (like antifreeze) and whalla! No more chrome.

I didn't see this mentioned in this thread, but I claims to have done it. How does that work?

Thank you for your time!

Aaron Norlund
- Englewood, Florida


February 23, 2009

Hi, Aaron. Removing the chrome (per se) is relatively easy (although hazardous). The HCl will do it almost instantly with no need for electricity. The problem is that 99 percent of a "chrome" finish is nickel, not chrome (see our Chrome Plating FAQ) and you can't easily remove nickel chemically or electrochemically with household products to my knowledge.

You could contact Metalx [a finishing.com supporting advertiser] and see if you can buy some B-9 nickel stripper. If you decide to try to strip the nickel with HCl and electricity, please let us know how it goes.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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March 1, 2009

I got frustrated by the flash rust that would occur after I washed any bare metal down with water. I found the best solution to be a dunk or wipe down with Acetone [linked by editor to product info at Amazon].

Joey Garcia
- East Hanover, New Jersey


February 15, 2010

I usually wipe a bare steel part down with meths to prevent flash rust.

I found this thread looking for tips on chrome removal - I have a small chromed steel pipe from my bikes cooling system which has rusted in places, and wanted a quick way of taking it back to bare steel before painting it black.

For years I've been successfully de-rusting steel parts either in a dilute phosphoric acid dip or when suitable, using electrolysis in a washing soda electrolyte, and was hoping there was a similar solution for stripping chrome, but it looks like I'm best off breaking out the emery paper and elbow grease! never mind!

Anyway haha the thread goes on into 2010! and you guys wondered if it'd last till the end of 2003!

Chris Blaney
- New Milton, Hampshire, England.


March 10, 2010

I came across this thread while looking up muriatic acid. Lots of good advice and many laughs. One thing tho, way back in ought five Tim Hamilton made a remark about pouring water in the acid. I thought that was a major no-no. The weenie dogs were bred for going down holes after Badgers, hence the name. Dachs ("badger") and Hund("dog").

David Henderson
- Reno, Nevada


March 16, 2010

I Googled "removing chrome plating" and it brought me to this forum. Unfortunately, I don't currently have a dog but after reading this forum I do have a headache.

Thanks for the valuable info (take my stuff to a professional) and the many laughs.

woof woof

Robert Banks
- Palm Beach Gardens, Florida


January 3, 2011

WOW, I was surprised this was still goin since 2002...Welcome 2011!!!

I found this searching for a way to remove chrome off motorcycle parts to prep for powder coating.

I'm going to have an un-employed friend try the techniques mentioned as he has the time and the home owners insurance if something goes wrong.

Michael C [last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- San antonio, Texas, USA

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Ed. note: And if something does go wrong, well, we could always use a photo of his guide dog to round out the album :-)



January 4, 2011

Thanks for the info. I was looking for info on removing the chrome plating on the rear door of my skoolie so that I can paint it a different colour. Google sent me here. Thanks.
1/04/2011

Lorna Schinske
- Socorro, New Mexico USA

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January 4, 2011

Hi, Lorna.

Getting adhesion of paint onto chrome is exceptionally difficult. Getting adhesion onto nickel isn't easy, but is a bit better. I have heard from powder coating shops that they have achieved success with a light sandblasting. So, the possible approaches could include:
- just removing the chrome with hydrochloric acid, then using a self-etching primer to try to get adhesion to the nickel, or - removing the chrome and roughening the nickel by sandblasting, then using a self-etching primer. Good luck.

If you try it, please let us know if the paint sticks well enough for you. Thanks.

Regards,

Ted Mooney, finishing.com
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January 5, 2011

I thought I would try the "just removing the chrome with hydrochloric acid, then using a self-etching primer to try to get adhesion to the nickel". There are a few small things that I want to "de-chrome". This is a 1986 BlueBird school bus and the chrome is still in good shape. I just dislike chrome. I will post back as to how it turns out.
Lorna

Lorna Schinske
- Socorro, New Mexico USA

June 24, 2011

After reading all the posts here and going through the annoying nonsense about dogs (I like cats, dogs are not an option IMO especially since my GF has a rat terrier which is the most sinister creature known to man) I decided to take two new stock chromed mufflers to have them sand blasted, and whatever they are using for chrome these days came off quite easily. And this is the reason for my post: there seems to be a difference in the chrome process these days, especially for recently chromed items from California. I understand this thread is about restoration/ removal of chrome, so the existing chrome is likely to be by the traditional (old) method. But wish to point out that with the new methods being used for "chrome" - which seems to be more akin to a polished paint - messing with hazardous chemicals might be a waste of time, if you are dealing with items "plated" using the new method.

Steve Bruce
- Pahrump, Nevada, USA

June 27, 2011

Thanks, Steve.

Actually, "chrome-look paint" has nothing to do with chrome plating except for being somewhat shiny. It must never be called "chrome plating", and if they called it that, they misled you. Imagine an aviation repair facility sending the landing gear of a jetliner out for periodic rechroming, and getting shiny paint instead -- there would be no survivors from the first landing. Please don't let anyone call paint "chrome plating". I hope you didn't invest in "gold coins" from that company :-)

If you are curious, you might find our "Introduction to Chrome Plating" FAQ interesting.

Thanks again for bringing up the topic.

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August 5, 2011

I came across this thread after googling muriatic acid/HCl. my desired application involves a mineral specimen - the specimen is a very nice azurite crystal (azurite is a copper carbonate) that has a thin coating of limestone (calcium carbonate). I wanted to use the HCL to affect the limestone, but am afraid it would also affect the azurite - just trying to see how careful I need to be in not overexposing the specimen to the acid, not knowing if copper carbonate and calcium carbonate would respond equally as quickly to the acid. but then I misread the thread and used HCL to strip my dog, maggie, which is now a hairless border collie. my cats are laughing at maggie and I'm considering dipping them as well. I enjoyed this thread and would appreciate any thoughts about the proposed application for the mineral. peace. penney

Penney File
- Lusby, Maryland, USA

April 28, 2012

Well, now, how about continuing this thread into 2012? While I do have a motorcycle, it's bright green and doesn't need re-chroming. I don't have a dog. I have two cats which, I hate to say, are stealing oxygen from other much more worthy animals that may need it.

What I really need help with is stripping a thin plating finish off of a golf putter. I'm willing to try mixing some vinegar and salt and dipping it in, but it isn't a chrome finish. Any ideas and thoughts about how to remove a plating from a carbon steel putter head?

Shawn Watts
- Casper, Wyoming, USA


June 12, 2012

Dear Sirs,

I currently restore Lambrettas in England and the cheap Indian chrome plating on levers and headlight rims is a major problem.

I have read all your posts in detail and after careful and considered deliberation, much research and hours going through periodic tables and alkali levels I have decided to give up and buy another dog.

Hope this post finds you all well, good luck with the finishing in the future.

Joe McNamara,
Blighty

Joe Mcnamara
- Middlesbrough Cleveland England


September 11, 2012

Q. Google is still sending people here.

So, do I have this correct?:
-muriatic acid will remove chrome
-muriatic acid will not remove the nickel undercoat
-muriatic acid strips the chromium as trivalent chromium not hexavalent
-the stripped part needs to be neutralized in a baking soda bath
-the baking soda solution will also neutralize the muriatic acid
-milk of magnesia (magnesium hydroxide) also will neutralize muriatic acid and is safer than baking soda
-sewer disposal of the muriatic acid is legal after neutralizing in the baking soda solution?

Jake Dyson
- Vancouver, BC, Canada


September 11, 2012

A. Hi Jake; thanks for your patience.

All true except perhaps the last point, and the perhaps-too-rapid scurrying through the neutralization:
- Neutralization should be done slowly, wearing protective equipment, and with diluted solutions -- if done at all (I think it's dangerous for individuals to strip bumpers or wheels). The hydrochloric acid will foam more than you expect even when you expect it to foam more than you expect.
- Commercial establishments (anyone plating for money) cannot do sewer discharge without a special permit. Individuals probably face no significant risk of state or federal intervention as long as nothing goes wrong. Note that I'm from the USA and you're from Canada though.

Regards,

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September 11, 2012

Thanks Ted,
Just for interest, consider this, people use Drano to unclog sinks. Many sinks have chrome clad traps. Drano is sodium hydroxide which is also used to remove chrome. I don't know if an electrical current is absolutely required though.

Reverse current stripping with sodium hydroxide produces hexavalent chromium!

The next time the wife's hair clogs the sink we could be polluting the water supply with cancerous chromium, oops!

Jake Dyson
- Vancouver, BC, Canada



Testing if there is nickel plating under the chrome

November 18, 2016

Q. Hi,

Could you expand on why HCl, hydrochloric acid, would not touch the nickel layer in a decoratively chrome plated part?

Our current situation is that the plating of the decoratively chrome plated brass part is being rubbed off. The brass is exposed in some area. We would like to verify whether the nickel layer was there.

We used muriatic acid / HCl suggested in this post to test a small spot. The area turned green and the brass material underneath is exposed. But we looked up online and both reaction to either to produce chromium chloride (?) and nickel chloride (?) could be green. Is there a conclusive method for testing for the presence of Nickel on a decoratively chrome plated part?

Thank you very much for your help.

Jessie Chu
- City of Industry, California, USA


November 2016

A. Hi Jessie. Hydrochloric acid is not an effective nickel stripper, and it is a commonplace in plating shops to strip the chrome from a decoratively nickel-chrome plated part with HCl. But perhaps I should not have used the phrase "will not touch", as that perhaps somewhat overstates the corrosion resistance of nickel plating.

Apparently you are involved is a contract dispute where your theory is that the plating shop deposited a decorative chrome plating directly on the brass. But if the part once had a decorative look, surely the nickel was there. There are spot tests for nickel (see letter 56531 for starters), but I think if you are trying to pursue a complaint you should have a fresh part cross-sectioned by a professional testing organization and tested so you know what you've got. Good luck.

Regards,

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November 28, 2016

A. Look at the linked letter. Jon Barrows suggested putting a drop of 10% alcoholic dimethylglyoxime, and a drop of 10% ammonia on the part and looking for a pink color. That's what I'd do, too.

dave wichern
Dave Wichern
Consultant - The Bronx, New York


December 6, 2016

A. There is a quick and easy test to see if a brass part has been nickel plated. Nickel is ferromagnetic, but brass and chrome are not. So, if a magnet is attracted to the part, it has been nickel plated. If not, the part has not been nickel plated or the nickel layer is extremely thin.

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