Summary for tantalum coating processes Discussion
Tantalum coating processes for copper are discussed as a way to survive chlorine atmosphere and temperatures up to 700 °C. Scott Dickerson asked whether tantalum can be applied commercially to copper, noting that molten-salt plating was the only method he knew of and asking about production-scale alternatives such as vacuum deposition. The answer says tantalum can indeed be deposited by vacuum methods: it sputters readily, may also be e-beam evaporated, and has been tried on copper. However, the responder reports that adhesion on copper was not very good in their experience. They suggest that an intermediary layer, surface implantation with tantalum, and strong sputter cleaning may be needed. The key caution is that the real issue is not just how to deposit Ta, but whether the finished coating will meet the service requirements, since the Ta/Cu material mismatch may limit coating durability regardless of process.
I want to do tantalum coating on copper substrate. Initially it is on lab scale, once good results comes then for industrial scale.
Need this coating to sustain in Cl2 atmosphere and at temperature up to 700 °C.
Arun Pagare
– India
November 22, 2024
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Q. We’re trying to find out if there is any commercial process for applying tantalum to copper … I know that Ta can only be plated from a molten salt bath … is anybody actually doing this in a production sense? Are there any other processes (vacuum deposition, etc.)?
Thanks,
Scott Dickerson
– Fremont, California, USA
2001
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A. Tantalum can be deposited by vacuum deposition. We haven’t had a great deal of success arcing tantalum, but it sputters easily enough. I would assume that it could easily be e-beam evaporated as well. Some years ago we tried to deposit in on copper. Adhesion wasn’t all that good. It may be necessary to lay down an intermediary layer, or implant the copper surface with tantalum before the deposition. Good sputter cleaning would also be needed.
The larger question is whether or not the vacuum deposited coating will meet your needs. The application is really the key, whether the coating is plated on or vacuum deposited it may not stay on well because of the fundamental differences between Ta and Cu.
Jim Treglio – scwineryreview.com
PVD Consultant & Wine Lover
San Diego, California
A. I’m sure that Ta films can be deposited on Cu by sputtering methods. It all depends on what kind of thickness you want, what the performance requirements of the film is, what the application is and what you’re willing to spend. Also, how many parts and in what timeframe.
There will definitely be some cost associated with developing the coating process once the above things are specified.
If you can tell us a little bit more about your requirements we might be able to help you find someone to work with you.
John Davis
– Berthoud, Colorado, USA
A. On one hand you can try to use a APS (Atmospheric Plasma Spray) or, better, VPS process to deposit Ta coatings. On the other hand, especially if you need thick coatings on flat materials, you can try to apply the explosive cladding.
Christian Warnecke
– Switzerland
2002
A. As indicated in the former answer, APS can deposit Tantalum coating on some substrates. Unfortunately, I am not sure if it can be deposited on Copper substrates.
Another method may concern CS (Cold Spray, or sometimes can be called CGDS-Cold Gas Dynamic Spray). As I know, there are some reports that thick and dense Tantalum coating with almost no oxide can be deposited by CS.
I guess which kind of method to choose is strongly dependent on your potential use. For example, APS and CS can only make relatively “thick” coating while sputtering method can provide quite “thin” film.
Xian-Jin Ning
– Beijing, P.R.China
February 27, 2009
A. High temperature Chemical Vapor Deposition of tantalum works very well on copper. A dense, corrosion resistant layer is obtained with very good adhesion. The copper can be deformed quite a lot without delaminating the tantalum, you can U-bend a 6 mm rod with a 20 mm radius.
It is done on an industrial scale.
Soren Eriksen
– Roskilde, Denmark
October 23, 2010