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pH measurement probe problems & solutions

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January 7, 2021

Q. We intend to measure pH for passivation solution for cadmium plating. The pH range for the solution is very low at pH 0.65-1.3.

May I know how to carry out calibration for the pH meter to measure that low of pH range. Which type of buffer must I purchase and would the reading be accurate? Thank you so much for the assistance.

Eddy Li
- Jakarta Indonesia




January 2021

A. Hi Eddy. We appended your question to a long thread on the subject. The first thing to double-check is whether the technical data sheet for your passivation solution actually says the pH can be 0.65 -- that's pretty low. The second thing would be checking if they actually suggest monitoring/controlling it, rather than something else like titrating for acid concentration.

I thank you for your question because when I googled "low pH buffer solutions", although I found that 1.68 and 2.0 are available, I also learned that there is a very good reason why 4.01, 7, and 10 are the usual standards -- which is that they offer the most buffering capacity. So 4.01 and 7 might be the best standardization buffers for you.

Luck & Regards,

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Previous closely related Q&A's starting in:

1997

Q. I have to measure pH of plating solutions within a wide range of pH with accuracy (+ - 0.05 pH unit); the range of measure is from pH 0.9 (passivations) to pH 8.0. .

I used a lot of pH meters and a lot of probes, but the results are always unsatisfactory: the probes worked well only for a short period of time or the pH measure did not give assurance of the measure.

I would like to know a supplier of pH meters with experience of pH measurement of plating solutions, or the best type of probes to be used.

Can anyone help me ?

Thanks in advance

Francesca Assone
electroplating shop - Torino, Italy


1997

A. Francesca,
Most people have problems with pH meters because they treat them like cars (put gas in it and go)

The best pH probe is a dual junction. Nearly anybody's. Next is a unit that you can change out the liquid frequently such as the one Orion makes. Hach in Colorado makes a unique unit where you click it a couple of times with every use and it replenishes or replaces some of the liquid in a long tube that comes down and J hooks around the bulb.

Average longevity for a good quality probe is about one year. If it is in nasty solutions, at may be a few months.

To get good reliable readings, calibrate with the proper standard for the pH you are measuring, such as a 1 for the low reading. Anything below a pH of 1 is going to be suspect. Repeatability will be low.
Take care of the probe. Store it in a pH 4 or 7 solution. DI water is not good for storage, tap water is better. Leave the probe in the solution only long enough to get a stable reading, the remove it and rinse it. One place that I worked, the floor always had bad readings for the nickel tank. Turned out that they were leaving the probe in the nickel solution for hours. Osmosis allowed nickel ions to back up thru the frit and contaminate the reference solution which gave erroneous mV and made the unit worthless.
Orion has an excellent reference book "handbook of electrode technology" that I would strongly recommend that you buy.

I hope that you are not trying to use hand held meters. They just do not cut it for .05 reliability.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida


1997

A. Francesca, our preferred pH electrode is the Ross Sure-Flow model sold by Orion. It's a combination "sleeve-type" pH electrode that can be flushed by depressing the top, in the same way a person "clicks" a ball-point pen. We use them in our environmental, oil, and coatings laboratories for testing wastewater, industrial wastes, and oily sludges. They are long-lived, and we consider them worth the premium price.

Michael W. Woods
technical service lab


1997

A. Dear Franca,

I have had no luck at all with combination electrodes, although I have heard many people say that they work.

I would use a calomel or silver/silver chloride reference electrode like Fisher catalog no. 13-620-51 or 13-620-53, and use it with Fisher 13-620-284, glass body pH electrode. Hook them up to a pH meter good to 0.05 units (0.01 is better); as you know these are not cheap in price.

Keep in 4 or 7 buffer, leave in the solution only long enough to stabilize temperature (better to cool the sample to room temperature) and take reading. Uncover the filling hole only when taking a reading, and use good lab practice otherwise, which is a problem, unless the operator has been well trained, or has a good background in chemistry.

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Tom Pullizzi
Falls Township, Pennsylvania 


1997

A. Now I wonder what you would need 0.05 accuracy in pH measurement in plating solutions

I would titrate any plating solution, below a pH of 2.5, with NaOH, and control it that way.

I don't know of any solution in the 2.5 to 8.0 range that can't run within 0.1 or 0.2 pH units. Can you tell us what solutions you want to control by pH measurement?

regards,

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Tom Pullizzi
Falls Township, Pennsylvania


1997

Q. To Tom Pullizzi

The biggest problem is related to pH of black passivation of Zn-Fe The pH specification for this bath is 0.85 - 0.95

We saw variations of shade and brightness related to variations of 0.1 pH unit and we need to fix them.

Regards

Francesca Assone
electroplating shop - Torino, Italy


1997

A. Hi,

If your pH is fluctuating, you are dragging in too much of some processing solution. You have to find how this is happening and solve that problem. Is the pH dropping or rising, or moving around?

I spoke to the Technical Director at Gumm Chemical. It is difficult to use pH to control the bath.

Whose chemicals are you using? What additives do you use to replenish the bath?

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Tom Pullizzi
Falls Township, Pennsylvania


1997

Q. To Tom Pullizzi

Dear Tom,

1) we have an increase of pH related to drag-in (I think)

2) the passivation bath is supplied by Schloetter and the composition is proprietary. We perform the pH corrections with Schloetter additives.

Francesca Assone
electroplating shop - Torino, Italy



How Does a pH Sensor Work?

2001

Q. Hi,

I need some information on how the pH sensor works, how reaction is made inside the sensor so an output potential is obtained.

It is very important for me to have this information as I need it for my school assignment on pH sensor

Thanks

Michael Farrugia
- Malta



August 30, 2008

Q. I am urgently looking for the information about the operation and principles of the sensors to measure pH.

Siziwe Mtati
Student - South Africa


January 17, 2010

A. In the process world, pH is an important parameter to be measured and controlled.

The pH of a solution indicates how acidic or basic (alkaline) it is. The pH term translates the values of the hydrogen ion concentration - which ordinarily ranges between about 1 and 10 x -14 gram-equivalents per litre - into numbers between 0 and 14.

On the pH scale a very acidic solution has a low pH value such as 0, 1, or 2 (which corresponds to a large concentration of hydrogen ions; 10 x 0, 10 x -1, or 10 x -2 gram-equivalents per litre) while a very basic solution has a high pH value, such as 12, 13, or 14 which corresponds to a small number of hydrogen ions (10 x -12, 10 x -13, or 10 x -14 gram-equivalents per litre). A neutral solution such as water has a pH of approximately 7.

A pH measurement loop is made up of three components, the pH sensor, which includes a measuring electrode, a reference electrode, and a temperature sensor; a preamplifier; and an analyser or transmitter.A pH measurement loop is essentially a battery where the positive terminal is the measuring electrode and the negative terminal is the reference electrode. The measuring electrode, which is sensitive to the hydrogen ion, develops a potential (voltage) directly related to the hydrogen ion concentration of the solution. The reference electrode provides a stable potential against which the measuring electrode can be compared. 

Typical pH sensor

When immersed in the solution, the reference electrode potential does not change with the changing hydrogen ion concentration.A solution in the reference electrode also makes contact with the sample solution and the measuring electrode through a junction, completing the circuit. Output of the measuring electrode changes with temperature (even though the process remains at a constant pH),so a temperature sensor is necessary to correct for this change in output. This is done in the analyser or transmitter software.

The pH sensor components are usually combined into one device called a combination pH electrode. The measuring electrode is usually glass and quite fragile. Recent developments have replaced the glass with more durable solid-state sensors. The preamplifier is a signal-conditioning device. It takes the high-impedance pH electrode signal and changes it into a low impedance signal which the analyser or transmitter can accept. The preamplifier also strengthens and stabilizes the signal, making it less susceptible to electrical noise. 

The sensor's electrical signal is then displayed. This is commonly done in a 120/240 V ac-powered analyser or in a 24 V dc loop-powered transmitter. Additionally, the analyser or transmitter has a man machine interface for calibrating the sensor and configuring outputs and alarms, if pH control is being done.

Keep in mind, application requirements should be carefully considered when choosing a pH electrode. Accurate pH measurement and the resulting precise control that it can allow, can go a long way toward process optimisation and result in increased product quality and consistency. Accurate, stable pH measurement also controls and often lowers chemical usage, minimising system maintenance and expense.

Keeping the system up and running.

A system's pH electrodes require periodic maintenance to clean and calibrate them. The length of time between cleaning and calibration depends on process conditions and the user's accuracy and stability expectations. Overtime, electrical properties of the measuring and reference electrode change. Calibration in known-value pH solutions called buffers will correct for some of these changes. Cleaning of the measuring sensor and reference junction will also help. However, just as batteries have a limited life, a pH electrode's lifetime is also finite. Even in the "friendliest" environments, pH electrodes have to be replaced eventually.

From an article by Tom Griffiths, Honeywell

pH measurement

A very important measurement in many liquid chemical processes (industrial, pharmaceutical, manufacturing, food production, etc.) is that of pH: the measurement of hydrogen ion concentration in a liquid solution. A solution with a low pH value is called an "acid,"while one with a high pH is called a "caustic." The common pH scale extends from 0 (strong acid) to 14 (strong caustic), with 7 in the middle representing pure water (neutral): 

pH is defined as follows: the lower-case letter "p" in pH stands for the negative common (base ten) logarithm, while the upper-case letter "H" stands for the element hydrogen. Thus, pH is a logarithmic measurement of the number of moles of hydrogen ions (H+) per litre of solution. Incidentally, the "p" prefix is also used with other types of chemical measurements where a logarithmic scale is desired, pCO2 (Carbon Dioxide) and pO2 (Oxygen) being two such examples. 

The logarithmic pH scale works like this: a solution with 10-12 moles of H+ ions per liter has a pH of 12; a solution with 10-3 moles of H+ions per liter has a pH of 3. While very uncommon, there is such a thing as an acid with a pH measurement below 0 and a caustic with a pH above 14. Such solutions, understandably, are quite concentrated and extremely reactive. 

While pH can be measured by color changes in certain chemical powders(the "litmus strip" being a familiar example from high school chemistry classes), continuous process monitoring and control of pH requires amore sophisticated approach. The most common approach is the use of a specially-prepared electrode designed to allow hydrogen ions in the solution to migrate through a selective barrier, producing a measurable potential (voltage) difference proportional to the solution's pH.

The design and operational theory of pH electrodes is a very complex subject, explored only briefly here. What is important to understand is that these two electrodes generate a voltage directly proportional to the pH of the solution. At a pH of 7 (neutral), the electrodes will produce0 volts between them. At a low pH (acid) a voltage will be developed of one polarity, and at a high pH (caustic) a voltage will be developed of the opposite polarity.

An unfortunate design constraint of pH electrodes is that one of them(called the measurement electrode) must be constructed of special glass to create the ion-selective barrier needed to screen out hydrogen ions from all the other ions floating around in the solution. This glass is chemically doped with lithium ions, which is what makes it react electrochemically to hydrogen ions. Of course, glass is not exactly what you would call a "conductor;" rather, it is an extremely good insulator.This presents a major problem if our intent is to measure voltage between the two electrodes. The circuit path from one electrode contact, through the glass barrier, through the solution, to the other electrode, and back through the other electrode's contact, is one of extremely high resistance. 

The other electrode (called the reference electrode) is made from a chemical solution of neutral (7) pH buffer solution (usually potassium chloride) allowed to exchange ions with the process solution through a porous separator, forming a relatively low resistance connection to the test liquid. At first, one might be inclined to ask: why not just dip a metal wire into the solution to get an electrical connection to the liquid? The reason this will not work is because metals tend to be highly reactive in ionic solutions and can produce a significant voltage across the interface of metal-to-liquid contact. The use of a wet chemical interface with the measured solution is necessary to avoid creating such a voltage, which of course would be falsely interpreted by any measuring device as being indicative of pH. Here is an illustration of the measurement electrode's construction.Note the thin, lithium-doped glass membrane across which the pH voltage is generated: 

Here is an illustration of the reference electrode's construction. The porous junction shown at the bottom of the electrode is where the potassium chloride buffer and process liquid interface with each other: 

The measurement electrode's purpose is to generate the voltage used to measure the solution's pH. This voltage appears across the thickness of the glass, placing the silver wire on one side of the voltage and the liquid solution on the other. The reference electrode's purpose is to provide the stable, zero-voltage connection to the liquid solution so that a complete circuit can be made to measure the glass electrode's voltage. While the reference electrode's connection to the test liquid may only be a few kilo-ohms, the glass electrode's resistance may range from ten to nine hundred mega-ohms, depending on electrode design! Being that any current in this circuit must travel through both electrodes' resistances (and the resistance presented by the test liquid itself), these resistances are in series with each other and therefore add to make an even greater total.

An ordinary analog or even digital voltmeter has much too low of an internal resistance to measure voltage in such a high-resistance circuit.The equivalent circuit diagram of a typical pH probe circuit illustrates the problem:

Even a very small circuit current traveling through the high resistances of each component in the circuit (especially the measurement electrode's glass membrane), will produce relatively substantial voltage drops across those resistances, seriously reducing the voltage seen by the meter. Making matters worse is the fact that the voltage differential generated by the measurement electrode is very small, in the millivolt range (ideally 59.16 millivolts per pH unit at room temperature). The meter used for this task must be very sensitive and have an extremely high input resistance.

The most common solution to this measurement problem is to use an amplified meter with an extremely high internal resistance to measure the electrode voltage, so as to draw as little current through the circuit as possible. With modern semiconductor components, a voltmeter with an input resistance of up to 1017 O can be built with little difficulty.

Another approach, seldom seen in contemporary use, is to use a potentiometric "null-balance" voltage measurement setup to measure this voltage without drawing any current from the circuit under test.If a technician desired to check the voltage output between a pair of pH electrodes, this would probably be the most practical means of doing so using only standard benchtop metering equipment:

As usual, the precision voltage supply would be adjusted by the technician until the null detector registered zero, then the voltmeter connected in parallel with the supply would be viewed to obtain a voltage reading. With the detector "nulled" (registering exactly zero),there should be zero current in the pH electrode circuit, and therefore no voltage dropped across the resistances of either electrode, giving the real electrode voltage at the voltmeter terminals.

 Wiring requirements for pH electrodes tend to be even more severe than thermocouple wiring, demanding very clean connections and short distances of wire (10 yards or less, even with gold-plated contacts and shielded cable) for accurate and reliable measurement.As with thermocouples, however, the disadvantages of electrode pH measurement are offset by the advantages: good accuracy and relative technical simplicity.

Few instrumentation technologies inspire the awe and mystique commanded by pH measurement, because it is so widely misunderstood and difficult to troubleshoot. Without elaborating on the exact chemistry of pH measurement, a few words of wisdom can be given here about pH measurement systems: 

All pH electrodes have a finite life, and that lifespan depends greatly on the type and severity of service. In some applications, a pH electrode life of one month may be considered long, and in other applications the same electrode(s) may be expected to last for over a year. 

Because the glass (measurement) electrode is responsible for generating the pH-proportional voltage, it is the one to be considered suspect if the measurement system fails to generate sufficient voltage change for a given change in pH (approximately 59 millivolts per pH unit), or fails to respond quickly enough to a fast change in test liquid pH.

 If a pH measurement system "drifts," creating offset errors, the problem likely lies with the reference electrode, which is supposed to provide a zero-voltage connection with the measured solution.Because pH measurement is a logarithmic representation of ion concentration, there is an incredible range of process conditions represented in the seemingly simple 0-14 pH scale. Also, due to the non-linear nature of the logarithmic scale, a change of 1 pH at the top end (say, from 12 to 13 pH) does not represent the same quantity of chemical activity change as a change of 1 pH at the bottom end (say,from 2 to 3 pH). Control system engineers and technicians must be aware of this dynamic if there is to be any hope of controlling process pH at a stable value.

The following conditions are hazardous to measurement (glass) electrodes: high temperatures, extreme pH levels (either acidic or alkaline), high ionic concentration in the liquid, abrasion, hydrofluoric acid in the liquid (HF acid dissolves glass!), and any kind of material coating on the surface of the glass.

Temperature changes in the measured liquid affect both the response of the measurement electrode to a given pH level (ideally at 59 mV per pH unit), and the actual pH of the liquid. Temperature measurement devices can be inserted into the liquid, and the signals from those devices used to compensate for the effect of temperature on pH measurement, but this will only compensate for the measurement electrode's mV/pH response, not the actual pH change of the process liquid!

Advances are still being made in the field of pH measurement, some of which hold great promise for overcoming traditional limitations of pH electrodes. One such technology uses a device called a field-effect transistor to electrostatically measure the voltage produced by a ion-permeable membrane rather than measure the voltage with an actual voltmeter circuit. While this technology harbors limitations of its own, it is at least a pioneering concept, and may prove more practical at a later date. 

REVIEW:pH is a representation of hydrogen ion activity in a liquid. It is the negative logarithm of the amount of hydrogen ions (in moles) per liter of liquid. Thus: 10-11 moles of hydrogen ions in 1 liter of liquid= 11 pH. 10-5.3 moles of hydrogen ions in 1 liter of liquid = 5.3 pH.

The basic pH scale extends from 0 (strong acid) to 7 (neutral, pure water) to 14 (strong caustic). Chemical solutions with pH levels below zero and above 14 are possible, but rare.

pH can be measured by measuring the voltage produced between two special electrodes immersed in the liquid solution.

One electrode, made of a special glass, is called the measurement electrode. It's job it to generate a small voltage proportional to pH(ideally 59.16 mV per pH unit).

The other electrode (called the reference electrode) uses a porous junction between the measured liquid and a stable, neutral pH buffer solution (usually potassium chloride) to create a zero-voltage electrical connection to the liquid. This provides a point of continuity for a complete circuit so that the voltage produced across the thickness of the glass in the measurement electrode can be measured by an external voltmeter.

The extremely high resistance of the measurement electrode's glass membrane mandates the use of a voltmeter with extremely high internal resistance, or a null-balance voltmeter, to measure the voltage. 

Aalok Bansal
- New Delhi, India

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Determining pH of concentrated acetic acid

November 24, 2009

In my work, am dealing with highly concentrated acetic acid solution (90%).

I could not measure reducible pH value by the pH glass electrode. What I am sure about is that the pH is negative.

Is there any suggested good way to know the pH of such solution?

Regards

Saud Al Subai
- U.K.


simultaneous November 26, 2009

pH is a logarithmic measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions in weak solutions, any attempt to measure the pH of an acetic acid solution at 90% is a waste of time.

Brian Terry
Aerospace - Yeovil, Somerset, UK


November 26, 2009

Saud

pH is a logarithmic scale and is practically meaningless at the extremes.

pH lower than about 2 or higher than 12 require specialised electrodes and normally unavailable buffer standards. I am not convinced that negative pH is a viable concept.

At high concentrations of acid or alkali, a simple titration is by far the easiest way to measure concentration.

geoff smith
Geoff Smith
Hampshire, England


December 2, 2009

A. Sir:

Acetic acid is a "weak" organic acid with a dissociation constant of 1.76 x 10-5 at 25 °C. A 90% (W/W) solution of acetic acid is 15.72 Molar. Using this information the calculated pH of the solution is 1.78. This would be a typical calculation problem for college freshmen chemistry students. In real-life this result has little application.

Concentrated strong acids which are completely dissociated (which is the case) can have calculated pH's which are negative.

Regards,

Dr. Thomas H. Cook
Galvanizing Consultant - Hot Springs, South Dakota, USA


December 2, 2009

A. Let me try to summarize what has been said and add some to it.
A cheap pH meter will be so far off that the results would be meaningless. A good pH meter can get accurate pH readings using the proper "buffers". 1 normal HCl has a pH of 1. pH buffers for 2 and 3 are available from scientific supply houses. Use of buffers has to span the range of the pH being measured as closely as possible. A 7 buffer is highly inappropriate, but is all that is available on many meters.
Even with a good reading, pH is worthless for most (but not all) uses. This is because it is logarithmic so a very very tiny pH change is a massive change in concentration. Second, pH is only measuring free or disassociated acid and as you saw from a previous post, that amount is less than 1%, so it is a bad indicator of concentration.
The good news is that a very simple and accurate titration can be performed by most people with an hour or so of training.

James Watts
- Navarre, Florida

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