Chem Film Fails Humidity Test: Critical Troubleshooting

Summary for chem film fails humidity test Discussion

Chem film fails humidity test is the core issue, but the thread does not identify a defect in MIL-DTL-5541 itself. Onder Onal asked whether MIL-DTL-5541 Type II trivalent chromium Class 3 clear finish is not holding up and whether a harder finish like anodize is needed. Ron suggested the spec is silent on the cause and said there are too many unknowns to diagnose the failure: whether this is a new or long-running problem, whether it affects all parts or only some, whether the issue is limited to one part style, and whether the work is done in-house or by a supplier. He also raised the possibility that parts may have been missed and not chem-filmed at all, and asked what evidence shows the parts were actually processed to spec. The practical takeaway is that the humidity failure cannot be explained from the information given, and verification of processing and test evidence is the first step before changing to anodize.

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MIL-DTL-5541
[⇦ this spec on DLA]
specifies a chromate conversion coating for aluminum. In the USA, the slang “chem film” is often used as a synonym. Two proprietary trade names for the process, “Alodine” and “Iridite” are so common that people often use them generically to refer to the process.

Q. Have a finishing problem on a following material after 10 day 95% humidity test.

Material: .090 thk. AL ALLOY 5052 H32 PER AMSQQA250
Finish: Chem film per MIL-DTL-5541
[⇦ this spec on DLA]
TYPE II (Trivalent Chromium) CLASS 3 Color Clear.

My question is why the finishing is not holding up, or do I need to use harder finish like Anodize

Help !!

Onder Onal
– Ronkonkoma New York
December 29, 2022

A. Hi Onder.
MIL-DTL-5541
[⇦ this spec on DLA]
requires 168 hours of ASTM B117 salt spray testing and specifies how to determine whether the sample passed or failed. You are doing a 10-day humidity test instead of the 7-day salt spray test, and my guess is that that they should pass, but what is your pass/fail criteria since MIL-DTL-5541
[⇦ this spec on DLA]
is silent on that?

There is a lot you haven’t told us yet, like whether this is a new problem or a long-running one, whether it affects all parts or just a particular part, whether it affects all of that style part or just a small percentage, and whether you are doing the processing in house or buying the processing service. If you are buying the finishing service, have you considered the possibility that the parts were missed and not chem-filmed? What test or evidence do you have that they were processed per the spec?
Luck & Regards,

ted_yosem
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
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