Wastewater treatment question: Cyanide destruction
Q. Dear Metal Finishing team,
Our labs will be dealing with cyanides after Christmas for small scale stripping and plating baths and I have to write a security protocol to make sure that people know what to do if there is any accident with cyanide solutions.
I came up with a scenario where someone would spill a solution of cyanide into the sink drain. What do I do to neutralize cyanides?
As far as I know, you can neutralize cyanide with a Sodium Hypochlorite solution (Bleach) under basic conditions (pH = 9-11) which will oxidize cyanides (CN-) ions into cyanates (CNO-) ions. However cyanate is also toxic (not as much, but still), but I read that you can transform them into NH3 and CO2 by adding a strong inorganic acid to cyanates ( bringing to pH =2). However, my concern is that I'm afraid that by adding acid to the solution, the cyanate will be transformed back into cyanides and will produce HCN (something that we don't really want to happen). Are my concerns right?
Thanks for your help,Daniel Picard, Chemist
Industrial Materials Institute - National Research Council of Canada - Boucherville, Quebec, Canada
A. You are correct about the first step: adding bleach at a pH of greater than 10 will oxidize the cyanide to cyanate within just a few minutes. Although if the spill has a lot of cyanide (if it's a stripper rather than a rinse), you probably should dilute it along the way. A very easy test tool for the first treatment step is potassium iodide starch paper. As long as it turns dark blue there is excess bleach present, which means the amenable cyanide has been destroyed if the pH was right.
Once the cyanide has been converted to cyanate this way, it will not be reconverted to cyanide.
The chemistry behind your second step is only partially correct, however. First, I don't think you need to reduce the pH to anywhere near 2.0 -- more like 7.0-8.0 should be adequate. Second, you need to add a lot more bleach to complete the oxidation. This reaction is much slower, and you should allow at least an hour, even for treatment of dilute wastes.
I've been in the waste treatment industry from the time when single-stage cyanide treatment was acceptable. Although I'm not personally aware of any cases where acid was added to cyanide-bearing waste before it was inadequately chlorinated, it has almost surely happened, and I certainly share your concern about the inherent danger in prescribing a procedure that has the potential to go so tragically wrong.
So be careful that have a reliable mixing mechanism and the cyanide waste is not somehow stratified away from the bleach.
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Brick, New Jersey
A. Only one point to add. In my army days, we were taught that immediate first aid for cyanide poisoning was administration of amyl nitrite inhalant. Unfortunately, these can be hard to obtain.
James Totter, CEF|
- Tallahassee, Florida
A. In addition to the amyl nitrite, I would be sure that my local emergency room has a cyanide antidote kit. We actually have had one prescribed to us and keep it in our plating office to be sent to the hospital with emergency personnel. Many hospitals do not have a kit readily available so the best way is to have it on hand. Your company physician could help with this. BillWilliam F. Morgan
- Saratoga Springs, N.Y. USA
A. I currently operate a cyanide based plating process with a heavy emphasis on safety. If you have a potential to generate HCN Gas you need detectors (visual and audio). Current advice is to have at hand Drager Tubes, Oxygen cylinders and related breathing apparatus rather than amyl nitrite capsules. Intravenous antidote kit for paramedics when they arrive is also advisable.Sean O Reilly
A. Thanks Sean, but American readers should remember that U.K. medical opinion may influence, but doesn't decide, U.S. law :-)
Shops will be fined by OSHA if they don't have the amyl nitrite capsules (which are the abusable drug commonly known as "poppers", so sometimes troublesome to find legitimately).
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If you do acquire them, I've heard that a good way to manage them is to keep them behind a "Break Glass" box like sometimes used for fire alarms.
At one time Eli Lilly offered a "cyanide antidote kit" which had the capsules, the intravenous solutions, and everything conveniently packaged. I understand that the kit is now known as the "Pasadena cyanide antidote kit". Your poison control center, emergency management response team, or anti-terrorism response team will know what you are talking about if your local pharmacist gives you a blank stare.
Ted Mooney, P.E. RET
Brick, New Jersey
A. I've one other thing to add.
If someone has passed out from cyanide gas, then don't give them the "kiss of life" or you too could be poisoned. There is a method for resuscitation, and I've seen it described in The Canning Handbook, I'd take it that other cyanide solution suppliers would give this information also.
university - Glasgow, Scotland
Ed. note: Please note that the above entries are somewhat old, and check the current status of regulations in your area before proceeding.
Today, many companies are very careful of how to handle or store liquid for disposal, that contains "Cyanide". However, as mentioned before by Daniel Picard, and Ted Mooney, I will repeat it too in my post.
If you want to neutralize acid liquid with caustic liquid, first thing, a person takes a sample from the caustic tank, and use a kit that test for Cyanide. The kit stated that pH must be neutral, so, your first step is to neutralize your sample with acid, until you reach a neutral level. Note, Cyanide is released when the pH is low, so, know what you are doing in term of safety.
Use your Cyanide kit to test for Cyanide. If there is, let say 1 ppm or higher, than you want to find out how much it is needed to neutralize Cyanide.
Add drops of Sodium Hypochlorite (bleach), few drops, and check again. Find out how much you added. Use your potassium iodide (starch paper) as Ted Mooney said.
When you know how much it takes to add bleach, than use that amount to neutralize your caustic in the tank.
After neutralizing is complete, you will be able to neutralize your acid/caustic for disposal..
- Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
July 13, 2011
How is cyanide disposed?Nicholas K
student - Kenya
July 13, 2011
C'mon now cousin Nicholas.
A good deal of information in response to that issue was already posted on this page. Blowing it off and posting a 4-word question, isn't the way to do your science homework :-)
Please do yourself and your teachers proud by saying: "I understood your explanation that cyanide wastes can be disposed of by ..., but what I don't understand yet is ..." :-)
2-step Chemical Treatment of Cyanide Waste vs. Thermal HydrolysisJuly 20, 2012
Q. I am to get quotes for a "turnkey" system to destruct cyanide. My search for information suggests the 2-step process: Cyanide to Cyanate using pH10 or higher and ORP sensors (+) 250 mV for around 15-30 minutes with mixing.
Second takes 8.5-9 pH since alkali is lower and NaOH can control the pH. The oxidant is added till ORP reads @(+) 300 mV. However, one website claims the use of Thermal Hydrolysis systems. Is anyone familiar with this?
electronics - Pelzer, South Carolina, USA
A. Thermal hydrolysis is an effective method for cyanide destruction. However, the by-products are formaldehyde and ammonia which also have potential disposal problems.Lyle Kirman
water treatment systems - Cleveland, Ohio
I thought longer residence times at high temps would kill both of the byproducts that you mentioned. Am I wrong?
- Navarre, Florida
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I don't think the temperatures are high enough to destroy ammonia or oxidizing enough to convert formaldehyde to formate, but I'm not sure about this. Conversion of formaldehyde to formate is a relatively simple reaction with peroxide but ammonia can be a problem if the discharge permit has a limit for it.
- Cleveland, Ohio USA
July 30, 2012
Q. Sounds like even at 80k for a small Thermal Hydrolysis system it just creates different problems to replace the cyanide problem. With low quantities of waste (200 gallons/ month) and having to get permits from DHEC and waste water treatment center approval, paying for consultants, getting drawings approved by PE in the field, getting a certified outside lab to prove your process, having a state certified employee working under our licensed waste facility coordinator, running a process with potential deadly risk all to avoid paying @350/50 gallon drum. Unless I'm being told an exaggerated version of what needs to be done, why would any facility process cyanide waste? Sorry for the rant but too much paperwork to make money.James Davis [returning]
- Pelzer, South Carolina
A. While there is a great amount of paperwork with plating and the whole world knows that you use cyanide are good reasons to avoid it if at all possible.
Some of what the prior reply listed is for a certified waste treatment facility. There used to be ways around this classification. Check with the state first and then the EPA region and a good consultant when you get answers that do not seem correct.
- Navarre, Florida