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316 Stainless Steel is pitting and rusting
in major aquarium
June 8, 2009
We've suffered a great deal here at the Shedd Aquarium as to why
316 SS is degrading submerged in artificial ocean water and
above/near the ocean environment.
I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.
Non-contaminated, out-of-box welding materials, certified steel, and
commonly purchased 316 SS accessories are pitted and rusting.
The Shedd Aquarium ozonates their water to reduce bacteria. Could
this be the source of their problem?
Matthew McClay
- Chicago, IL

June 8, 2009
We've recently upgraded the Shedd Aquarium in Chicago and are
battling corrosion of 316 Stainless steel. The steel has been exposed
for a few months now, first to 75 degree salt water for a week (to
help dissolve the "Instant Ocean" in the newly rennovated tanks) and
then the temperature was dropped to 54 degrees for the animals.
I have read the posting 7117 on the
corrosion of 316SS in the RO plant in Saudi Arabia, and can empathize
with the failing properties of this highly regarded metal.
1. First the welds began to corrode under water and we had a
diver/welder inspect and repair any pinholes that he found. He used
the proper 316 SS welding electrode and is very experienced with
working with on Navy vessels successfully. Those welds were then
cleaned mechanically with un-contaminated wire brushes.
2. A "scum-line" began to develop at all SS tube rails where they
meet the water line. The aquarium was able to lower the water a foot
and we had finishing company employed to clean and passivate the ares
that were affected.
3. Finally and most recently, many more areas are subject to pitting
and corrosion near the water and the welds underwater are staining
again. I choose to use the word staining ILO "rusting" because I feel
it is too generic for our problem. The pin holes that are excreting
the brown staining can be effectively cleaned with a Scotch Brite pad
and rinsed clean.
Given the nature of this problem and the fact that my company does
not wish to maintain this forever, can someone accurately identify
the cause of and answer our problem? Did we use the correct material
of SS 316?
Matt M.
Contractor - Chicago, IL
June 10, 2009
This might sound to simple but why not try some form of cathodic
protection. Install some sacrificial anodes and introduce a slight
current into the suffering parts. They use this form of protection on
boats, piers, oil pipelines and a host of other things. The current
is minimal and your fish probably won't even notice it or care. The
down side is that the anodes have to be replaced every few years but
I bet they would be a lot cheaper than what you are experiencing now.
Talk to some folks in the marine industry, they have been doing that
since the 1800s. As said, cathodic protection has been used in the
oil industry for years as well and there are probably thousands of
consultants and contractors there that could take one look and fix
you right up. ;o)
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Rod Henrickson
gunsmith
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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First of three simultaneous responses -- June 12, 2009
Matt,
Your entire post already answered the question that you put right at
the end. You have clearly found that you didn't use the right
material.
316 is pretty ordinary material in a chloride-bearing environment,
and the need for resistance to salt water was one of many driving
forces behind the development of the family of duplex stainlesses
(starting with 2205 but now with a wide range of variations to suit a
wide range of environments) and the family of fully ferritic
nickel-free stainlesses (such as 430 and 434, the latter being
notably good in chloride environments).
OK, someone is likely to point out that you should have used 316L to
prevent weld decay, but that would have had no effect on the rest of
the corrosion that you're seeing. It's a matter of using the right
material for the application in the first place.
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Bill Reynolds
consultant metallurgist
Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
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Second of three simultaneous responses -- June 12, 2009
If the problem areas are at or near welds, then the cause us
likely carbide precipitation which resulted from the high
temperatures of welding. This phenomenon will definitely reduce
corrosion resistance.
To avoid this problem, type 316L (L=low carbon) must be used. There
is no treatment which will resolve the problem, since a metallurgical
change has taken place, although passivation in situ may help.
All over passivation before the SS was put in service would have been
better of course.
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Jeffrey Holmes,
CEF
- Spartanburg, SC, USA
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Third of three simultaneous responses -- June 13, 2009
Dear Matt,
Yes, unfortunately, you have a problem forever with this SS . And
sorry, cathodic protection wont help you in this application.
From your description,I understand, pitting corrosion has already
started, and their is very little know that can stop started
pitting.
It is normal that SS 316 is rusting in your application - no rust
would have been abnormal. The only way to prevent/avoid corrosion in
"seawater" , is by electropolishing and/or using a better
alloy.
SS + marine application = passivating by electropolishing if you want
to avoid corrosion problems.
Kind regards,
Marc.
Marc Quaghebeur
- Diksmuide, Belgium, Europe
July 3, 2009
There are some new nanotechnologies that could help with your
problems of corrosion
You can try to paint with hydrophobic nanoparticles
look at the lotus effect
September 18, 2009
I agree with Matt,
I have electropolished a lot of 316 s/s products for the marine
industry ranging from ocean research, scuba, salt water pool heating
hardware, and fasteners. Some are still in use for many many years
with no signs of corroding or failing. While I cannot attest to every
combination of situations that exist. Electropolishing 316 in marine
applications DOES work.
Cliff Kusch
- North Vancouver, BC, Canada
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